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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:38 pm
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 3, 2024, 12:31 am
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According to the Red Ideologies Telegram forum, Hitler was
against Western Civillization
Telegram's channel link :
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 3, 2024, 2:45 am
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Seems Hitler did not want to preserve a population, he agreed
with great population replacement if it didn't suit his goals
--- Quote ---
> This matter too leaves me completely cold. If the German
people are not prepared to devote themselves to their
self-preservation, so be it. Then they should disappear - Adolf
Hitler
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Adolf Hitler Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941- 1944: Die
Aufzeichnungen Heinrich Heims, ed. Werner Jochmanp. 239 (dated
27 Jan. 1942) page 21
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/page/20/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> Adolf Hitler to Danish foreign minister Erik Scavenius in late
November 1941: "If the German people prove not strong or willing
enough to make sacrifices and shed their blood for the sake of
their existence, they deserve to die out and be destroyed by
another stronger force."
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Adolf Hitler Hillgruber (ed.), Staatsmänner und Diplomaten bei
Hitler 1939-1941, p. 657
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> "If the war is lost, the people will be lost also. It is not
necessary to worry about what the German people will need for
elemental survival. On the contrary, it is best for us to
destroy even these things. For the nation has proved to be the
weaker, and the future belongs solely to the stronger eastern
nation. In any case only those who are inferior will remain
after this struggle, for the good have already been killed."
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Adolf Hitler Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich page 520
HTML https://archive.org/details/insidethirdreich00spee/page/520/mode/2up
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 3, 2024, 3:38 am
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Hitler was symphatied to the Spain leftist movements on Spain
civil war
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> "Early in November 1937 Hitler told his staff that an outright
Franco victory in Spain was not desirable: ‘Our interest is in
maintaining existing tensions in the Mediterranean.’ That Franco
was fighting the Communist-backed Republicans was of only
secondary importance. In April 1938 Hitler would muse out loud
to Reinhard Spitzy, Ribbentrop’s private secretary: ‘We have
backed the wrong horse in Spain. We would have done better to
back the Republicans. They represent the people. We could always
have converted these socialists into good National Socialists
later. The people around Franco are all reactionary clerics,
aristocrats, and moneybags — they’ve nothing in common with us
Nazis at all!""
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Hitler's War and the War Path page 44
HTML https://archive.org/details/HitlersWarAndTheWarPath/page/n77/mode/2up
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 3, 2024, 4:07 am
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I would not use the quotes you posted here:
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as they (especially the first two) could be interpreted as
Darwinist (ie. whoever loses by definition deserved to lose).
Hitler's best quotes are his anti-Darwinist quotes, such as:
“The Jew offers the most striking contrast to the Aryan. There
is probably no other people in the world who have so developed
the instinct of self-preservation as the so-called ‘chosen’
people. The best proof of this statement is found in the simple
fact that this race still exists.” – Adolf Hitler
[i]"The Arabian epoch ... was the most cultured, the most
intellectual and in every way best and happiest epoch in Spanish
history. It was followed by the period of the persecutions with
its unceasing atrocities." - Adolf Hitler
“The best nations - or, to speak more exactly, the only really
cultured nations, who at the same time are the chief bearers of
human progress – have decided, in their blind pacifism, to
refrain from the acquisition of new territory and to be content
with ‘internal colonization.’ But at the same time nations of
inferior quality succeed in getting hold of large spaces for
colonization all over the globe. … Should that state of affairs
continue, then the world will one day be possessed by that
portion of mankind which is culturally inferior but more active
and energetic.” – Adolf Hitler[/i]
The more superior a gene pool is, the weaker its
self-preservation instinct, and hence the more external effort
must be invested to ensure the inferior (but hence possessing
stronger self-preservation instinct) are eliminated first. It is
this which satisfactorily accounts for Hitler's practical
decisions to invade the countries listed earlier (as well as of
course rounding up Jews). If they were going to die out anyway,
why not just wait for them to do so on their own? It precisely
because we know they are not the ones who will die out first
that we need to take action to make them die out first.
Please think more carefully before posting, or else you will end
up doing to National Socialism what Paul did to Christianity.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 3, 2024, 10:22 pm
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National Socialist retaliation to Western Civilization
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> The Chaos of the New Order: 1941-43
>
> In all the occupied territories I see the people living there
stuffed full of food, while our own people are going hungry. For
God's sake, you haven't been sent there to work for the
well-being of the peoples entrusted to you, but to get hold of
as much as you can so that the German people can live. I expect
you to devote your energies to that. This continual concern for
the aliens must come to an end once and for all... I could not
care less when you say that people under your administration are
dying of hunger. Let them perish so long as no German starves.
Goering to Reich Commissioners and Military Commanders of the
occupied territories, 6 August 1942
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Source :
Inside Hitler's Greece : the experience of occupation, 1941-44
by Mazower, Mark page 8
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 3, 2024, 10:31 pm
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Goering was not a National Socialist. He was a traitor:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring
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> In his last will and testament, Hitler expelled Göring from
the party
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Why are you praising Goering's tribalism?
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 3, 2024, 10:47 pm
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> Why are you praising Goering's tribalism?
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I don't know which is the correct way to behave towards brutal
enemies of the state and which is not. Feel free to correct my
post
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 3, 2024, 11:02 pm
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Goering never said anything about enemies here. His argument was
ingroup-outgroup distinction:
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> In all the occupied territories I see the people living there
stuffed full of food, while our own people are going hungry. For
God's sake, you haven't been sent there to work for the
well-being of the peoples entrusted to you, but to get hold of
as much as you can so that the German people can live. I expect
you to devote your energies to that. This continual concern for
the aliens must come to an end once and for all... I could not
care less when you say that people under your administration are
dying of hunger. Let them perish so long as no German starves.
--- End Quote ---
The statement:
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> This continual concern for the aliens must come to an end once
and for all
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is explicit ideological advocacy for tribalism.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 4, 2024, 1:27 am
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--- Quote ---
> Race Theory in the Third Reich
>
> Ironically, the Third Reich was not as dogmatic as many of its
post-war Anglophone admirers. German National Socialism was
conflicted between its roots in the German Idealism of Fichte
and others, and English materialism, introduced through
Darwinism. The sociologist Dr А James Gregor, who became
an authority on Fascist ideology pointed to several distinct
trends in National Socialist race theory.” He quotes Third Reich
philosopher Alfred Rosenberg as stating, in The Myth of the
Twentieth Century, that ‘nothing would be more superficial than
to measure a man's worth by his physical appearance (with a
centimetre rule and cephalic indices). A far more accurate
measure of worth is conduct" 2" Rosenberg's outlook in this
regard is the same as that of Spengler's and Yockey's, although
Spengler became persona non grata in the Third Reich.” However,
despite major misgivings and intellectual rivalry, and
condemnation by the National Socialist press, Rosenberg called
Spengler's Decline of the West ‘great and good’, because it
broke ‘like a hail storm, **** and rotten branches, and
fertilised the longing fruitless earth”, even if in ‘error’. As
is often the case, here too Spengler's supposed ‘fatalism’ is
the major bugbear.
>
> While Hitler used the term ‘Aryan’ throughout Mein Kampf, he
did поt identify a specific sub-race." *Nordicism'
did not become pronounced until after the National Socialist
ascent to government, starting with Professor Hans Gunther's
race theories. Theories of the Nordic as the sole repositor of
civilization then became predominant.” A reaction to this
Nordicism was present among National Socialist scientists by
1938. Ludwig Clauss, Fischer and Lenz were stating that the
greatest historical figures — Socrates, Michelangelo, Goethe,
Beethoven — were manifestly *of mixed race' and that the purest
of Nordic peoples did not evidence High Culture until
‘stimulated by Ше bastard peoples from the
Mediterranean" ??? As early as 1933, seven months after assuming
government, Hitler stated that *we do not conclude from a man's
physical type his ability, but rather from his achievements his
race. Ву 1935 this had become the predominant trend
in race theory. A major textbook stated, ‘the men who bear the
qualities of heroism, strength of will, a readiness to sacrifice
and faith, have played a decisive role in deciding Germany's
destiny, and they shall continue to do so even if they are not
all tall, blond or blue-eyed'. Richard Eichenauer even stated
that “теп of extremely mixed race' have
“тоге powerfully grasped’ the National
Socialist ethos than the ‘predominantly Nordic”
>
> Gregor, at the time a Mosley supporter, concluded his article
in The European by stating that this race theory that had been
embryonically developing in the Third Reich, ‘as yet half
formulated and ill-expressed’, is something ‘with which our time
must contend', in forming a philosophy that *bears within itself
the promise of Nietzsche's Good European'.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Gregor Anthony James - National Socialism and Race page 11
2. Yockey A Fascist Odyssey (2018) by Kerry Bolton page 102 –
103
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3. Kuzniar-Clark - Black Nazis II Ethnic Minorities and
Foreigners in Hitler's Armed Forces page 6
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