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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 10, 2024, 5:22 pm
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Anti-British propaganda map published by German magazine
'Illustrierter Beobachter', ca. 1939. Cover reads 'England's
Fault' and depicts a British colonialist, being carried by
Chinese, Indian, and Black men.
[img]
HTML https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/FairhillAuctionLLC/27/739427/H22785-L315561323.JPG[/img]
Source :
Lot 407: ANTI-BRITISH PROPAGANDA MAP ENGLANDS FAULT
HTML https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/anti-british-propaganda-map-englands-fault-407-c-4ab47e78fe
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 10, 2024, 6:30 pm
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See also:
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 12, 2024, 5:25 pm
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Hitler's Racial View analysed by Rainer Zitelmann, a German
historian and sociologist, author, management consultant and
real estate expert
--- Quote ---
> Hitler regarded it as his achievement that he had forged the
German nation into a unit, into the ‘national community’, over
and beyond all religious, social and other barriers. He had no
intention of destroying this unity by propounding different
racial elements and thereby introducing a new set of criteria of
differentiation leading to disunity. In June 1930 he said to
Wagener:
>
> If we examine the question of the advantages and disadvantages
of keeping the races and tribes in our German fatherland apart
from the vantage point of this insight, then all we see is
disadvantages! The staging of the racial problem would only
split the German people further apart, incite them against each
other, atomize them, and thereby make them without importance
foreign policy-wise. I have therefore already forbidden it
several times, and at the next meeting of the Gau leaders I will
again forbid most sharply that racial theory and racial problems
are even talked or written about. We must do exactly the
opposite! National community, national community, has to be our
battle cry! Everything that unites the classes and binds them
together must be brought forth, cared for and fostered, and
everything that separates them, that reawakens the old
prejudices, again must be avoided, fought against, removed ...
We alone can and must decide about the racial question, you and
I, and Rosenberg and one or two others. Because for us this is a
key and a pointer. But for the general public it is poison! And
what is more, all it will do is awaken feelings of superiority
and inferiority complexes. And those are the surest means of
destroying a national community.128
>
> Therefore Hitler rejected developing an élite according to
external racial criteria. In a monologue on 27 January 1942 he
said:
>
> Racial war need not break out if people are selected not
according to their appearance but according to their
achievements. Looks and ability are often quite far apart. You
can make the selection according to the appearance, and you can
make it – as the party has done – according to the test of
life.129
>
> In a speech on 26 May 1944 Hitler again said that the
recruitment of the élite must not in any way depend on external
attributes, but must be carried out solely on the basis of
ability because the able person thereby proved that he belonged
to a special race:
>
> We have now united these racial nuclei within our nation. What
is important now is that – as rich as the spectrum of the
abilities of the German people now is – I bring out first and
foremost the racial nuclei of the various abilities which were
originally the bearers of these abilities; that means,
therefore, I have to ensure that in the case of an artistic
talent, that racial nucleus gradually comes into effect
throughout the whole German nation which is artistically
talented. Now, gentlemen, this does not come about by a
selection in which I say,’ Who looks artistic?’, but here the
miracle appears, that the note finds its representative in the
end. That means in other words: when I strike a certain note,
then in the piano, for example, that string will respond which
is attuned to this note, and when I need a certification of a
certain ability and switch on free development here, then those
elements will respond who in the final analysis are really
ordained by nature, that means based on their racial
endowment.130
>
> We can therefore see that, with his whole line of reasoning
about the recruitment of an élite, Hitler is leading racial
ideology ad absurdum – insofar as it attempts to claim validity
within the German national community. The racial argument is not
necessary at any point for the logic of the argument: the whole
concept could be presented without the racial element and the
practical consequences would remain the same.
>
> Nonetheless, during the Third Reich, and particularly among
the SS, there was a widespread primitive racial ideology in
evidence whose proponents did not ‘conclude about the race from
the abilities’, as Hitler demanded, but, vice versa, ‘from the
race about the abilities’. Himmler expressly avowed the
principle of ‘selecting the person on outward appearance’,131
whereby size, the shape of the face and the colour of hair and
eyes, as well as build, were the decisive criteria according to
which an applicant for the SS was allocated into one of five
categories.132 Hitler himself, who was undeniably a fanatic
racist as far as the Jews and the others who had been ‘excluded’
from the national community (gypsies, the handicapped etc.) as
well as other nations were concerned, still opposed the
propagation of racial topics within the German national
community. ‘The Führer sharply deplores work of all racial
committees,’ Goebbels noted in his diary on 26 June 1936.133 [1]
Goebbels himself, whose appearance would also hardly have
fulfilled the criteria of the SS, vehemently turned against the
‘nonsense of race materialism, which does not look to position
and persuasion but to peroxide blond’.134 [2] On 7 September
1937 he became excited about an essay by a lord mayor: ‘Now
external physical attributes are supposed to be decisive for
promotion. Nonsense of the first magnitude’.135 [3] On 28
October 1937 he noted: ‘Discussed racial policy with Dr Gross. I
confront him with our false principles of selection. According
to these, most of the leaders of today would have been
rejected.’136 [4] We may conclude from this aside that on
racial-political questions as well there could be no talk of a
uniform ideology of ‘the’ National Socialists [5]
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels Im Auftrag des Instituts
für Zeitgeschichte und mit Unterstützung des Staatlichen
Archivdienstes Rußlands Herausgegeben von Elke Fröhlich Teil I
Aufzeichnungen 1923 -1941 Band 3/H März 1936 - Februar 1937
Bearbeitet von Jana Richter K G - Saur München 2001 Page 115
2. Ibid., p. 117, entry on 24 June 1936.
3. Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels Im Auftrag des Instituts
für Zeitgeschichte und mit Unterstützung des Staatlichen
Archivdienstes Rußlands Herausgegeben von Elke Fröhlich Teil I
Aufzeichnungen 1923-1941 Band 4 März - November 1937 Bearbeitet
von Elke Fröhlich K G - Saur München 2000 Page 299
4. Ibid., p. 379-380, entry on 28 October 1937
5. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 490 -
492
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Re: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 15, 2024, 10:12 am
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Even though Hitler's Regime had many Powerful Enemies, It still
tried to Attack the United States, the Bastion of Western
Civilization during World War 2
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--- Quote ---
> Despite the efforts of the conspirators to make the D-Day
invasion easier for the Allies, the Wehrmacht's loyal enlisted
men and officers fought tenaciously with their traditional
professionalism to repel the invasion, inflicting heavy
casualties on the Allies. On the first day alone 12,000 Allied
soldiers fell, and 113 Allied aircraft were shot down. It would
take 80 days for the Allies finally to break out of the
beachhead areas into France proper.
>
> Georg speculates that had the Germans been able to repel the
invasion, the Allies would not have been able to attempt it
again for a long time. Meanwhile, the Germans would have been
able to transfer their forces back to the Eastern Front to hold
the Soviets at bay until such time as Hitler's miracle weapons,
perhaps including nuclear devices, were battle ready. At his
trial in Nuremberg, Hermann Göring said that if the war had
lasted another two years, the Germans would have had the U.S.
East Coast under missile bombardment. Repelling the invasion was
in fact Germany's last chance to reverse the course of the war.
Failure to do so, extinguished all hope.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 19, 2024, 7:25 am
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--- Quote ---
> In contrast [to Christianity], the National Socialist treated
Muslims entirely different. They were courted as potential
allies against the colonial powers and especially against the
Soviet Union. Islam received numerous privileges. Hitler himself
– according to Bormann – had determined that Germans converting
to Islam could remain members of the NSDAP. The Wehrmacht and
Waffen-SS established Muslim units in which imams and mullahs
did their duty. Even in 1944 madrasas were founded in Guben and
Dresden, in which the SS trained imams. In addition,
corresponding courses were taught at Göttingen university.
--- End Quote ---
Source: Volker Koop, Martin Bormann: Hitler's Executioner Page
218 - 219
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 20, 2024, 11:51 pm
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Hitler's Plan had he Won Against Soviet Russia
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> There will be no restoration of Czarism in Russia, but a true
socialism will replace Jewish Bolshevism. Every old Nazi will be
deeply gratified to see this hour. The alliance with Russia was
always a blemish on our honour. Now it will be washed away. We
shall now destroy what we have fought against for our entire
lives. I say so to the Führer and he completely agrees with me.
>
> - Joseph Goebbels, 16th June 1941 (5 days before Hitler's
attack to Soviet Russia)
--- End Quote ---
Sumber :
Joseph Goebbels, The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941, trans. Fred
Taylor (New York: Penquin Books, Ltd., 1984), Page 461
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 22, 2024, 4:53 am
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Oswald Mosley, the British Fascist Leader view Hitler
--- Quote ---
> Yes, it was better or would have not been better if Hitler had
ever existed. No, certainly better that he should not ever have
existed because his existence led to 25 million Europeans being
killed. And if I had my way, those 25 million would be alive
today, including six million Jews who never would have been
killed if there hadn't been a war.
>
> They made the greatest mistake they ever made when they
produced that war. And who was most of all? Who was most of all
responsible for the 1939-45 war? I'll tell you exactly. Hitler
began it by driving east.
>
> Oswald Mosley, Leader of British Union of Fascist (16 November
1896 – 3 December 1980)
--- End Quote ---
Source :
HTML https://t.me/redideologies/295
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 24, 2024, 7:56 pm
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Hitler's Anti-Democratic Action
--- Quote ---
> Despite achieving a much better result than in the November
1932 election, the Nazis did not do as well as Hitler had hoped.
In spite of massive violence and voter intimidation,[1][2] the
Nazis won only 43.9% of the vote, rather than the majority that
he had expected.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Wikipedia contributors. (2024, September 29). March 1933
German federal election. In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia.
Retrieved 00:51, October 25, 2024, from
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=March_1933_German_federal_election&oldid=1248408856
2. Steiner, Z. (2011). The Triumph of the Dark: European
International History 1933-1939. Britania Raya: OUP Oxford. Page
21
HTML https://www.google.co.id/books/edition/The_Triumph_of_the_Dark/nKOhFJFPI54C?hl=id&gbpv=1&dq=In+spite+of+massive+violence+and+voter+intimidation,+the+Nazis+won+only+43.9%25+of+the+vote&pg=PA21&printsec=frontcover
3. Whitfield, R., Taylor, K. (2017). Oxford AQA History: A Level
and AS: Democracy and Nazism: Germany 1918-1945 Revision Guide.
Britania Raya: OUP Oxford. Page 60
HTML https://www.google.co.id/books/edition/Oxford_AQA_History_A_Level_and_AS_Democr/yM7KDwAAQBAJ?hl=id&gbpv=1&dq=In+spite+of+massive+violence+and+voter+intimidation,+the+Nazis+won+only+43.9%25+of+the+vote&pg=PA60&printsec=frontcover
4. von Götz, Irene. Violence Unleashed. Accesed on 25th October
2024, from
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20160818085550/http://www.berlin.de/2013/en/open-air-exhibitions/urban-memorials/08-platz-der-republik-centres-of-the-seizure-of-power/violence-unleashed/
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 26, 2024, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: antihellenistic link ---
>
> Another Evidence that Hitler really wanted war with the
Western European countries, including Britain
>
> [quote]Far more troubling were the multitude of signs that
Hitler, far from settling down to become the satisfied, peaceful
statesman Chamberlain had hoped, was preparing for new
adventures. On 14 October [1938], just two weeks after the
Munich Conference, Göring announced a massive expansion of
German rearmament (including a fivefold increase in the size of
the Luftwaffe) and, at the beginning of December, the German
Government gave formal notice that it intended to exercise a
clause in the Anglo-German Naval Treaty which allowed it to
build up to 100 per cent of the total of British submarines.
Accompanying these public declarations were a series of
intelligence reports arguing that Hitler, ‘barely sane’, was
‘consumed by an insensate hatred of this country’, while the
German press was engaged in a venomous campaign to depict ‘Great
Britain as “Public Enemy Number One”’.70
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Bouverie, Appeasing Hitler Page 311 and 312
--- Quote ---
> "British and international opinion was appalled by
Kristallnacht... Even pro-Germans reacted. It destroyed
America's faith in Appeasement, and shocked Chamberlain too. But
it wasn't the only event. In December [1938], Canaris warned
Britain that Hitler intended to bomb London the only event. in
March. Halifax reacted by putting an anti-aircraft battery at
Wellington Barracks, which was visible from the German Embassy,
and the British government started building an anti-aircraft gun
factory near Glasgow. And finally, Hitler invaded the rest of
Czechoslovakia as the Slovakians declared independence. This was
the final straw that broke the camel's back.
>
> "The invasion of Czechoslovakia - the most flagrant violation
of the Munich Agreement - caused outrage in Britain..." "The
consensus that appeasement was now dead was instantaneous. In
one swift stroke, Hitler had broken his word - repudiating the
claim that the Sudetenland constituted his last territorial
demand - and revealed that 'lust for conquest' with which his
critics had alwavs charded him." "There could be no further
dealings with such a man and, as one Chamberlain loyalist noted
in his diary, 'we' should fight him as soon as 'we are strong
enough'."
--- End Quote ---
Minute 31:47 - 33:06
Source :
1. References: Bouverie, Appeasing Hitler, Page 307, 308 - 310,
313, 317, 322, 323
2. Evans. The Third Reich in Power. Kindle "The **** of
Czechoslovakia"
3. ‘But TIK, the reason WHY Hitler started WW2 makes no sense!’
HTML https://youtu.be/EQKM5b1SoS0?t=1907
Hitler's Hostility towards Netherlands
--- Quote ---
> "On the morning of 13 May [1940], Student kept calling for
bomber support against enemy strongpoints inside Rotterdam and
the point of main effort at the bridges where the parachutists
were held up. At 1400 hours the sortie in question was flown,
and its success finally led to the capitulation of Holland on 14
May 1940."
>
> ...
>
> "Before the bombers took off, Göring and I spent hours of
heated argument over the telephone as to how the attacks
demanded were to be carried out, if at all."
>
> ...
>
> Command saying that Student had called upon Rotterdam to
surrender and ordering us to attack an alternative target in
case Rotterdam should have surrended in the meantime (during the
approach flight).
--- End Quote ---
Source :
The memoirs of Field-Marshal Kesselring by Kesselring, Albert,
1885-1960 Page 56 and 58
HTML https://archive.org/details/memoirsoffieldma0000kess/page/56/mode/2up
[/quote]
Compare Hitler's view on Britain with Kaiser Wilhelm II
--- Quote ---
> 'You British are mad, like bulls seeing a red rag! What has
happened to you to overwhelm us with suspicions that are
unworthy of a great nation! What else shall I do? I have always
described myself as a friend of Britain. ... Have I ever broken
my word? ... This misunderstanding strikes me as a personal
insult.'
--- End Quote ---
– Kaiser Wilhelm II's Statement in The Daily Telegraph (27
October 1908), quoted in W. W. Coole (ed.), Thus Spake Germany
(London: George Routledge & Sons, 1941), p. 161
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 26, 2024, 6:09 pm
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--- Quote from: antihellenistic link ---
>
> Hitler's Racial View, from TIKHistory's YouTube account
>
> [quote]I agree with Richards that Hitler's racism isn't a
scientific racism based on genetics or Darwinism. It may have
been influenced by these concepts, but its origins were clearly
in the mysticism realm. I've say before about gnosticism... but
even if it wasn't that specifically, it's clearly got a
religious or cult-like origin based on purifying the soul of the
people, guided by Providence, a change requiring contradictions
(Aufheben), and a spiritual salvation and rebirth. Hitler is
waging a spiritual war, and National Socialism is a religion -
there's no science here, which is also why they believed in
World-Ice Theory, a concept whose origins I've N discovered
comes from the first known philosophers in Ancient Greece -
Thales.There are a couple of things in Samaan's narrative that I
do agree with though. Darwin clearly wasn't the only guy who
came up with the Theory of Evolution - others were there doing
the work at the time. So it is weird that it's become Darwin's
Theory. And I do agree with Samaan when he says that eugenics is
inherent within the idea of "natural selection" and "survival of
the fittest". Darwinism and Social Darwinism are one and the
same thing.
>
> ...
>
> And at this time, despite the Civil War, black Americans were
still second-class citizens under the law, and the way they were
treated was noted by the Nazis themselves. In Mein Kampf,
Hitler's Second Book, and the Nazi Party Program, the idea of
there being two classes of people, "citizens" and non-citizens,
was laid out with inspiration from American Law. Hitler actually
mentions American racial law in his Second Book. And in Nazi
texts from the time where they explained the concept of
citizenship, they made reference to American racial laws,
stating in one instance that "America possesses a proud
consciousness of Gemeinschaft" (community). Whitman makes clear
that the Blood Law - the Third Nuremberg Law - was a copy of an
American law. Now, Whitman makes the case that the language of
the law wasn't a direct copy, but rather a heavily influenced
copy, so there are differences, most-notably the fact that the
Nazis targeted Jews rather than blacks.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
References: Whitman, "Hitler's American Model," p37, p73,
p123-126, p129.
Did Darwin cause Hitler? (The Eugenics Debate)
HTML https://youtu.be/AWYjBfe0I9s?si=zsHX4Hs-aD_bx08Z
[/quote]
Compare Hitler's Racial View with Darwin's Racial View
Charles Darwin
--- Quote ---
> Charles Darwin was saying that Africans were closer to apes
than they were to white men “Both Societies, namely the
Ethnological Society’s Huxley and Darwin, vocally proposed that
Africans were closer to apes than to white men…” “The gulf
between the lowest creature which can still be styled man and
our highest races is greater than that between the lowest type
of man and the highest ape.” “Darwinian racial hierarchy, with
European whites at the pinnacle of human evolution and
Aborigines and Africans closer to apes than to whites, tied
Darwin's theory of "selection" and Morel's theory of
"degeneracy" to fabricate the fear that [intimate] relations
between European whites and any other race would inevitably
result in a biological retrogression.”
--- End Quote ---
Minute 18:17-19:05
Source :
Samaan, "From a 'Race of Masters' to a 'Master Race'," Kindle
Chapter 18 Section 1
--- Quote ---
> "Hitler's argument makes little sense from a Darwinian
perspective." "If living conditions become restricted within
closed borders, it would be the more fit who would survive..."
...whereas if conditions become relaxed by moving into an
unoccupied and fruitful land..." "...then the fit and the less
fit (by some measure) ought to have fairly equal chances."
>
> "Hence, from a Darwinian point of view, the conclusion ought
to be just opposite to the one Hitler drew."
--- End Quote ---
Minute 24:53 - 25:16
Source :
Richards, "Was Hitler a Darwinian," p225.
--- Quote ---
> Richards says that Hitler got his racial theories from
Chamberlain, Wagner, and Hegel, saying that the "struggle" of
"spirit" is coming from Hegel, which we also know comes from
Kant, Plato, and Heraclitus.
--- End Quote ---
Minute 25:22 - 25:40
Source :
Peikoff, "The Cause of Hitler's Germany," p20-22, p26-27.
Videla, "National Socialism: Its Principles and Philosophy,"
p18, p43-50.
Ayn Rand Institute, "Introduction to Objectivism, by Leonard
Peikoff," 20 Feb 2015
HTML https://youtu.be/hiJD0i_WwdQ
Ayn Rand. "James McConnell Interviews Ayn Rand About the New
Intellectual." 29 Jan 2015.
HTML https://youtu.be/leaAC832qG4
Adolf Hitler
--- Quote ---
> A negro with his taboos is far superior to a human who firmly
believes in Transubstantiation. - Adolf Hitler, December 13,
1941
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1.
2.
Page 81
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> The dirt was visible on the blacks only when the missionaries,
in order to teach them decorum, obliged them to wear clothes. In
its natural state, the negro is very clean. For a missionary,
the smell of dirt is agreeable. From this point of view, they
themselves are the dirtiest pigs. They have water horrors. -
Adolf Hitler, February 19, 1942
--- End Quote ---
Source:
1. Adolf Hitler - Table Talk Page 319 - 320
2. Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier by Henry Picker
Page 107
--- Quote ---
> It is also an interesting fact that among the negroes the
children of those tribes which are primarily vegetarian develop
more harmoniously than those of the tribes in which it is
customary for the mother to feed her infant up to the age of
four or five – Adolf Hitler, 25th April 1942
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Hitler, Adolf – Table Talk Page 442 and 443
2. Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier Page 241
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