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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 18, 2024, 3:43 am
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--- Quote from: antihellenistic link ---
>
> [quote author=antihellenistic
link=topic=1384.msg27851#msg27851 date=1726298191]
> In 1936, Immigrants from former German colonies in "Africa"
got assistance from Martin Bormann, Chief Staff of the Deputy
Fuhrer to live and got a job in Hitler's Regime.
>
> It was the majority of "white Germans", not Hitler regime's
officials who did persecution to the "blacks". The government
officials try what they can do to protect the immigrants
>
> Translated from German into English with Google Translate
>
> [quote]The withdrawal of identity cards and the issuing of
foreign passports certainly had a counterproductive effect, as
these measures represented the first significant steps towards a
separation from the "national body." From this conflict, the
public authorities constructed the "good" African, who came from
the former colonies and had preferably fought on the German side
in the First World War. This person was to be worthy of support;
above all, they wanted to help him find work and thus make him
independent of benefits. Africans of other origins were to be
clearly separated from these. "However, the difficulty arises
that in individual cases it is not always immediately possible
to determine whether or not a colonial Negro has made a valuable
contribution to Germany," said Martin Bormann, later head of the
NSDAP party office, describing the "dilemma" in a letter to the
Foreign Office on October 31, 1935.1º Nevertheless, it was
necessary to give the Africans or black Germans a chance to earn
a living, "since some of the Negroes are still in contact with
their homeland and will report back to them on the situation in
Germany and their treatment" - this was Bormann's regretful
statement in a confidential circular to the Gauleiter on March
30, 1936. Since this support was not really compatible with the
definitions and regulations of the "Nuremberg Laws," it was
wanted to prevent it from becoming public. Bormann added in the
circular: "General dissemination to the lower party offices is
to be avoided, [...] because I want to avoid support for these
Negroes being misunderstood." The attempt was therefore made to
avoid coming into open conflict with the racial policy
principles and regulations of the regime. In a first step, all
Africans and black Germans who were eligible for support were to
be recorded. They were then to be given a certificate assuring a
potential employer that there were no objections to hiring them.
In addition, they were to be placed under the special protection
of the relevant party organizations.
>
> In practical implementation, it proved extremely difficult
from the outset to make it clear to the population and thus also
to employers that a distinction had to be made between "good"
and "bad" Africans. Whole companies became members of the German
Labor Front, which was mostly closed to people with black
skin.12 Here, too, however, there was no uniform approach. In a
"Note on the situation of blacks from the protectorates in
Germany" written by the Foreign Office in November 1934, it was
stated: "The development of the racial problem in Germany has
had very serious consequences for the Negroes living here. The
difficulties that the Negroes encounter in the practical
implementation of the racial question are less due to official
measures than to the general mood of the population. [...] The
general mood of the population on the racial question means that
the Negroes are often subjected to personal insults and
rejection, but above all in the fact that no employer dares to
employ Negroes out of consideration for the mood of the
public."13
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Treu bis in den Tod. Von Deutsch-Ostafrika nach
Sachsenhausen. Eine Lebensgeschichte 1 Aug. 2007 by Marianne
Bechhaus-Gerst Page 75 - 77
HTML https://books.google.co.id/books?redir_esc=y&hl=id&id=r9dVq2EsN7cC&q=Arbeitsschutz#v=onepage&q=martin%20bormann&f=false
2. Kuzniar-Clark - Black Nazis II Ethnic Minorities and
Foreigners in Hitler's Armed Forces page 46
It's the opposition towards democratic and popular decisions,
that can give protection to minority people with different
racial/social/conditional backgrounds.
[/quote]
Struggle to Integrate the immigrants from "Africa" continued,
even though the majority of "white Germans" and Officials other
than Martin Bormann's Circles did Discrimination
Translated from German into English Language with Google
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> Whether they would have been willing to do this in view of
their situation is an open question, as the strategically
motivated departure from ideological principles went largely
unnoticed by the population. The rejection of dark-skinned
people had developed a dynamic of its own, against which
short-term planning games in foreign policy could not do
anything. The Foreign Office had already stated in November 1934
that "Negroes are often subjected to personal insults and
rejection, but above all that, out of consideration for the mood
of the public, no entrepreneur dares to employ Negroes. In this
way, the Negroes are practically deprived of the opportunity to
earn money at home." The resulting "discontent among the
Negroes," the officials feared, could have "extremely unpleasant
repercussions" should "the question of granting a mandate to
Germany in Africa ever become acute."'
>
> The authorities were almost helpless in documenting numerous
attacks and cases of discrimination. Dark-skinned Germans were
increasingly harassed by colleagues or fired by customers
because of the threat of a boycott.'* Some of those affected
received monthly allowances from the Foreign Office or were
placed as teachers in the Oriental Languages
​​Seminar at Berlin's Friedrich Wilhelm University.
Germans of African origin, however, were completely unprotected
against actual attacks or insults in everyday life.
>
> The temporary protection did not change the authorities'
assessment of them as a "lower race" - contact, or even "mixing"
with "Aryans" was to be avoided at all costs. A "solution"
emerged in 1935, when the still popular concept of the
"Volkerschau" was taken up and all "natives from the former
colonies living in Germany" were united in the "German Africa
Show" to form a traveling stage troupe with the aim of "taking
the Negroes out of idleness" and "making racial crimes easier to
prevent" through better control.!? It did not matter in the
slightest to the initiators that the "natives" had never set
foot on African soil and were born in Germany. Most of them only
agreed to take part out of existential need.
>
> As contradictory as the political guidelines were, so varied
were the fates of the Horn and Sabac el Cher families. As far as
we know, Editha and Herbert were spared hostilities, nobody
doubted their "Reich citizenship" - what's more, they were
successful. But for Ilse and Horst, and certainly for Elise and
Gertrud too, these were difficult, bitter years in which nothing
was as before. Although she was only "one-eighth black" and only
noticeable on the streets because of her rather southern
appearance, Ilse no longer understood the world that suddenly
wanted to suggest to her at every turn that she was "different"
from "German."
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. Preussisches Liebesglück: eine deutsche Familie aus Afrika
page 169 - 170
2. Kuzniar-Clark - Black Nazis II Ethnic Minorities and
Foreigners in Hitler's Armed Forces page 53
[/quote]
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Important sentences :
Hitler was behind this measure, as Bormann was not at all
concerned about the welfare of blacks
#Post#: 27892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 18, 2024, 3:10 pm
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> This order flew in the face of the Nuremberg laws.
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Untrue:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Text_of_the_laws
--- Quote ---
> Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour
>
> Moved by the understanding that purity of German blood is the
essential condition for the continued existence of the German
people, and inspired by the inflexible determination to ensure
the existence of the German nation for all time, the Reichstag
has unanimously adopted the following law, which is promulgated
herewith:
>
> Article 1
>
> Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or related blood
are forbidden. Marriages nevertheless concluded are invalid,
even if concluded abroad to circumvent this law.
> Annulment proceedings can be initiated only by the state
prosecutor.
>
> Article 2
>
> Extramarital relations between Jews and citizens of German or
related blood are forbidden.
>
> Article 3
>
> Jews may not employ in their households female subjects of the
state of Germany or related blood who are under 45 years old.
>
> Article 4
>
> Jews are forbidden to fly the Reich or national flag or
display Reich colors.
> They are, on the other hand, permitted to display the Jewish
colors. The exercise of this right is protected by the state.
>
> Article 5
>
> Any person who violates the prohibition under Article 1 will
be punished with a prison sentence with hard labour.
> A male who violates the prohibition under Article 2 will be
punished with a jail term or a prison sentence with hard labour.
> Any person violating the provisions under Articles 3 or 4 will
be punished with a jail term of up to one year and a fine, or
with one or the other of these penalties.
>
> Article 6
>
> The Reich Minister of the Interior, in coordination with the
Deputy of the Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice, will
issue the legal and administrative regulations required to
implement and complete this law.
>
> Article 7
>
> The law takes effect on the day following promulgation, except
for Article 3, which goes into force on January 1, 1936.
>
> Reich Citizenship Law
>
> The Reichstag has unanimously enacted the following law, which
is promulgated herewith:
>
> Article 1
>
> A subject of the state is a person who enjoys the protection
of the German Reich and who in consequence has specific
obligations toward it.
> The status of subject of the state is acquired in accordance
with the provisions of the Reich and the Reich Citizenship Law.
>
> Article 2
>
> A Reich citizen is a subject of the state who is of German or
related blood, and proves by his conduct that he is willing and
fit to faithfully serve the German people and Reich.
> Reich citizenship is acquired through the granting of a Reich
citizenship certificate.
> The Reich citizen is the sole bearer of full political rights
in accordance with the law.
>
> Article 3
>
> The Reich Minister of the Interior, in coordination with the
Deputy of the Führer, will issue the legal and administrative
orders required to implement and complete this law.
--- End Quote ---
"Africans" are mentioned as a category for exclusion nowhere in
the original text of the Nuremberg Laws. An accurate
interpretation of the Nuremberg Laws would actually include at
least non-Jewish bloodlines ancestrally from former German
colonies ("African" or otherwise):
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/German_Colonies.svg[/img]
as German blood. And indeed from your quote, there existed:
--- Quote ---
> "German Africa Show"
--- End Quote ---
HAIL HITLER!
(If anything, it is Kuzniar-Clark revealing her own racism by
failing to interpret the Nuremberg Laws in the way I just
demonstrated.)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 18, 2024, 8:44 pm
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--- Quote from: christianbethel link ---
>
> [quote]'We must accept the mixing of blood as it is. We must
not call one blood worse than another, one mixture better than
another. Rather, we must employ other means to breed a higher
form from this gray mass. We must try to bring to the surface
the valuable traits of the people living in Germany, to
cultivate and to develop them, and we must find ways and means
to prevent the propagation of all the bad, inferior, criminal,
and decadent tendencies and all the congenital diseases so
damaging to the Volk.'
--- End Quote ---
(Otto Wagener, Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, 1946 (in
German)/1978/1985, p. 214)
[/quote]
This is another proof that Hitler did not really want to
persecute "black people" and allowing "racial mixing" to happen,
as long as it did not happen to the Germans - Jews relationship
--- Quote ---
> Louis Brody (born Ludwig M'bebe Mpessa; 15 February 1896 – 11
February 1951) was a Cameroonian-born German film actor,
musician and showfighter.[1]
>
> Brody was born in Douala, in the German colony of Kamerun.[1]
His career began in the 1910s after he moved to Germany and
lasted uninterrupted throughout the Nazi regime till his death
in 1951. Brody engaged also in political work in favour of
Afro-Germans as part of the African Aid Organisation,
established by and for Afro-Germans living in Germany and was
co-founder and president of the Liga zur Verteidigung der
Negerrasse. In 1938 he married a white woman from Danzig. Brody
remained active and successful as an artist during World War II.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Wikipedia contributors. (2024, August 21). Louis Brody. In
Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 01:41, September 19,
2024, from
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louis_Brody&oldid=1241561609
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 19, 2024, 10:32 am
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HTML https://t.me/exposinghitler/1487
The Nazis weren't pro-European, or "based" at all, they were
vehement and fanatical German supremacists, and that's where it
ends. I don't know where the idea came from that they were pro
European/White, just look at who they attacked, it's ALL
European nations. So when Neo Nazis associate the Nazis as being
based or white supremacists, it's complete bollocks--they were
pro German and that's it. And even their pro Germanic philosophy
didn't add up and was illogical because they attacked Germanic
nations like the Netherlands and England. This idea that Nazi
Germany was pro White is absolute horse ****, they killed fourty
millions Europeans, enslaved as many and looted and devastated
countless European Nations. Break the far right spell that the
Nazis were the "good guys", they were the primary aggressors and
brought horrible devastation upon Europe. - Exposing Hitler as
Zionist
#Post#: 27923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 20, 2024, 12:43 am
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Christianity in Hitler's Regime
Hitler's struggle to erase Judeo-Christiany in Germany
--- Quote ---
> In November, 1938, the Nazi Teachers’ Union instituted a drive
to abolish Bible-teaching especially in German Upper Silesia,
and pressure was put upon teachers in Gleiwitz, Oppeln, Beuthen,
Hindenburg, etc., to get them to sign the following document:
>
> In consequence of the dirty Jewish assassination in Paris, |
cannot bring myself any longer to extol in my teaching the
national figures of a people which thrives exclusively on hatred
of Germany. I declare myself, therefore, unable to impart
religious instruction.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
The Persecution Of The Catholic Church In The Third Reich by
Walther Mariaux page 168
HTML https://archive.org/details/the-persecution-of-the-catholic-church-in-the-third-reich/page/168/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> The party [Kerrl said) stands on the basis of Positive
Christianity, and Positive Christianity is National Socialism...
National Socialism is the doing of God's will... God's will
reveals itself in German blood Dr. Zoellner and Count Galen (the
Catholic bishop of Muenster) have tried to make clear to me that
Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the Son of God. That
makes me laugh Creed No, Christianity is not dependent upon the
Apostle's Creed...True Christianity is represented by the party,
and the German people are now called by the party and especially
by the Fuehrer to a real Christianity... The Fuehrer is the
herald of a new revelation
--- End Quote ---
Source :
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany
by William L. Shirer page 239 - 240
HTML https://archive.org/details/B-001-014-606/page/238/mode/2up
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 20, 2024, 4:50 am
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--- Quote from: antihellenistic link ---
>
> Christianity in Hitler's Regime
>
> Hitler's struggle to erase Judeo-Christiany in Germany
>
> [quote]In November, 1938, the Nazi Teachers’ Union instituted
a drive to abolish Bible-teaching especially in German Upper
Silesia, and pressure was put upon teachers in Gleiwitz, Oppeln,
Beuthen, Hindenburg, etc., to get them to sign the following
document:
>
> In consequence of the dirty Jewish assassination in Paris, |
cannot bring myself any longer to extol in my teaching the
national figures of a people which thrives exclusively on hatred
of Germany. I declare myself, therefore, unable to impart
religious instruction.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
The Persecution Of The Catholic Church In The Third Reich by
Walther Mariaux page 168
HTML https://archive.org/details/the-persecution-of-the-catholic-church-in-the-third-reich/page/168/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> The party [Kerrl said) stands on the basis of Positive
Christianity, and Positive Christianity is National Socialism...
National Socialism is the doing of God's will... God's will
reveals itself in German blood Dr. Zoellner and Count Galen (the
Catholic bishop of Muenster) have tried to make clear to me that
Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the Son of God. That
makes me laugh Creed No, Christianity is not dependent upon the
Apostle's Creed...True Christianity is represented by the party,
and the German people are now called by the party and especially
by the Fuehrer to a real Christianity... The Fuehrer is the
herald of a new revelation
--- End Quote ---
Source :
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany
by William L. Shirer page 239 - 240
HTML https://archive.org/details/B-001-014-606/page/238/mode/2up
[/quote]
Continuing on Hitler's struggle to erase Judeo-Christian
influence in Germany
--- Quote ---
> The decisive falsification of Jesus' teachings came from Paul.
He cleverly falsified and exploited the Galilean's teachings for
his own purposes. The Galilean wanted to free his Galilean land
from the Jews, and his teachings were directed against Jewish
capitalism, and that is why the Jews killed him. One of the
meanest commissioners against him was Saul. When Saul suddenly
realized that many people were even willing to be killed for the
Galilean's teachings, what is called "the enlightenment of Saul"
came; it was the insight that with the Galilean's teachings, if
tackled correctly, the Roman state, which the Jews hated, could
collapse. The Romans even confiscated the gold that the Jews had
accumulated in the temples - money was and is their god; the
Romans thus attacked the most sacred thing that exists for the
Jews. Saul-Paul had the enlightenment that the Roman state could
collapse if the teaching of the equality of all people before a
single God was enforced and if one's own, supposedly divine,
views were raised above state laws. If one then managed to
establish a man as God's representative on earth, then this man
with his commandments and teachings stood above all state
laws.!'? – Adolf Hitler, 21th October 1941
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–194 by Heinrich Heim page
77
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/page/76/mode/2up
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 20, 2024, 10:08 pm
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Hitler's view on Islam
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> Hitler's adjutant, Nicolaus von Below, also remembered in his
memoirs that Hitler had been impressed by the thought that
Charles Martel's victory in 732 had contributed to the
disintegration of Europe and that it was, in fact, the
Eton-educated Aga Khan III, at that time president of the League
of Nations, who had, when visiting the Obersalzberg in October
1937, captivated Hitler with the idea that "Islam could have
kept the unity of Europe."'4* Below remarked: "Hitler found his
own view of the course of history affirmed by the Aga Khan. He
would often evince his sympathy for Islam."
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Islam and Nazi Germany's war by Motadel, David page 65
HTML https://archive.org/details/islamnazigermany0000mota/page/64/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> If Charles Martel had not won at Poitiers, we have already
taken on the Jewish world - Christianity is such a dull thing -
we would have adopted Mohammedanism much sooner, this doctrine
of the reward of heroism: the warrior alone has the seventh
heaven! – Adolf Hitler, 28th Augustus 1942
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–1944 by Heinrich Heim page
318
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/page/318/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> The Führer confirmed to me,’ one German diplomat wrote in mid
August 1942, ‘that Germany follows with great interest the fight
of the Islamic world against its oppressors and does not intend
to enslave or suppress any Islamic country’.139
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Hitler: Only the World Was Enough, by Brendan Simms page 555
--- Quote ---
> That evening at the fireside he also told us of the visit a
few days before by the Indian prince and Muslim leader the Aga
Khan, one of the richest men in the world. The conversations
with the Aga Khan gave Hitler much food for thought, e.g. the
opinion of his visitor that it would have been best for Europe
if Martel had lost the eighth-century battle of Tours/Poitiers
against the Moors, for then Europe would have become Muslim,
retained its scientific knowledge and its peoples would have
lived in peace with each other. The Aga Khan had given thought
to the European relationship and that pleased Hitler. He found
himself in agreement with many non-barbarous aspects of Islam,
in particular the ban on drinking and eating the flesh of swine,
and the practice of periodic fasting.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
He Was My Chief: The Memoirs of Adolf Hitler's Secretary Christa
Schroeder, Roger Moorhouse (Introduction) page 168 – 169
--- Quote ---
> A number of members of the Nazi elite expressed their sympathy
for Islam. The man who was perhaps most fascinated with the
Muslim faith and enthusiastic about what he believed to be an
affinity between National Socialism and Islam, was Himmler."7
After discussing the Muslim SS division in the Balkans with
Himmler and Hitler in Berlin in February 1943, Edmund Glaise von
Horstenau noted that Himmler had expressed his disdain for
Christianity, while explaining that he found Islam "very
admirable."* Hitler had made a similar remark. A few months
later, according to Horstenau, Himmler brought up the subject
again: "We also spoke about the Muslim question. He came again
to speak about the heroic Characted of the Mohammedan religion,
while expressing his disdain for Christianity, and especially
Catholicism.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Islam and Nazi Germany's War by David Motadel page 60
HTML https://archive.org/details/islamnazigermany0000mota/page/60/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> As for cruelty, Christianity holds all world records.
Christianity is the revenge of the wandering Jew. Where would we
be today if only we had not had Christianity – we would have the
same brains, but we would have avoided a hiatus of
one-and-a-half thousand years. . . . The terrible thing is that
millions of people believe, or act as though they believe, all
this: they feign belief in it all. If we had all been
Mohammedans, today the world would have been ours.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Hitler's War March 31, 1977 by David Irving Page 229
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 21, 2024, 7:40 pm
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Wotan, Moral and Philosophical Inspiration for the European
Rightism
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> One of the most significant pagan traditions now prevalent in
Europe and the U.S. is based upon the revival of the
pre-Christian, Aryan [Turanian] religion of “Wotanism.” Central
to Wotanism are the Euro-ethnic sky-god pantheon known as the
Aesir, and the more earth-based, agricultural and
fertility-centric Vanir
>
> ...
>
> The family and folk are two major pillars of Wotanist concern.
By tradition our people were always strongly devoted to their
clan, and today, our folk clan is as important to us as ever.
Through this aim we hold sacred above all else, these 14 Words:
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for
White children.”
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Nature of Wotanism – The Root of Thought and Being
HTML https://www.renegadetribune.com/nature-wotanism-root-thought/
--- Quote ---
> Steven McNallen began his speech with his Eight Words: “The
existence of my people is not negotiable.” Mr. McNallen is
probably the most influential figure in the revival of the
native European faith centered on the figure of Wotan (Odin to
the Scandinavians and Woden to the Saxons).
--- End Quote ---
Source :
A Rebirth and a Reawakening AR Staff, American Renaissance,
August 14, 2023
HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2023/08/a-rebirth-and-a-reawakening/
National Socialist's answer on Wotanism
--- Quote ---
> It would seem to me to be incredibly foolish to allow a Wotan
cult to arise again. - Adolf Hitler
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–1944 by Heinrich Heim page
65
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/page/64/mode/2up
--- Quote ---
> Paganism never enjoyed a formal backing of government. On the
contrary, the heathenish sectarianism of its various factions
was not only considered a threat to the unity of the German
folk, but also to the respectability of National Socialism and
its claim to constitute a scientific worldview rather than a
spiritual reform programme. With only a few exceptions, the
Nazi leadership harboured no doubts that Paganism, given free
play, would endanger the ideological consensus of the nation
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Nordic Ideology in the SS and the SS Ahnenerbe Horst Junginger
HTML https://www.academia.edu/31770398/Nordic_Ideology_in_the_SS_and_the_SS_Ahnenerbe_2013_
--- Quote ---
> Hitler completely discounted the reactionary views of the SS,
which attempted to resurrect Germanic cults, customs, and
traditions, following Himmler’s lead.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Greeks, Romans, Germans How the Nazis Usurped Europe’s Classical
Past by Johann Chapoutot page 72 and 74
HTML https://archive.org/details/greeks-romans-germans/page/71/mode/2up
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 22, 2024, 9:22 pm
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--- Quote ---
> [quote]Hitler completely discounted the reactionary views of
the SS, which attempted to resurrect Germanic cults, customs,
and traditions, following Himmler’s lead.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Greeks, Romans, Germans How the Nazis Usurped Europe’s Classical
Past by Johann Chapoutot page 72 and 74
HTML https://archive.org/details/greeks-romans-germans/page/71/mode/2up[/quote]
Another proof that Hitler disliked the reactionary views
--- Quote ---
> “I’m very glad, Herr Hitler, to hear you say this. There’s
such a lot of nonsense talked about blond men, about the Nordic
race, about the cult of Wotan and the spirit of the Edda, as if
no one else on the globe had any right to exist, or at best to
exist only in a second-class position, as subhuman creatures.
These idiotic windbags have no idea what harm their spouting
causes. For all they do is arouse inferiority complexes and
hatred in those who don’t happen to be lucky enough to be blond,
and so they divide the German Volk into two racial halves: the
Germanic and the non-Germanic people.”
>
> “I’ve expressly and repeatedly forbidden this sort of thing!”
Hitler interrupted, flaring up. “All that rubbish about the
Thing places, the solstice festivals, the Midgard snake,1 and
all the rest of the rubbish they dredge up from German
prehistory! Then they read Nietzsche with fifteen-year-old boys
and, using incomprehensible quotations, paint a picture of the
superman, exhorting the boys: ‘That is you or that is what you
are to become.’
--- End Quote ---
Source : Wagener - Hitler Memoirs of a Confidant page 321 (PDF's
format page) paragraph 2 and paragraph 3
--- Quote ---
> “We Germans in particular,” Hitler continued, “must avoid
anything that works to create even more divisiveness. We already
have the limes, with all its effects in the religious,
political, and ideological spheres. If we go on to tell people
that they are different, then we will be working, not to unify
all Germans, but to bring about the final separation and
dissolution of the concept of Germany.”
--- End Quote ---
Source : Wagener - Hitler Memoirs of a Confidant page 321
paragraph 5
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 23, 2024, 1:20 pm
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Hitler's Plan to Attack Europe, Hossbach Memorandum
Hitler referred to attacking Europe rather than colonizing the
colored people, therefore claim that Hitler wanted the
preservation of Western Civilization and "White European Power"
are is questionable
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> "If, then, we accept the security of our food situation as the
principal question, the space necessary to insure it can only be
sought in Europe, not, as in the liberal-capitalist view, in the
exploitation of colonies."
>
> "It is not a matter of acquiring population but of gaining
space for agricultural use."
>
> "Moreover, areas producing raw materials can be more usefully
sought in Europe in immediate proximity to the Reich, than
overseas; the solution thus obtained must suffice for one or two
generations."
>
> Minute 11:42 - 11 : 56
>
> ...
>
> "For the improvement of our politico-military position our
first objective, in the event of our being embroiled in war,
must be to overthrow Czechoslovakia and Austria simultaneously
in order to remove the threat to our flank in any possible
operation against the West."
>
> "In a conflict with France it was hardly to be regarded as
likely that the Czechs would declare war on us on the very same
day as France."
>
> Minute 15.43
>
>
> the Memorandum ends. Overall then, the Hossbach Memorandum
makes it clear that Hitler was looking to wage a war of
aggression, needing to expand in Europe due to economic reasons,
and wanted to annex Austria and Czechoslovakia. He also foresaw
conflict with Poland, France, Britain and the Soviet Union as a
distinct possibility.
>
> Minute 22 : 31 – 22 : 52
>
> Hitler was looking for opportunities to achieve his dreams,
and the Memorandum shows that. He's saying this happens, then
we'll do this', and if this happens, we'll do that'. It's not
I've no idea what I'm doing, therefore let's just annex
countries at random'. This view is backed up by historian
Trever-Rope and historian Overy, and a load of others. And
again, this shows that Hoggan and Taylor's argument that Hitler
didn't have a timetable doesn't disprove that the Memorandum is
an accurate document. Still, this doesn't, stop Hoggan
concluding - "Hence, error had been added to error. It was false
to assume that the document was authentic in the first place,
and it was incorrect to assume that even the fraudulent document
contained any damaging evidence against Hitler and the other
German leaders. Unfortunately, most of the later historians in
Germany and elsewhere have blindly followed the Nuremberg.
judgment and have arrived at the mistaken conclusion that
Hitler's conference of November 5, 1937, was relevant to the
effort of determining the responsibility for World War II." No,
the error here is Taylor's and Hoggan's, as well as the others,
for unjustifiably dismissing and 'innocent' Hitler and the Nazis
were preyed upon by the international community - which, for the
Nazis, is apparently the Jews. The Hossbach Memorandum is an
important document among many, that proves that Hitler had
stated his intention to wage wars of aggression prior to him
actually doing so. The propagandistic narrative that Hitler was
an 'innocent bystander' or that Germany was the 'victim' in this
conflict simply cannot be justified. And yes, despite the weight
of the evidence, and the fact that their false narratives don't
stand up to scrutiny, I'm sure some will continue to spout such
ignorance. I just hope that I've gotten through to a few of them
today.
>
> Minute 48:33 - 50 : 26
--- End Quote ---
Source :
1. The Hossbach Memorandum PROVES Hitler Wanted to Wage a War of
Aggression - TIKHistory
HTML https://youtu.be/1N8nuPdV5Ow?si=xanA2b0XgwIzqigb
2. Reference(s):
Text of the "Hossbach Memorandum", 10 Nov 1937, from Yale Law
School,
HTML https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/hossbach.asp
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