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Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:14 pm
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I am taking it upon myself for the assistance of the Aryanist
movement and for those looking for recruitment to compile a list
of anti-tribalist quotes from/about Hitler and his true
associates/admirers. Please contribute if possible.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:16 pm
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[quote]’If…we examine the advantages and disadvantages of
keeping the races and tribes apart in our German fatherland, we
can see nothing but disadvantages! The German Volk would only be
more splintered, set against one another, atomized by stirring
up the racial problems; so it would be rendered insignificant as
far as foreign policy goes. That is why I have forbidden more
than once—and at the next Gauleiter conference I shall
unequivocally repeat my prohibition against—any talk or writing
about racial theory and the racial problem. We must do precisely
the opposite! The community of the Volk, the community of the
Volk, the community of the Volk—that must be our battle cry!
Everything that unites and allies the strata must be brought
out, cultivated, and promoted, and everything that separates
them, everything that serves to awaken the old prejudices must
be avoided, fought against, removed. We must make good the
mistakes that were made on both sides. Like Christ, we must
preach, ‘You are all brothers! Love one another!’’[/quote] (Otto
Wagener, Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, 1946 (in
German)/1978/1985, p. 213)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:19 pm
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[quote]'We must accept the mixing of blood as it is. We must not
call one blood worse than another, one mixture better than
another. Rather, we must employ other means to breed a higher
form from this gray mass. We must try to bring to the surface
the valuable traits of the people living in Germany, to
cultivate and to develop them, and we must find ways and means
to prevent the propagation of all the bad, inferior, criminal,
and decadent tendencies and all the congenital diseases so
damaging to the Volk.' [/quote] (Otto Wagener, Hitler: Memoirs
of a Confidant, 1946 (in German)/1978/1985, p. 214)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:24 pm
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[quote]'The Romans gathered the best students from their whole
empire in boarding institutions. There they were taught and
trained by the best teachers. This effort did not take the
fathers’ profession into consideration. Only foreign
races—Negroes and Jews—were excluded. In all other areas, Jews
enjoyed Roman liberties; Negroes, on the other hand, were
granted them only in exceptional cases, when they had made
themselves deserving through especially outstanding achievements
for the Empire. Jews could even become ‘Roman Citizens,’ as we
see in the case of Saint Paul. But the school for pages—that is,
the training school for the young men intended to enter public
service—was not open to them. I have a similar institution in
mind for Germany.'[/quote](Otto Wagener, Hitler: Memoirs of a
Confidant, 1946 (German)/1978/1985, p. 289)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:26 pm
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[quote]'The third point is that a person must be racially
flawless. Let him be Germanic, or Roman, or Chinese, or a Jew,
or an Indian, or a Negro, and so on. I respect all equally. We
can work with and count on all of them. Each has his established
traits. Depending on what one is looking for, this one or that
one is to be preferred for the job in question. It is no
different with people than with horses or dogs. Once one has
established the proper race for a particular task, one can rest
assured that the task will be resolved.'[/quote] (Otto Wagener,
Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, 1946 (in German)/1978/1985, p.
143)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:29 pm
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[quote]'Since Hitler paused briefly, Schemm noted: 'I’m very
glad, Herr Hitler, to hear you say this. There’s such a lot of
nonsense talked about blond men, about the Nordic race, about
the cult of Wotan and the spirit of the Edda, as if no one else
on the globe had any right to exist, or at best to exist only in
a second-class position, as subhuman creatures. These idiotic
windbags have no idea what harm their spouting causes. For all
they do is arouse inferiority complexes and hatred in those who
don’t happen to be lucky enough to be blond, and so they divide
the German Volk into two racial halves: the Germanic and the
non-Germanic people.'
'I’ve expressly and repeatedly forbidden this sort of thing!'
Hitler interrupted, flaring up. 'All that rubbish about the
Thing places, the solstice festivals, the Midgard snake, and all
the rest of the rubbish they dredge up from German prehistory!
Then they read Nietzsche with fifteen-year-old boys and, using
incomprehensible quotations, paint a picture of the superman,
exhorting the boys: ‘That is you—or that is what you are to
become.’'[/quote] (Otto Wagener, Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant,
1946 (in German)/1978/1985, p. 277)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 21, 2022, 5:31 pm
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On homosexuality:
[quote]''What people do in their beds’, Hitler used to say,
‘does not interest me so long as relationships do not prejudice
the State and its leadership.’'[/quote] (Heinz Linge, With
Hitler to the End)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: Panzerfaust Date: June 21, 2022, 10:29 pm
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Who is "Wagener" and why is it when I enter "Wagener, 1978/1985,
p. 143" into the google search engine I get links to the JSTOR
website?
What the Romans thought of race was already covered here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/what-did-the-romans-think-about-race/
How is this quote anti-tribalism: ''What people do in their
beds’, Hitler used to say, ‘does not interest me so long as
relationships do not prejudice the State and its leadership.’'?
The quote "You are all brothers! Love one another!’’ sounds
Jewish:
[quote]The slaughter of the firstborn reveals that clearly
enough. Just as they have done with us, the Jews had won the
great lower stratum of the population for themselves --
'Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!' -- until
one night they sent out the order, 'Down with the bourgeois!
Kill them, the dogs!' but things didn't turn out so well as they
had expected.[/quote]
HTML http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Bolshevism_From_Moses_to_Lenin.pdf
[quote]Liberté, égalité, fraternité (French pronunciation:
[libɛʁˈte eɡaliˈte
fʁatɛʁniˈte]), French for "liberty,
equality, fraternity",[1] is the national motto of France and
the Republic of Haiti, and is an example of a tripartite motto.
Although it finds its origins in the French Revolution, it was
then only one motto among others and was not institutionalized
until the Third Republic at the end of the 19th century.[2]
Debates concerning the compatibility and order of the three
terms began at the same time as the Revolution. It is also the
motto of the Grand Orient and the Grande Loge de France.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/secret-societies-and-occult-forces/
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: christianbethel Date: June 22, 2022, 3:11 pm
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'Who is "Wagener" and why is it when I enter "Wagener,
1978/1985, p. 143" into the google search engine I get links to
the JSTOR website?'
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wagener
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler:_Memoirs_of_a_Confidant
'What the Romans thought of race was already covered here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/what-did-the-romans-think-about-race/'
Nothing is covered on that thread. It's just a collection of
links to YouTube videos with no discussion whatsoever.
'How is this quote anti-tribalism: ''What people do in their
beds’, Hitler used to say, ‘does not interest me so long as
relationships do not prejudice the State and its leadership.’'?'
Homophobia is a form of tribalism.
'The quote "You are all brothers! Love one another!’’ sounds
Jewish:'
It's not. It's Christian - though I don't think it verbatim
appears in any of the four Gospels.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: Panzerfaust Date: June 22, 2022, 5:13 pm
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"Nothing is covered on that thread. It's just a collection of
links to YouTube videos with no discussion whatsoever."
Nothing is covered about how Romans saw race in this video?:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVWi3_FMjno
[quote]In classical antiquity Greek and Roman writers were
acquainted with people of every skin tone from very pale
(associated with populations from Scythia) to very dark
(associated with populations from sub-Saharan Africa
(Aethiopia). People described with words meaning "black", or as
Aethiopes, are occasionally mentioned throughout the Empire in
surviving writings, and people with very dark skin tones and
woolly hair are depicted in various artistic modes. Other words
for people with other skin tones were also used.
Skin tones did not carry any social implications and no social
identity, either imposed or assumed, was associated with skin
color. Though the color black was associated with ill-omen in
the ancient Roman religion, "the ancients did not fall into the
error of biological racism;... ancient society... for all its
faults and failures never made color the basis for judging a
man."[1] [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_ancient_Roman_history
[quote]Black Romans were central to Classical culture and not as
an exceptional few or as slaves or servants. They were soldiers
and traders, dramatists, poets, philosophers, theologians, and
emperors. We need to re-imagine imperial Romans as having a
completely unsurprising diversity of skin pigmentation.[/quote]
HTML https://theconversation.com/challenging-the-whiteness-of-classics-remembering-the-black-romans-175180
Therefore, this quote by Wagener cannot be correct historically
speaking:
[quote]'The Romans gathered the best students from their whole
empire in boarding institutions. There they were taught and
trained by the best teachers. This effort did not take the
fathers’ profession into consideration. [s]Only foreign
races—Negroes and Jews—were excluded.[/s] In all other areas,
Jews enjoyed Roman liberties; [s]Negroes, on the other hand,
were granted them only in exceptional cases, when they had made
themselves deserving through especially outstanding achievements
for the Empire.[/s] Jews could even become ‘Roman Citizens,’ as
we see in the case of Saint Paul. But the school for pages—that
is, the training school for the young men intended to enter
public service—was not open to them. I have a similar
institution in mind for Germany.' (Wagener, 1978/1985, p.
289)[/quote]
I would say the videos posted on that thread are very
accurate...
[quote]'What people do in their beds’, Hitler used to say, ‘does
not interest me so long as relationships do not prejudice the
State and its leadership.’[/quote]
In the context given these words by Hitler are not explicitly
anti-homophobic though, it is more a statist position than
anything I would argue. It can be used to prove Hitler could not
have been homophobic, however. By itself, it is not an
anti-homophobic statement. What about a relationship between a
dolphin and a human, as an example?
Not a fan personally of the rest of the Wagener quotes you
posted either really. To each their own though, I guess...
[quote]'The third point is that a person must be racially
flawless. Let him be Germanic, or Roman, or Chinese, or a Jew,
or an Indian, or a Negro, and so on. I respect all equally. We
can work with and count on all of them. Each has his established
traits. Depending on what one is looking for, this one or that
one is to be preferred for the job in question. It is no
different with people than with horses or dogs. Once one has
established the proper race for a particular task, one can rest
assured that the task will be resolved.' (Wagener, 1978/1985, p.
143)[/quote]
The ultimate goal of Aryanism is to create one universal race. I
do not feel that last quote by Wagener is anti-tribalist at all?
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