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Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: guest30 Date: June 21, 2022, 8:45 am
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When I tell the Liberal Western Psychologist to remove the word
"self-pity" (something word like "victimization" and
"self-victimization") which offend struggling oppressed people,
which it used to to bash victimhood culture. They say that they
promote that word not to offends any people. Just spread the
psychological information.
My arguments is, they promote offensive word to the audiences,
and the audiences can easily believe that such offensive word
are justified to use because it's part of psychological method
to cure people and to make people have "growth" mindset. So they
must remove that word if they want to empath to the victims. Any
better arguments?
I begin to think that Western psychological education help
people to be a rightist (reactionaries) and moderates
(relativist/liberals)
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Re: Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 21, 2022, 10:00 pm
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I wouldn't ask them to stop using the term "self-pity". I would
only ask them to stop using terms which are inaccurate.
"Self-pity" is not an inaccurate term for describing our
feelings, therefore there is no problem with it being used. The
only people who would be offended by being described as
"self-pitying" are those who themselves believe self-pity is
bad.
To us it should be obvious that absence of self-pity in response
to oppression indicates desensitization. The burden is now on
them to explain why they support desensitization to oppression.
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Re: Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: guest30 Date: June 22, 2022, 2:46 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]"...The burden is now on them to explain why they support
desensitization to oppression."[/quote]
They say that thinking of the past and demand justice to the
oppressor is unproductive and impossible. So better forget the
past and change our perception of the world in order to live
productively and happy. What about that? That is the main ideas
from Western psychological doctrine.
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Re: Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 22, 2022, 3:51 am
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"demand justice to the oppressor is unproductive and impossible"
We already covered productivity here:
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[quote]"because it's not productive"
Modern productivity is far too high as it is. We should be
trying to decrease productivity back to pre-colonial levels at
the very least (and if possible back to Golden Age levels
eventually). Spending more energy on retribution instead of
productivity thus serves two positive goals at once.[/quote]
Why is it impossible? And whether it is possible or not, we
still have a duty to try. Only by trying will we have any chance
of succeeding. And if we try, then even if we fail, at least we
did not betray the oppressed. To not even try is to betray the
oppressed.
"So better forget the past and change our perception of the
world in order to live productively and happy."
If happiness comes from betraying the oppressed, we should want
to be unhappy.
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Re: Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: guest63 Date: June 24, 2022, 1:27 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=1383.msg14262#msg14262
date=1655887876]
"demand justice to the oppressor is unproductive and impossible"
We already covered productivity here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-liberals/msg13808/#msg13808
[quote]"because it's not productive"
Modern productivity is far too high as it is. We should be
trying to decrease productivity back to pre-colonial levels at
the very least (and if possible back to Golden Age levels
eventually). Spending more energy on retribution instead of
productivity thus serves two positive goals at once.[/quote]
Why is it impossible? And whether it is possible or not, we
still have a duty to try. Only by trying will we have any chance
of succeeding. And if we try, then even if we fail, at least we
did not betray the oppressed. To not even try is to betray the
oppressed.
"So better forget the past and change our perception of the
world in order to live productively and happy."
If happiness comes from betraying the oppressed, we should want
to be unhappy.
[/quote]
It's really that simple, yet the Jews and the Gentiles like to
make everything complicated!
One thing that annoys me about many Portlanders (as intelligent
as they are) is that they are like this. Very consumerist and
very wasteful, along with never getting stuff done.
No wonder they are so broke and depressed.
Never Forgive and Never Forget.
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Re: Irresponsible Liberal Morality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 24, 2022, 8:23 pm
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Here is a good example of how a society that disregards
retribution ends up increasing productivity:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-nasa-official-says-russian-151913810.html
[quote]Former NASA official says a Russian designer famously
inspired Elon Musk to launch SpaceX by spitting on his shoes
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The SpaceX CEO famously decided to launch his own space venture
after he was spat on by a Russian engineer in 2001. Garver
commented on the incident in "Escaping Gravity: My Quest to
Transform NASA and Launch a New Space Age," published June 21.
"This act so completely offended Elon that he decided on the
flight home that he would start his own rocket company to
compete with them," Garver wrote.[/quote]
If only:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-duelling/
were still allowed, Musk and the other guy could simply have
fought to the death, and either way there would have been at
least one fewer (and, if we were lucky enough, two fewer)
machinist in the world by the end of it.
But because it wasn't, not only are both machinists still alive,
but Musk became motivated to compete with the other guy in
business instead, and now the whole universe is in much greater
danger than it otherwise would have been.
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