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       Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: guest30 Date: June 13, 2022, 9:53 pm
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       Every time I try to discussions with someone from an
       institution. They always say that my writings and sayings need
       to be make like a journal and scientific papers even though my
       short writings which not suit according Western complex
       scientific papers's requirement, are showing the facts about
       what happen today and the solution of it. Wht is the best
       argument to show that our arguments remain correct even tough
       said or written without Western complex scientific way?
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 13, 2022, 10:21 pm
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       Can you post an example of the writing style you prefer?
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: guest30 Date: June 13, 2022, 10:43 pm
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       @90sRetroFan
       I write like what you do in this forum, because your writings
       shows the superiority of simplicity on explaining facts and
       logics. And the Westernized academics don't approve your style
       of writing. They approve this kind of writing style in order to
       explain facts and logics :
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing#Scholarly_paper
       What the arguments I can say to them
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 13, 2022, 11:25 pm
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       You will have to show me something you have written in the past
       for me to see whether or not the Western academics' criticisms
       are justified. It also depends on what the subject is. A purely
       theoretical subject where conclusions logically follow from
       definitions would probably require a different presentation than
       a subject where we have to compare sources and try to figure out
       which are more reliable.
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: guest30 Date: June 14, 2022, 10:52 pm
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       This is my writings example :
       The characteristics of liberal people :
       1. Promoting relativism
       2. Promoting secularism
       3. Promoting democratization.
       Source :
       Shihab, Habib Rizieq. (2011). Hancurkan Liberalisme, Tegakkan
       Syariat Islam (Page 10). Jakarta : Suara Islam Press
       I make it more easy for ordinary people to understand. So, I not
       make many writings, sentences, and paragraphs. But the academics
       want more explanation, even though they already know what
       liberalism is.
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 14, 2022, 11:41 pm
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       I also think you need to provide elaboration. As it is, I don't
       even know if 1-3 are what you are trying to prove, or axioms
       which you intend to use to prove something else with.
       Besides, 3 is not necessarily true. It is entirely possible to
       be a liberal autocrat. If the majority are illiberal, democracy
       would lead to an illiberal society, therefore a liberal would
       support autocracy in order to preserve liberalism. Whereas a
       democrat would support democracy even if it leads to
       illiberalism. This is why the term "illiberal democracy"
       (referring to Orbanism) is being used more and more these days.
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: guest30 Date: June 15, 2022, 12:36 am
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       @90sRetroFan
       [quote]...It is entirely possible to be a liberal autocrat.
       ...[/quote]
       From my observation until now, there is not a single liberal
       country using autocracy. All of the autocratic countries are
       usually using socialism ideology.
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       Re: Westernized Academic Discussions
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 15, 2022, 12:50 am
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  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon
       [quote]Napoleon had an extensive impact on the modern world,
       bringing liberal reforms to the many countries he conquered,
       especially the Low Countries, Switzerland, and parts of modern
       Italy and Germany. He implemented liberal policies in France and
       Western Europe.[/quote]
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