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Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest30
Date: June 28, 2022, 4:57 am
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@90sRetroFan
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> [quote]"The offender is the people who insult the victim. The
victim is the people who are offended by him/her."
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What if both sides are offended by each other, and each claim
the other insulted themselves?[/quote]
That is why we need more observation on that two people
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> Have you bothered to watch the Karen videos we have posted?
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I see some of the statements you already made on that Karenism
topic. Indeed, sometimes, the offender can cleverly cover up
their crime
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> [quote]"And see their records of previous activity to show
that they are not deserve to be offended, and they are really
offended.
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According to whose judgement?[/quote]
From people who know that event, and they can be trusted because
they are morally good, or moral rational absolutist, not moral
traditional absolutist
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> [quote]"We can interview the victim for 3 or 5 days with full
attention."
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They will just say whatever makes themselves look good.[/quote]
The victim will tell about them honestly if we really show that
we want to help and side with the victim
#Post#: 14376--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 28, 2022, 8:10 pm
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"From people who know that event, and they can be trusted
because they are morally good, or moral rational absolutist, not
moral traditional absolutist"
Trump will say his supporters are morally good.
"The victim will tell about them honestly if we really show that
we want to help and side with the victim"
But you don't know who the victim is! The more you show you want
to side with the victim, the more both sides will each portray
themselves as the victim.
This is why duelling is the answer. It is not up to any
third-party (especially not the government) to decide who has
been offended in a private verbal dispute. Whoever is ready to
give up their own life to kill the other person is the one who
is offended. If both sides feel this way, it should be allowed
to happen. But if only one side feels this way, the other side
will surely back down (or have the opponent murdered prior to
the duel, whereupon a crime will have been committed and the
government can now intervene). Either way, the dispute is
resolved without any external opinion ever being invoked, and
hence no one else (especially not the government) can be accused
of favouritism.
#Post#: 14495--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest30
Date: July 5, 2022, 9:02 am
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@90sRetroFan
I ever debate with the Nusantaran liberals on Discord server, I
remind them about the danger of Zionism, Judaism, and
Westernization worldview based on the True Left's National
Socialist ideological doctrine. And I'm also promoting real
hard-opposition to the political and ideological opponents, like
open confrontation and hot debate because they are dangerous by
power. But I'm got cancel-cultured by them with silent treatment
way. They not answer every single of my arguments which mostly
based on this forum, only with satirical and condemnation of my
"radical" thinking. Are our ideas are wrong, or they don't want
to hear the facts?
#Post#: 14511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 5, 2022, 7:58 pm
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This is why you should post your debates on a blog so that
people can see how your opponents respond. Debating is not about
persuading your opponent; it is about making your opponent look
inferior in the eyes of the audience. Debating without an
audience is useless.
"Nusantaran liberals"
This is an oxymoron. Call them Indonesians FFS! Only True
Leftists can be Nusantarans!
#Post#: 14515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest78
Date: July 5, 2022, 8:43 pm
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> Debating is not about persuading your opponent; it is about
making your opponent look inferior in the eyes of the audience.
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This is why Monarchists do not debate. Debating is what people
living in Western-styled democracies do. This is one of the main
reasons Western-styled democracies always have mediocre
leadership at best.
Starting at 1:29:50 onward is well worth the listen in regards
to the point 90sRF and I made above:
John Allan Martinson Jr - Monarchism The Last Bastille Podcast
51
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhoYbdVMg9M
Can you even imagine a military attempting to function as a
democracy? No, neither can I. Yet, in most Western-styled
democracies the democratically elected President also functions
as the 'commander-in-chief'. This alone is extremely peculiar if
you really sit back and think about it...
#Post#: 14517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 5, 2022, 9:32 pm
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"This is why Monarchists do not debate."
This is not true. In historical monarchies, it was common
practice for the monarch to get ministers with opposing views to
debate on topics of the monarch's choice, with the monarch as
the sole audience, asking questions to both sides and ultimately
deciding which side won.
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> Debating is what people living in Western-styled democracies
do.
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No, deciding who won a debate based on majority opinion is what
people living in Western-styled democracies do.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest30
Date: July 6, 2022, 12:25 am
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@90sRetroFan
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> No, deciding who won a debate based on majority opinion is
what people living in Western-styled democracies do.
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From this news information which posted on 19 January 2016 14 :
34 (3 years ago). We know that the majority of British people
proud of the British colonialism in the past.
Source :
HTML https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-people-are-proud-of-colonialism-and-the-british-empire-poll-finds-a6821206.html
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> "The British public are generally proud of their country’s
role in colonialism and the British Empire, according to a new
poll.
>
> ...
>
> YouGov found 44 per cent were proud of Britain’s history of
colonialism while only 21 per cent regretted that it happened.
23 per cent held neither view.
>
> The same poll also asked about whether the British Empire was
a good thing or a bad thing: 43 per cent said it was good, while
only 19 per cent said it was bad. 25 per cent responded that it
was “neither”.
>
> “I think there is an enormous amount to be proud of in what
the British Empire did and was responsible for,” Mr Cameron said
in 2013 on a visit to India.
>
> “But of course there were bad events as well as good events.
The bad events we should learn from and the good events we
should celebrate" - David Cameroon, Former British Prime
Minister (11 July 2010 - 13 July 2016)"
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If we using democratic way of thinking. We will justify that the
British Colonial Empire was good.
But if we using what is the true or wrong based on rational mind
and moral principle. We will justify that London Blitz in 1940
need to happen again.
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/London_Blitz_791940.jpg/1200px-London_Blitz_791940.jpg
Picture Source : View along the River Thames in London towards
smoke rising from the London docks after an air raid during the
Blitz. 7 September 1940 - Wikipedia (Link/URL :
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/London_Blitz_791940.jpg/1200px-London_Blitz_791940.jpg)
HTML https://cdn.britannica.com/81/142181-050-F07B28D6/dome-smoke-fire-bombing-raid-St-Pauls-Cathedral-1940.jpg
Picture Source : the Blitz World War II - History - Britannica
(Link/URL :
HTML https://cdn.britannica.com/81/142181-050-F07B28D6/dome-smoke-fire-bombing-raid-St-Pauls-Cathedral-1940.jpg)
[img]
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/f92a73df93569fa43e9cdc95d228abbc/2863b1bc0ffa2a0f-fb/s640x960/f72aa9fb3ac4bd202a55a52ddd1d35c2cae85bde.pnj[/img]
Picture Source : The Longest Night: The Bombing of London on May
10, 1941 Cover - Amazon (Link/URL :
HTML https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91F-4cirpVL.jpg)
#Post#: 14567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest30
Date: July 7, 2022, 11:37 pm
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@90sRetroFan
The liberals say that today's liberal world is has less war and
conflicts compared to the previous era. We already feel
comfortable with fredom of speeches and freedom of expressions,
and not want any revolution. What is the good answer for it?
#Post#: 14568--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 7, 2022, 11:57 pm
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"today's liberal world is has less war and conflicts"
That is not true:
HTML https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xVUWN1s7lxx0rqahI2gJituVnSw=/0x0:3088x2018/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:3088x2018):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3816326/ourworldindata_wars-long-run-military-civilian-fatalities-from-brecke1.0.png
#Post#: 14569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
DIR By: guest30
Date: July 8, 2022, 12:15 am
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@90sRetroFan
They not consider colonial era was part of liberalism trend.
They consider colonial era was different context.
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