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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 20, 2022, 6:20 am
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@90sRetroFan
Then, many of them will emigrate to your country, and they full
of libtards and the Eurocentrist right whom you hate.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2022, 8:01 pm
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The most suitable destinations for them are Portugal,
Netherlands, France and Britain (as well as former British
Empire countries, especially Australia). Recall:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-liberals/msg13930/#msg13930
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 23, 2022, 5:27 am
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@90sRetroFan
United States's leftist are very liberal by mindset. What
solution which you working on to educate them? They strongly
reject the truth with reason that everyone have their own truth,
how illogical the reasons are. They preserving pluralism. Not
preserving good individual ideas for oppressed people, or
individualism.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 23, 2022, 5:45 am
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"United States's leftist are very liberal by mindset."
Not any more.
"They strongly reject the truth with reason that everyone have
their own truth"
Do they support Trump having his own truth that he won the 2020
election? Do they support "white" supremacists having their own
truth that "whites" are superior? Do they support
homophobes/transphobes having their own truth that LGBT is
mental illness?
"What solution which you working on to educate them?"
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 23, 2022, 10:17 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]Do they support Trump having his own truth that he won
the 2020 election? Do they support "white" supremacists having
their own truth that "whites" are superior? Do they support
homophobes/transphobes having their own truth that LGBT is
mental illness?[/quote]
They support it, they not doing anything when Trump win
election, they not doing anything when "White" Supremacist
spread their ideas. They just pretend like they will not
influence the majority of Americans. If they are doing
absolutism, there will be a mass purge and report to the white
nationalist places and headquarters. But of course, tolerance is
their main ideas, so they will care about peace rather than
idealism. It means keep the rightist not make a riot across
United States because of their political movement, for the sake
peaceful living This is why the nations in "Africa" continent,
North Korea, Syria, and majority of Nusantara people begin to
align themselves with Russia rather than the West (Include US).
I'm not joking, this is the reality. That is the problem, See
this information :
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou2U5jXyLCk
[quote](Shown on April 8, 2022)
“African leaders, opposition figures and social influencers are
increasing their support for the Kremlin. Even as Russia's image
elsewhere is being torn apart by the war in Ukraine. Some of the
most vocal defenders of Russian President Vladimir Putin are
pan-African. the anti-imperialist doctrine of African unity that
developed at the height of the cold war.
"Putin wants to get his country back," "He has no blood of
slavery and colonialism on his hands," - Kemi Seba Pan Africa
France Benin, March 2022
In Uganda the strong son of veteran leader lieutenant general
Muhoozi Kainerugaba is another strong Putin supporter, tweeting
in late February that he revealed that the non-white majority of
humanity supports Russia's stance in Ukraine.
On the other hand, on March 2nd, members of the UN general
assembly voted overwhelmingly to condemn the invasion of
Ukraine. However, of the 30 countries that abstained, nearly
half of the 16 countries were in Africa. In addition, it was
Eritrea that voted against the resolution, while eight other
African countries did not cast their votes.
According to Muhammad Tawar, a researcher at the University of
Malmo in Sweden, most abstaining countries are authoritarian
regimes or countries with historical ties to Russia, often
militarily dating back to the Soviet era.
"The majority of (non-white) humans supported Russia in the
Ukraine war. Putin was right! When Soviet Russia placed nuclear
missiles on Cuba in 1962, the West was ready to make the world
explode over it. Now, when NATO does the same, they expect
Russia is doing something different?" - Muhoozi
Kainerugaba[/quote]
[img width=960
height=1280]
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/09118339840cdd54795e6c1a1afddbde/9985c8b5605d1a45-6c/s2048x3072/54038a874eee28e9cd61f8dea3dd9fe4ab388a3b.jpg[/img]
Seen on YouTube, many of Nusantarans support Russia
[img width=960
height=1280]
HTML https://64.media.tumblr.com/209b82c21f7943107e94c4ed1f95c8df/be7f870360c82911-db/s2048x3072/b40d6968c82abfe10930cd518017a638c44996ac.jpg[/img]
[img width=960
height=1280]
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOFHvDHVm8
[quote](Shown on 4 March 2022)
"North Korea Supports Russia, 141 Countries Against"[/quote]
[quote]
HTML https://www.ssatripura.com/countries-supporting-ukraine-russia/
Indirectly, a few countries are in support of the Russian
Invasion or acting not to be in favour or against any country
i.e. Russia or Ukraine. These countries are:
Syria has expressed its support for Moscow’s recognization of
the republics in eastern Ukraine.
Iran has justified Russian Invasion Moves by saying it is rooted
in NATO Provocations.
UAE and Saudi Arabia have refused to condemn Russian actions.
They are acting as being neutral.
Kazakhstan has stayed away from public analysis however not
favored Russia and chose not to send troops for a joint military
activity.
Armenia has cast a vote against removing Russia from the Council
of Europe however has kept a low profile on the
invasion.[/quote]
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 24, 2022, 12:05 am
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"They support it, they not doing anything when Trump win
election"
They are calling it the Big Lie. They are not saying "everyone
has their own truth" as you claimed.
"many of Nusantarans support Russia"
If they support Russia, they cannot be called Nusantarans.
In any case, I suspect it is mainly due to shared homophobia.
Portraying Russia as the champion of homophobia and America as
the champion of LGBT is part of Dugin's strategy to win over
homophobes all over the world:
HTML https://bostonreview.net/articles/putins-anti-gay-war-on-ukraine/
[quote]The reality is that the Kremlin has constructed a
pernicious ideology of homophobia as geopolitics
...
In numerous speeches, Putin has positioned Russia as an
international leader in the defense of “traditional values.” In
this way, gender conservatism contributes to carving out a
meaningful geopolitical role for Russia in a world order where
LGBT rights have become international politics
...
The Kremlin and other actors actively promote this narrative
beyond Russia’s borders. The rhetoric of “traditional values”
and its concomitant geopolitical worldview are circulated in
Kremlin-loyal Russian media and consumed by many
Russian-speakers in nearby countries. As historian Bethany
Moreton just noted in these pages, in transnational
organizations promoting “family values” such as the World
Congress of Families, Russian pro-Putin oligarchs fraternize
with U.S. evangelicals, ultra-conservative Catholic
organizations, and parts of the European radical right, seeking
common strategies to combat “gender ideology”—a catch-all term
of derision used to describe everything from abortion and sex-ed
in schools to trans rights and same-sex marriage. In the United
Nations, meanwhile, Russia has worked together with some states
in the Islamic world and Sub-Saharan Africa, and more recently,
nationalist populist regimes such as Poland and Brazil, to roll
back sexual and reproductive rights.
...
the narrative of Russia standing up for “traditional values”
against a degenerated West has long-standing roots in Russian
intellectual history.
...
According to historian Dan Healey, discourses on gender and
sexuality in Russia have been shaped by a “tripartite geography
of perversion” where Russia is imagined as an in-between space
of sexual morality and innocence, neither part of the “decadent”
West or the “primitive” Orient. Such a moral mapping influenced
the conservative gender politics of the 1930s Stalin regime,
when the Communists reintroduced the ban on sodomy (which had
been lifted after the 1917 revolution) and explicitly depicted
homosexuality as a security threat in the form of underground,
pro-Hitler networks of homosexuals—Healey calls the conservative
turn under Stalin the “birth of modern Russian political
homophobia.”[/quote]
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 24, 2022, 12:58 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]If they support Russia, they cannot be called
Nusantarans.
[/quote]
Sukarno cannot be called as Nusantarans? He strongly allied with
Soviet Russia rather than the Chinese Communist. And He ordered
their government officials to expelled more than 50.000 Chinese
people on our land because they behave monopolistic on their
business activities. Many Chinese were brutally harassed by the
Nusantarans during that time and they leave our land.
Today Islamic Socialist Organization FPI (Front Persaudaraan
Islam) also share the same views with Sukarno.
And, most of our Nusantara heroes have less problem to Russia
rather than to, Chinese for example. In Bersiap Periode during
national revolution against Netherlands colonialism, our local
militia doing mass rape and killings to the Netherlands
Europeans and the Chinese people. And no one have problem with
Russia. During 1826s our national hero Pangeran Diponegoro also
had no problem with Russia, only with the Dutch and the Chinese
people who most of them worked with them for business. And the
result is mass genocide of the Chinese people by the Nusantara
troops.
[quote]In any case, I suspect it is mainly due to shared
homophobia. Portraying Russia as the champion of homophobia and
America as the champion of LGBT is part of Dugin's strategy to
win over homophobes all over the world: ...[/quote]
They support Russia not because their gender worldviews. But
because they shared memory of anti-colonialism during Russia
become Soviet Socialist. See information below :
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoPf1dgzZMk
(Shown on March 18, 2022)
"...The reason why Indonesian netizens are pro-Russian. The
first is the strong anti-American and anti-Western attitude in
society. This sentiment has emerged since the United States
intensified its war on terror, military campaigns to hunt down
terrorists such as in Iraq and Afghanistan. few netizens
sympathize with what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. As a
result, anyone who opposes the United States or the West will be
defended. ..."[/quote]
The problem is, Nusantarans mostly hate Chinese and the West,
not Russia. They keep being good on Russians, including Russian
tourist in Bali. It's difficult to give the reason to public why
Nusantarans must hate Russia. They never oppressed directly or
indirectly by Russia.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 24, 2022, 2:24 am
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"The problem is, Nusantarans mostly hate Chinese and the West,
not Russia."
Russia is a Western country. Anyone who does not consider Russia
a Western country does not deserve to be called Nusantaran.
You should try to teach people to include Russia within their
mental conception of Western civilization. Use this map:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg9846/#msg9846
[quote][img width=1280
height=690]
HTML https://commons.princeton.edu/mg/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Household_and_Family_Structures.jpg[/img]
...
(The above map also makes clear that Russia (often excluded from
"the West" by mainstream journalism) is in fact socially
Western.)[/quote]
Also show them examples of Russian aesthetics, which are
unmistakably Western:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg12948/?topicseen#msg12948
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg12083/#msg12083
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7947/?topicseen#msg7947
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4414/#msg4414
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4413/?topicseen#msg4413
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3941/#msg3941
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3940/?topicseen#msg3940
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3911/?topicseen#msg3911
I am sure you can find many more examples of your own if you
spend some time.
"It's difficult to give the reason to public why Nusantarans
must hate Russia."
Russia is the only Western colonial empire which still hasn't
given back its stolen land:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/msg13916/#msg13916
Therefore however much you hate the Netherlands and other
Western colonial empires, you should hate Russia more.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 24, 2022, 3:28 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]Russia is the only Western colonial empire which still
hasn't given back its stolen land:[/quote]
What about "Midwest" United States and "Canada"? I found
difficulties to totally condemn Russia until the "North America"
and "Oceania" got heavy condemnation of their land too. That is
the real reason... So forgive me if I'm too empathic to the
redskin people...
And also... What about this quote from famous man?
[quote]Stalin: in 1937, he declared: 'I'm not a European, but a
Russified Georgian-Asiatic.
Stalin: Russia is an Asiatic country, and I myself am an
Asiatic.”
Source :
HTML https://www.quora.com/Did-Stalin-consider-himself-to-be-West-Asian-or-European[/quote]
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 24, 2022, 4:21 am
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"I found difficulties to totally condemn Russia until the "North
America" and "Oceania" got heavy condemnation of their land
too."
I have always encouraged your hostility towards Australia, which
still uses the British colonial flag and recognizes Elizabeth
Windsor as head of state. Still, at least Australia is a
separate country from Britain. And the US is totally separate
from Britain. Most importantly, the US steadily undergoing the
Great Replacement, so it is strategically stupid to be hostile
towards the US now. Instead, you should be helping us prepare a
key seat for the US among the other former victims of Western
colonialism, which is how the US will surely learn to see itself
after the Great Replacement is complete.
In any case, you have not refuted my argument that Russia is
worse than the Netherlands. Therefore, since you claim to hate
the Netherlands, you should at least hate Russia more than you
hate the Netherlands.
"And also... What about this quote from famous man?"
"Asiatic" is a Eurocentric term in the first place.
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