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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 11, 2022, 4:12 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]Also, you can try debating rightists and see how their
response differs from that of False Leftists.[/quote]
The rightist on Nusantara usually politically want to defend
their culture and tradition which already preserved for hundreds
of years. And they don't like Islamic Nusantara people because
they not want their culture to be replaced by Islamic culture.
And they ally with Nusantara liberal leftist politicians. There
is also Islamic people's movement called "Islam Nusantara".
which their goal is adapting Islamic teachings to the
Nusantarans without erasing their old culture and tradition. And
also adapting Islam to Western Democratic Liberal culture
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 20, 2022, 2:51 am
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@90sRetroFan
The liberals also say if we enforce the truth to others, others
will not interested to hear us anymore. Because everyone have
their own version of truth. What about that?
My answer is, anything close to empathy is always the truth. And
anything which close to oppression is wrong. Have you another
answer?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2022, 3:09 am
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By enforcing one version of truth, those who agree will stay and
those who disagree will leave. This is what we call folkish
sorting:
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By failing to enforce one truth, no folkish sorting occurs, and
society is in greater disorder as a result.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest78 Date: June 20, 2022, 3:11 am
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[quote]The liberals also say if we enforce the truth to others,
others will not interested to hear us anymore. Because everyone
have their own version of truth. What about that?[/quote]
Not too hard to tell who doesn't walk in truth:
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 20, 2022, 4:10 am
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@90sRetroFan @NSFAN
[quote][quote]By enforcing one version of truth, those who agree
will stay and those who disagree will leave. This is what we
call folkish sorting: ...[/quote]
[quote]Golden Rule : "Do unto others as you would have them unto
you" - Matt. 7 : 12[/quote][/quote]
The result, I come to the WhatsApp group of 230 liberals. I
debate them with the facts, sources, and reasons. Only 3 who are
agree with me. Not everyone agree with our theories. And their
response is pure satirizing me and answer without sources and
rational reasons. am I fail? Is there another solutions?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2022, 4:26 am
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"Only 3 who are agree with me."
Recruit them!
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 20, 2022, 4:32 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]Recruit them![/quote]
So, if we enforce our ideals on a state. We need to behave like
Stalin whom Hitler admire his dictatorial methods. Control
people totally. Seeing that the majority are tend to side with
the ideology which give them liberty (liberals), or give them
pride (traditionalist).
Democracy is the worst barrier to our victory
And, I am not supporting communist with admiring Stalin. Just to
show you that he was the dictator who have the best methods of
dictatorship. Hitler and Mussolini admire him because his ideas
and governmental attitude which make him away from Marxism. Both
Stalin and Hitler kill millions of "whites". That's admirable
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2022, 4:45 am
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"Control people totally."
No, the more we control people, the less we know who is
sincerely on our side and who is merely pretending to be on our
side our of fear. Communists think there is no difference.
National Socialists think this is the most important difference.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 20, 2022, 5:01 am
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@90sRetroFan
In Nusantara, only 1 party which it's ideology are leftist
Islamist, that is :
1. PKS (Partai Keadilan Sejahtera) (Autocratic Islamist)
2 parties which it's ideology are moderates, that is :
1. PKB (Partai Kebangkitan Bersama) (Liberal Democratic
Islamist)
2. PSI (Partai Solidaritas Indonesia) (Liberal Progressive
Democrats)
5 big parties which it's ideology are rightist
1. Golkar (Golongan Karya) (Progressive Right)
2. NasDem (Nasional Demokrasi) (Progressive Centrist)
3. PDIP (Partai Demokrasi Indonesia Perjuangan) (Progressive
Centrist)
4. Gerindra (Gerakan Indonesia Raya) (Nationalist Progressive
Right)
5. Demokrat (Nationalist Right)
There are some of political groups but not yet being official
party like :
1. Front Persaudaraan Islam (FPI) (National Islamic Socialism,
Sukarnoist)
2. Hizbut at Tahrir (International Islamic Socialism,
Mohammedanism)
So, how can they will obey the original national ideals without
total control, most of the dominant party in Nusantara are
rightist? And the national ideals were Islamic leftism
non-democracy
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 20, 2022, 5:33 am
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"how can they will obey the original national ideals without
total control"
They won't obey. That's what we want! We don't want them to
obey! WE WANT THEM TO EMIGRATE!
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