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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 7, 2022, 6:22 am
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@90sRetroFan
Now, the difficult arguments from the liberals :
For what we have a nation, if it only make our life is boring,
short, full of censorship, rules and mass execution. That is a
failed nation. Look at the Scandinavian nations and United
States, the nation which their people are the most happy and
life in advanced technology. The nation with many restrictions
will resulting many riots and demonstrations.
What the best answer for this? My answer is because our nation
is made to destroy the oppressors, not make people happy. But I
don't think that my argument are strong enough
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest78 Date: June 7, 2022, 1:10 pm
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I think "happiness indexes" are ridiculous to begin with, but my
question is how can the U.S. be moving up in the happiness chart
in the last year considering everything that is plaguing that
nation? This does not make sense to me? A 'red coup' and a
'collapsing empire' makes people happier? A government that
completely fumbled it's Covid-19 response makes people happier?
How is this possible?
HTML https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/world-happiness-ranking-2022-where-the-united-states-ranks-now.html
Westerners are lunatics, that is the only way to explain these
charts in my mind...
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 7, 2022, 8:04 pm
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"Look at the Scandinavian nations and United States, the nation
which their people are the most happy and life in advanced
technology."
Therefore they should emigrate to Scandinavian countries or the
US.
"The nation with many restrictions will resulting many riots and
demonstrations."
Instead of rioting/demonstrating, those who dislike the
restrictions should emigrate.
"What the best answer for this?"
Tell them to emigrate.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 7, 2022, 8:42 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]"The nation with many restrictions will resulting many
riots and demonstrations."
[quote]Instead of rioting/demonstrating, those who dislike the
restrictions should emigrate.[/quote][/quote]
We will told to emigrate by the rightist if we don't like today
nation's situation, which already favour rightism. So, make a
political battle, or emigrate?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 7, 2022, 9:15 pm
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What do you mean by rightism? Liberals are False Leftists, so
are you talking about a different group now?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 7, 2022, 9:25 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]"Look at the Scandinavian nations and United States, the
nation which their people are the most happy and life in
advanced technology."
[quote]Therefore they should emigrate to Scandinavian countries
or the US.[/quote][/quote]
If we use this argument. Then they, the false-left and also the
rightist also use that argument to counter us back. I already
tell with it to them. And they tell me back with that same
argument to me.
Like, "If you don't want today condition of [s]Indonesia[/s]
Nusantara (Which is liberal democracy), leave and go to
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria"
#Post#: 13930--------------------------------------------------
Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 7, 2022, 9:46 pm
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No, they are the ones who should emigrate, because prior to the
colonial era Nusantara was not democratic. Nusantara was only
introduced to democracy after being invaded by the Western
colonial powers:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_colonialism_in_Indonesian_history
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company_in_the_Malay_Archipelago#Subject_population
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_British_interregnum_in_the_Dutch_East_Indies
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straits_Settlements
Therefore those who like democracy should move to the former
Western colonial powers while Nusantara should try to return to
how it used to be before the colonial era.
In contrast, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria never colonized
Nusantara, therefore they owe Nusantara nothing.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 8, 2022, 7:36 pm
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@90sRetroFan
When I discuss with liberals. They always say that we must say
anything with trusted sources. And the way to get it is show to
them that we already meet and talk the primary informant
directly. Whether the information is logically true, if we
cannot prove that we got it from the trusted sources or primary
sources. We are not considered as telling the truth. What the
best answer for this? I already answer that problem with my
argument that anything which logically true can be considered as
true whether it comes not from the primary sources.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 8, 2022, 10:26 pm
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This is why whenever possible we should argue against our
enemies using only statements that our enemies provide. Since
they provided the statement, that already implies they consider
it reliable (or else why provide it?). So when we then use that
statement to substantiate our position by offering a different
worldview with which to interpret that statement, they can then
not attack the reliability of the statement (because they
themselves were the ones who brought it into the discussion in
the first place)!
For example:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-liberals/msg13871/#msg13871
[quote]"Islamic and socialist system are obsolete, backward, and
failed."
Vampires will think of mortals as obsolete, backward and failed.
Does that mean mortals should want to become vampires? No, it
means we should want to become vampire slayers![/quote]
At no point do I dispute their accusation of our obsolescence,
backwardness and failure. I merely propose a different way of
viewing the accusation.
If a vampire offers me immortality, my concern is not that the
offer might be fake, but why I should refuse the offer even if
it is real.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 9, 2022, 9:38 pm
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@90sRetroFan
And, the liberals use the terms which used by psychological
teachings to insult us like "mentally unstable", "immature",
"not grateful", "stuck in the past", "not want to compete",
"jealously", "waste of time", and others. It happens when we
constantly complain and try to make the oppressors feel guilty,
and according to them it's not impossible to do that. Because
they more tend to adapt and work together with the people who
ever oppress them, and they do that for productivity and let go
their feelings of injustice, so they will "happy" based on their
view.
What is the solution for that? What I can say to them is, "the
bullies, the capitalist conglomerates, the colonialist, the Jews
will say that thing to us, so you, the liberals indirectly
justify their evil behaviour". Is that good argument to debunk
the liberals? Or you have some arguments which debunk them more
accurate...
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