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Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: May 31, 2022, 12:58 am
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I say that the oppressors must be punished and removed from
society in order to prevent the oppression from happening. But
they say that removing and destroy the oppressors did not change
anything. If we remove one oppressors, it will happen again from
another oppressors and we will do the same thing again to them.
What is the best answer for this statement?
And they say there is no such thing like "truth". So from that
we cannot judge other people, because doing that will make us
feel the most correct, and it's attitude is wrong according to
them. Because we need to observe some people or organization
both from analyzing and meet and talk to them directly to make a
conclusion. And also this statement is also supported by
psychological teachings. What is the best answer for this
statement?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 31, 2022, 2:43 am
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"I say that the oppressors must be punished and removed from
society in order to prevent the oppression from happening."
I say that oppressors must be punished for oppression already
committed in the past. If you take the position that punishment
is only justified for preventing future oppression, that would
imply that whatever method is most effective in preventing
future oppression is what we should support, which leaves it
open to liberals to offer other methods that they claim are more
effective than punishment. On the other hand, if you take the
position that punishment for past oppression is needed for its
own sake, you force liberals who want to disagree to have to
argue outright that punishment for past oppression is wrong,
which exposes their lack of concern for retribution.
"If we remove one oppressors, it will happen again from another
oppressors and we will do the same thing again to them. What is
the best answer for this statement?"
This is why we need to eliminate their bloodlines, something I
have repeated thousands of times by now.
"And they say there is no such thing like "truth". So from that
we cannot judge other people, because doing that will make us
feel the most correct, and it's attitude is wrong according to
them. Because we need to observe some people or organization
both from analyzing and meet and talk to them directly to make a
conclusion. And also this statement is also supported by
psychological teachings. What is the best answer for this
statement?"
For them to be able to claim that the attitude of feeling
correct is wrong, they themselves are already feeling themselves
to be more correct than those who disagree. They are judging
other people for judging other people, which means they
themselves are already judging other people. Therefore they
contradict themselves.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: May 31, 2022, 6:50 pm
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@90sRetroFan
"I say that oppressors must be punished for oppression already
committed in the past. ..."
The liberals always say that remembering the past and blaming
other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and "mentally
unstable", even though they are who really guilty. Is the best
arguments is to fight them, or give them one more arguments at
least? And they also say that we must do instrospection on
ourselves rather than focus on make the oppressors take
responsibility for their cruelty or crime, because it's not
productive according to them...
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 31, 2022, 9:01 pm
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"The liberals always say that remembering the past and blaming
other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and "mentally
unstable""
They are correct. However, a victim mentality is better than
dismissing victimization, childishness is better than
adulteration, and mental instability is better than a crushed
spirit. Therefore we must always remember the past and those who
have initiated violence in the past. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER
FORGET.
"we must do instrospection on ourselves"
We are already vegans FFS.
"rather than focus on make the oppressors take responsibility
for their cruelty or crime"
Why can't we do both?
"because it's not productive"
Modern productivity is far too high as it is. We should be
trying to decrease productivity back to pre-colonial levels at
the very least (and if possible back to Golden Age levels
eventually). Spending more energy on retribution instead of
productivity thus serves two positive goals at once.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: May 31, 2022, 9:47 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]"The liberals always say that remembering the past and
blaming other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and
"mentally unstable""
[quote]They are correct. However, a victim mentality is better
than dismissing victimization, childishness is better than
adulteration, and mental instability is better than a crushed
spirit. Therefore we must always remember the past and those who
have initiated violence in the past. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER
FORGET.[/quote][/quote]
Then, if their attitude are like that, how can they condemn
colonialism and support nationalism? Seeing being
anti-colonialist and nationalist is honoring the tragedy of the
past. We should not trust the liberals, they are liars. They say
that they are morally more good because of their tolerance, but
they ruthlessly bully the so-called "victim-mentality" people...
[quote]"rather than focus on make the oppressors take
responsibility for their cruelty or crime"
[quote]Why can't we do both?[/quote][/quote]
The liberals have an absolute belief, that humans not always
true, but they can be false, so instrospection is compulsory for
them rather than correcting and judging others, they always say
that thing all the time.
Then, from the short discussion above, United States will be
better if they change their flag, way of life, and also their
political ideology like what you wish. And liberals are not our
friend, but the absolutist BLM, Antifa, and also NFAC. Both
liberals and conservatives need to be led by them, if many of
them disagree, then purge and "Kristallnacht" agenda is the
solution. Why should we care to that two of degenerate political
worldviews... Debating with the liberals for the sake of
so-called "jump-ship" did not make any progress. They can
evading discussion with say, "Everyone has a perspective, and
their perspectives want to be heard, so don't be the righteous
and judging others"
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 31, 2022, 9:55 pm
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"Debating with the liberals for the sake of so-called
"jump-ship" did not make any progress."
It will when liberals figure out that liberalism is incapable of
defeating rightism. Then, for the sake of preventing rightist
victory, they will want to learn a form of leftism that is
capable of defeating rightism. Our task for now is to make sure
they know that this is precisely what we are ready to supply
them with. This is why we should keep debating them.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 5, 2022, 5:47 am
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The liberals say that most of progressive liberal nations people
live in longer age and happiness. So they not feel that the
revolution is needed to change to something better society. And
so-called "developed nations" liberals also want their nation to
imitate them. And their strong arguments when they got debated
is the real example of progressive nations. And it become of
their main arguments to debunk that Islamic and socialist system
are obsolete, backward, and failed. What do you think about
that?
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 5, 2022, 8:29 pm
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"The liberals say that most of progressive liberal nations
people live in longer age and happiness."
This is a sign of their inferiority. Superior people cannot be
happy knowing stuff like this goes on every day:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
Therefore we can conclude that liberalism desensitizes people to
evil. Vampires are immortal by drinking blood. Progressivism is
vampirism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg10963/#msg10963
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg10326/#msg10326
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9632/#msg9632
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg1134/#msg1134
"Islamic and socialist system are obsolete, backward, and
failed."
Vampires will think of mortals as obsolete, backward and failed.
Does that mean mortals should want to become vampires? No, it
means we should want to become vampire slayers!
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: guest30 Date: June 5, 2022, 8:56 pm
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@90sRetroFan
Then, we cannot see the liberals as a leftist even though they
consider themselves as a "leftist". Their behaviour themselves
are moderate, or still tolerate anything that threaten leftist
ideology like capitalism, exclusivism, and moral neutrality. I
don't know why the liberals consider themselves as a moral
people.
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Re: Debate with the Liberals
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 5, 2022, 9:18 pm
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That is why we call them False Leftist.
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