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Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: Flutter
Date: August 20, 2020, 4:30 pm
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Any ideas why Savitri Devi chose to associate with the blatantly
racist (among other things) British National Party?
HTML https://www.savitridevi.org/images/photo-friends12.jpg
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: Flutter
Date: August 20, 2020, 6:20 pm
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HTML http://cdn.counter-currents.com/radio/GantryTape1Part1.mp3
29 minutes in it's implied that she was a "lesbian", so I guess
that's a win for the Gender Issues page (which would certainly
piss off the homophobic John Tyndall!). 42 minutes in though,
peroxiding her hair to be more "Aryan"? That's not in line with
the main sites ideas at all, if true.
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 20, 2020, 7:38 pm
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Too bad the original NS didn't have access to all the
information we now do. I always try and keep that thought in
mind when viewing NS history. On that same note though,
considering what information they had available to them it is
quite amazing where they ended up ideologically, especially
Hitler.
Lest we also forget that Savitri Devi spied on the allies for
the axis powers....
Many also sought her knowledge and wisdom while she was still
alive, from all walks of life.
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: FuckDugin
Date: August 20, 2020, 8:17 pm
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When evaluating historic National Socialists, we also need to
keep in mind that they were socialized in an entirely different
climate than we are. Devi grew up in France, at that time one of
the epicenters of Western civilization, still during the
colonial age. The racism of the BNP likely didn't differ much
from the level of racism she was already used to, so it could
have easily slipped past her radar, leading her to assume they
were on the same page simply based on her BNP-contacts'
self-identification as National Socialists.
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 21, 2020, 12:41 am
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At that time in the UK, it would probably have appeared easier
to try to persuade on other issues a party already hostile
towards Jews than to try to create hostility towards Jews among
other parties. BDS and the associated leftist hostility towards
Jews did not exist back then (BDS was only founded in 2005). In
conjunction, Savitri Devi already knew she did not have long to
live (she died in 1982, the same year the BNP was founded(!)),
hence could not expect to have many years to spend waiting for a
better organization to come along, but had to take her last shot
with with whatever was immediately available at the time. In
light of this, her association with the BNP is understandable.
My best guess is that she had hoped that the fledgling BNP would
incorporate some of her ideas in order to distinguish itself
from the NF (from which the BNP was splitting), thus at least
creating a comparatively more ethical party to rival the NF.
With that said, Savitri's grasp of Aryan racial theory was very
messy. She never provided a central definition of the term in
her own writings, but made only peripheral judgements on who was
or was not Aryan based on throwaway criteria (mostly while
writing about other subjects!). While Savitri and I might agree
on an individual historical figure's Aryan quality, we are more
likely than not to differ in where we guess their blood came
from. For example, Savitri credited Akhnaten's Aryan blood to
alleged Hittite ancestry, whereas I credit it to Puntian
ancestry.
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: Flutter
Date: August 21, 2020, 3:39 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> At that time in the UK, it would probably have appeared easier
to try to persuade on other issues a party already hostile
towards Jews than to try to create hostility towards Jews among
other parties. BDS and the associated leftist hostility towards
Jews did not exist back then (BDS was only founded in 2005). In
conjunction, Savitri Devi already knew she did not have long to
live (she died in 1982, the same year the BNP was founded(!)),
hence could not expect to have many years to spend waiting for a
better organization to come along, but had to take her last shot
with with whatever was immediately available at the time. In
light of this, her association with the BNP is understandable.
My best guess is that she had hoped that the fledgling BNP would
incorporate some of her ideas in order to distinguish itself
from the NF (from which the BNP was splitting), thus at least
creating a comparatively more ethical party to rival the NF.
>
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Ah, I think we've both been confused here. The photographs with
Tyndall and BNP camps are from the 1960s, long before here
death. Reason being it is a different British National Party (I
only just remembered there have been several such parties!).
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party_(disambiguation)
I am less familiar with this version of the BNP, but it still
strikes me as thoroughly unhealthy company even for its time,
with the same White "Nationalist" Tyndall of the later BNP.
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 5, 2020, 8:04 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> ...Savitri's grasp of Aryan racial theory was very messy. She
never provided a central definition of the term in her own
writings, but made only peripheral judgements on who was or was
not Aryan based on throwaway criteria (mostly while writing
about other subjects!). While Savitri and I might agree on an
individual historical figure's Aryan quality, we are more likely
than not to differ in where we guess their blood came from. For
example, Savitri credited Akhnaten's Aryan blood to alleged
Hittite ancestry, whereas I credit it to Puntian ancestry.
>
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I assume that is the explanation for this quote:
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> “The one thing I strongly object to in your paper is your
calling Negroes ‘animals.’ I love animals—all, but especially
felines. They— and they especially—are beautiful. Negroes are
not. That is the first thing I have against them: their
flattened noses, thick lips, tiny high-set ears, and woolly
hair. I never for an hour believed in man descending from ‘the
ape.’ I’d rather think it far more likely that apes (especially
of the big size) are descended from man—and the Negro, so
similar to them that it seems incredible at times, could well be
the intermediate stage in the process of decay. That is why
there are Negro tribes that cling onto bits of genuine
tradition, without the slightest knowledge, of course, of what
they are accepting—theoretically.”
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 5, 2020, 11:20 pm
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Replied here:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183051
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 6, 2020, 9:35 am
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I think it is also noteworthy that the features listed by
Savitri Devi are associated with the Congoid type, i.e.
Gentile-leaning "Black" persons. Aryan-leaning "Black"
phenotypes (see the Human Beauty-page
HTML http://aryanism.net/culture/aesthetics/human-beauty/
for
examples) do not fit her description at all. Thus it appears
that she is applying the term "Negro" to Gentile-leaning "Black"
persons exclusively, implying that Aryan-leaning "Black" persons
wouldn't be included in her "Negro"-category and thus not
affected by her dislike for "Negroes".
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Re: Savitri Devi and the BNP
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 6, 2020, 3:41 pm
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"I think it is also noteworthy that the features listed by
Savitri Devi are associated with the Congoid type, i.e.
Gentile-leaning "Black" persons."
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> flattened noses, thick lips, tiny high-set ears, and woolly
hair.
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The burden is on you to explain how these four features would
have been selected for by a hunting lifestyle, and selected
against by a subsistence farming lifestyle.
"Aryan-leaning "Black" phenotypes"
HTML https://alchetron.com/cdn/vimbayi-kajese-1c609ad5-c016-44c8-a504-a7a55024a64-resize-750.jpeg
Flattened nose, check.
Thick lips, check.
(Ears cannot be seen clearly.)
Woolly hair, check.
Aryan face, check.
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