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Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: guest30 Date: April 21, 2022, 11:16 pm
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Nationalism means having a country and it's values only in fixed
borders. But Islamism means spreading Islam and it's value even
tough crossing nations's borders, like chaliphate for example,
it can help defeat of Western hegemony more quickly than
nationalism ideology. So I consider Islamism is superior rather
than nationalism, what do you think about that?
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2022, 12:49 am
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An Islamist can be a nationalist Islamist or anti-nationalist
Islamist. An anti-nationalist Islamist trying to promote Islam
in e.g. Germany will argue that being Muslim is more important
than being German. A nationalist Islamist with the same aim,
however, will argue that being Muslim can make you a better
German. (This was Hitler's approach.) This is the only
difference.
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Anyone who claims that a nationalist Islamist does not care
about spreading Islam outside of their own country does not
understand nationalism.
"it's values only in fixed borders."
No, it is about lebensraum:
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which is what you should to be doing to Australia right now.
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: SirGalahad Date: April 22, 2022, 3:04 am
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I would also like to point out that even if you only care about
Islam exclusively, and don't care about any other nations or the
aspects of their cultures, that doesn't mean that you can't
still be a nationalist. National Islamism is a very possible
hypothetical ideology, and I think that it's Islam taken to its
logical conclusion. The entire concept of a caliphate or imamate
necessitates some type of nation-state to rule over in the first
place
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: guest30 Date: April 22, 2022, 4:13 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]...An anti-nationalist Islamist trying to promote Islam
in e.g. Germany will argue that being Muslim is more important
than being German. ...[/quote]
What about Ottoman Empire (Ustmaniyyah), they are tend to be a
good muslim people rather than Turkish people. What the people
of Hizbut at-Tahrir and people like me afraid are, the
nationalism ideology led to separation of muslim people across
the land which they live. They more care about their national
homeland rather than the global muslim people. And according to
them, it can lead to racist nationalism.
And nationalism already prove that muslim people around the
world are scattered, dissolved, and separated only because of
their political interest tend to emphasize nationalist worldview
rather than solidarity of muslim people, and being unite into
single caliphate nation like Ustmaniyyah (Ottoman).
Nusantara, my nation are vassals and integrated territory of
Ottoman Empire during age of colonialism. We voluntary to be
part of them and unite against Europe. The hidden history of
Ottoman Empire. We ever more proud being a muslims rather than
being Nusantarans in the past
So, if Islamic solidarity can make a new nation with more
ideological quality, is that a bad thing?
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2022, 4:33 am
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"Islamic solidarity "
But then how will you promote solidarity with non-Muslims?
With nationalism, we can argue that being Muslim can make
someone a better Nusantaran, but being Christian/Buddhist/[any
anti-tribalist religion] can also make someone a better
Nusantaran. Therefore a Muslim Nusantaran will be happy to see
Christians/Buddhists/etc. as fellow Nusantarans, because it will
be understood that each person is simply trying to be a better
Nusantaran, just via different routes to suit themselves.
Without nationalism, the above argument is unavailable to you.
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: guest30 Date: April 22, 2022, 6:19 am
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]...but being Christian/Buddhist/[any anti-tribalist
religion] can also make someone a better Nusantaran[/quote]
If they want to submit the Islamic rule. We cannot trust the
non-muslims. Because they tend to follow liberalism way of life.
And during colonial era, they easily influenced to work with the
European colonialist, especially the Nusantara Christian people
like Maluku and Papua people, and the Chinese Christians. So
they must submit the Islamic rule to avoid being a traitor.
Then, they can be "better Nusantarans." And only Islamic people
in Nusantara today who politically anti-Western. The rest
non-muslims are ignorant to anti-Western political worldview.
And the Christian Nusantarans are the most horrible people. Many
of them support Israel, and continue to make pilgrimage to
Jerusalem, city of today Israel.
No to pluralism and tolerance, only emphaty
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2022, 8:54 pm
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"only Islamic people in Nusantara today who politically
anti-Western. The rest non-muslims are ignorant to anti-Western
political worldview."
Which is why you need to get them on board. And the way to do so
is to show you have nothing against other anti-tribalist
religions.
"And the Christian Nusantarans are the most horrible people.
Many of them support Israel, and continue to make pilgrimage to
Jerusalem, city of today Israel."
You must show them that Christianity and Judaism are
incompatible:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
Our mission is to get Christians feeling closer to Muslims than
they do to Jews. Only after this happens can Israel be
destroyed.
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: guest55 Date: April 22, 2022, 10:13 pm
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Re: Nationalism and Islamism Comparisons
By: guest30 Date: April 22, 2022, 10:29 pm
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@90sRetroFan
[quote]"only Islamic people in Nusantara today who politically
anti-Western. The rest non-muslims are ignorant to anti-Western
political worldview."
[quote]Which is why you need to get them on board. And the way
to do so is to show you have nothing against other
anti-tribalist religions.[/quote][/quote]
Yes, I will integrate them with order them to live under Islamic
sharia law. Which used by Ottoman Caliphate and previous Islamic
Empire. Sharia Law is used for integrating non-Muslims, not
destroying them.
[quote]You must show them that Christianity and Judaism are
incompatible:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
Our mission is to get Christians feeling closer to Muslims than
they do to Jews. Only after this happens can Israel be
destroyed.[/quote]
The most effective way if we want to fulfill the goals more
quickly is force them to be integrated into Sharia Law and
accept Islamic political worldview. Debating them about their
problem on understanding Christianity is need more time, even a
long time. It's not a simple job to show a correct worldview to
a group of people who already told everyday of their life about
the wrong worldview with the threat of uncertainty possible
punishment in afterlife. They need a best method of religious
education.
So, Hitler method is the best way maybe, change or destroy the
Christian religion. Or force them to war against the another
Christian nations (The Western European power) both politically
and ideologically
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