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Blue Kumul
DIR By: Blue Kumul
Date: April 19, 2022, 4:58 am
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People rioting because a BOOK has been burned?
Think about someone burning a copy of Peter Pan, Lord of the
Rings, das Kapital or even a maths textbook. Maybe it would make
people sad, but certainly not rioting. There is only one book
which makes people riot.
It tells a lot about the toxic message of this book. And yet you
True Leftists side with the rioters.
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Re: Re: Rise of Islamophobia in Europe poses threat to Muslims
DIR By: Blue Kumul
Date: April 19, 2022, 6:28 am
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Christians are also theists, who believe in a revealed divine
book just like Muslims. Yet I haven't heard of Christians
rioting because someone destroyed a Bible. It would be more
likely for true Christian to pray for the book-burner's soul.
This demonstrates the spiritual superiority of Christianity over
Islam.
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Re: Re: Rise of Islamophobia in Europe poses threat to Muslims
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 19, 2022, 4:17 pm
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> It would be more likely for true Christian to pray for the
book-burner's soul.
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The Judeo-Christian bible is one of the most dangerous books
ever created:
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From the True Leftist point of view the Quran is just as
corrupted with Judaism as the Christian Bible is:
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Not everyone who claims to be Muslim is a Muslim, just as
everyone who claims to be a Christian is not a necessarily a
Christian either. (Unlike Judaism, where a person becomes a Jew
through blood...).
Jesus also happens to be one of the most quoted prophets in
Islam. Surely an individual should be given the benefit of the
doubt when they claim to be Mohammaden, just as one should be
given the benefit of the doubt when they claim to be a follower
of Jesus, right? Actions often speak louder than words.
Had it not been for Western colonialism Muslims would never have
had to emigrate, lest we also forget the Western crusades
against Islam.
In closing, the Judeo-Christian bible is about 100 times more
dangerous than the Quran in my True Leftist opinion! Nor did
Jesus, or Mohammad, ever promote an anthropocentric worldview!
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Re: Blue Kumul
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 19, 2022, 11:25 pm
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"yet you True Leftists side with the rioters."
Why should we not? We despise tolerance:
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We respect loyalty. Willingness to riot (despite the threat of
legal repercussions) in response to Koran-burning reflects the
loyalty of the rioters to what they consider sacred. This is
what we need more of on the left. In the ancient world, if
someone deliberately and openly burns something that you claim
to be sacred, yet you do not retaliate, no one will ever again
believe your claim that that thing is indeed sacred, for what is
truly sacred can always inspire those who proclaim its
sacredness to unhesitatingly lay down their lives to defend it.
These ancient attitudes are what we are here to revive. We are
regressives:
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> [quote]Unlike Bernie, Coates is concerned with the
old-fashioned comic-book virtues that appeal to 9-year-old boys:
honor, status, representation, heredity, antiquity, and
vengeance.
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> Inigo is enormously popular with audiences because he
heroically exemplifies unsophisticated premodern values.
>
> Likewise, Coates’ Inigo Montoya Progressivism isn’t based on
any highbrow theory of class or liberty or even of
minoritarianism.
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> Instead, Coatesism is the reactionary idea that the Bad Guys
are the people who impugned the honor of the Good Guys, and we
know who the Good Guys are and who the Bad Guys are, and they
will be Good or Bad forever.
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"From the True Leftist point of view the Quran is just as
corrupted with Judaism"
This is true, but I want future Muslims to defend the Jamia how
present-day Muslims defend the Koran. We can simultaneously
believe that they are defending a corrupted book and praise the
way in which they defend it.
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Re: Blue Kumul
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: April 19, 2022, 11:43 pm
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"In the ancient world, if someone deliberately and openly burns
something that you claim to be sacred, yet you do not retaliate,
no one will ever again believe your claim that that thing is
indeed sacred, for what is truly sacred can always inspire those
who proclaim its sacredness to unhesitatingly lay down their
lives to defend it."
And clearly westerners have not forgotten this principle, since
they're willing to applaud soldiers who lay down their lives for
western values, and I'm almost certain that they would applaud
hypothetical rioters defending western values in nations that
are currently enemies of the western powers. Instead of simply
criticizing the actions of these rioters as it pertains to their
defense of the Quran specifically (since it's theoretically fine
to criticize the Quran), they hone in on the act of rioting
itself, especially as it pertains to defending something as
"trivial" as a holy book, so that they can say "See? These
people are massively overreacting and are quick to violence.
They're subhuman and primitive, and so is their religion. This
makes them unfit for our societies". I think it's another
example of western hypocrisy. The discussion shouldn't be
centered around whether rioting is a "primitive overreaction",
but whether what's being defended is worth defending in the
first place. Ironically, this'll never happen so long as
westerners have cultural hegemony, since that shift would cause
westerners to go on the defensive as they're forced to elaborate
on why western values are worth defending to such an extent as
they have been for the past couple of centuries
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Re: Blue Kumul
DIR By: Blue Kumul
Date: April 23, 2022, 2:41 am
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Westerners are definitely capable of rioting, this pertains to
both the liberal variety (e.g. LGBT activists) and the
conservative variety (e.g. Trumpist). So if these people condemn
Muslims for rioting, they are hypocrites.
For me, the only things which justify rioting are murder,
torture and rape of innocents.
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