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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 27, 2023, 5:25 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/nonsense-claim-immigrants-u-illegally-135009925.html
[quote]A Sept. 19 Instagram post (direct link, archive link)
shows a screenshot of a post on X, formerly Twitter, that points
out supposed benefits for people living in the U.S. illegally.
“18,000,000 illegals don’t have to pay taxes, but you do,” the
post reads. “18,000,000 illegals don’t have to pay rent or
mortgages, but you do. 18,000,000 illegals don’t have to get
vaccinated, but you do.”
It was liked more than 3,000 times in seven days. The original X
post was shared more than 10,000 times in nine days.
...
Our rating: False
Experts say immigrants who lack permanent legal status pay rent,
mortgages and many taxes just like citizens do. They also are
subject to the same vaccine rules that govern citizens because
those requirements are set by workplaces and schools and have
nothing to do with immigration status, experts say.
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Immigrants lacking permanent legal status pay the same sales and
consumption taxes that other citizens do, and a significant
number of them have federal and state taxes withheld from their
paychecks, she said.
While they do not have Social Security numbers, they may file
their taxes after obtaining an Individual Tax Identification
Number, according to the Internal Revenue Service. People who
enter the country illegally pay nearly $12 billion each year in
state and local taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation
and Economic Policy.
A report by the Bipartisan Policy Center found immigrants
lacking permanent legal status collectively subsidize citizens
through the tax system because they pay many of the same taxes
but are not eligible for many benefits – including refundable
tax credits, Pell grants, student loans and nutrition programs,
according to the report. They paid about $12 billion more into
the Social Security system than they took out in 2010, according
to the Social Security Administration’s most recent figures.
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"We have never heard of any willingness by financial
institutions or private landlords to exempt unauthorized
immigrants in blanket fashion from making mortgage or rental
payments," Mittelstadt said.
And there is no difference between vaccination rules for legal
U.S. residents and those who entered the country illegally,
Clemens said.
“While some organizations such as employers or schools have
vaccine requirements, those requirements apply to all people
employed or enrolled there, regardless of immigration status,”
Clemens said.[/quote]
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 28, 2023, 4:38 pm
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First we said it, then AOC said it:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/ilhan-omar/msg16053/#msg16053
[quote]The congresswoman at one point repeated five times that
it is legal to claim asylum at the U.S. border.
"It is legal to claim asylum at the United States border. It is
legal. It is legal. It is legal. It is legal to claim asylum,"
Ocasio-Cortez said.[/quote]
and now more Blue politicians are finally willing to say it:
HTML https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-democrat-claims-migrants-crossing-illegally-instead-border-waiting-asylum
[quote]Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., told Fox News on Wednesday that
migrants are not crossing into the U.S. illegally
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"Well, they’re not crossing into the U.S. illegally," Johnson
responded when asked at what point the crossings would become an
invasion. "They’re sitting at the border seeking
asylum."[/quote]
Being Fox News, they immediately try to obfuscate:
[quote]People seeking asylum, though, must prove they suffered
persecution, or fear future persecution in their country of
origin, according to the American Immigration Council’s website.
Many of the migrants coming to the U.S. are seeking economic
opportunity, which is not a basis of asylum.[/quote]
Let's cut through this nonsense.
1) Deprivation of food/water is a form of persecution.
2) Food/water are economic assets.
3) Thus persecution can be economic.
4) Thus people who have suffered starvation or who fear future
starvation in their country of origin (e.g. due to global
warming) are people who have suffered persecution or who fear
future persecution in their country of origin respectively. They
are therefore eligible for asylum.
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 30, 2023, 6:09 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-desantis-other-republicans-deceiving-231139448.html
The lie:
[quote]the United States is being invaded by Mexicans migrants
who are bringing deadly fentanyl into the country.[/quote]
The truth:
[quote]undocumented migrants have almost zero responsibility for
the fentanyl smuggling crisis.
In fact, most of the fentanyl entering the United States is
brought into the country through legal ports of entry, including
airports. More important, most of it is smuggled by U.S.
citizens.
...
The Republicans are simply lying when they link illegal
migration with fentanyl trafficking: According to U.S.
government data, 86.2% of felons sentenced for fentanyl
trafficking are U.S. citizens.
Even more telling, a Cato Institute study found that only 0.02%
of people intercepted while trying to cross the border illegally
were found to possess fentanyl.
There is an explanation for this: Undocumented migrants crossing
the border know that they face a serious chance of being stopped
and searched by U.S. border guards. That’s why most fentanyl
traffickers are U.S. citizens who enter the country through
legal border crossings and airports, where chances of being
searched are much smaller.[/quote]
The uselessness of truthtelling:
[quote]And yet, despite these well-known official statistics, an
NPR‐Ipsos poll showed that 60% of Republicans believe that
most of the fentanyl entering the country is smuggled by
undocumented migrants.[/quote]
I would add that no matter how the fentanyl is getting in,
almost all those dying from fentanyl overdoses are voluntary
drug users aware of the risks:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl#Recreational_use
This is not the case with those dying of other health hazards:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
many of whom who do not directly buy the products associated
with them, but cannot escape them nonetheless. Opposition to all
these hazards which cause mostly involuntary deaths should be a
higher priority than opposition to any hazard (e.g. fentanyl)
that causes mostly voluntary deaths, but is not. Why not?
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: rp Date: September 30, 2023, 6:20 pm
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Because most who die from Fentanyl are "Whites". We often here
how "bad" "Whites" have it because they are addicted to
Fentanyl, LOL.
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: Migrant Date: September 30, 2023, 6:37 pm
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[quote]Why not?[/quote]
Humanists, of the racist western variety especially...
Furthermore, why are they not as concerned with the opioid
crisis that was triggered legally and via deception of patients
by a corporation and defended in court by Trump stooges like
Giuliani?:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/american-empire-collapse-it's-about-to-get-much-worse()-chris-hedges-joins/?message=20058<br
/>
Related?:
Three Slave Suicide in the Context of Colonial North America
[quote]Abstract
Suicide by enslaved people had the potential to expose the
contradictions of slavery in colonial British North America.
Those contradictions can best be comprehended first by analyzing
the competing meanings acts of self-destruction and, second, by
situating slave suicide in the comparative context of other
accounts of self-inflicted death by early Americans. Some
stories of slave suicide accentuated similarities between blacks
and whites by appealing to masculine ethics of choosing death
before dishonor, a theme that resonated with the Anglo-American
elite. Yet, if some accounts of enslaved peoples' suicides
reflected a set of reasons for choosing death that were shared
across racial lines, others confirmed differences based on race
and class. Such appraisals distanced the meanings of slave
suicide from those of free Europeans, and sustained the
disarticulation of suicide and slavery that had begun in the
slave trade. Additionally reports of slave suicide also
contained critical estimations of masters, a theme that became
more pronounced over the course of the eighteenth century. In
these ways as well, stories of enslaved people's suicides
presented Anglo-American observers with a host of competing,
contradictory, and charged messages and had the potential to
unsettle the acceptance of slavery and assumptions about
enslaved people.[/quote]
HTML https://academic.oup.com/chicago-scholarship-online/book/19630/chapter-abstract/178384560?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: PermanentResident Date: November 21, 2023, 9:17 pm
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My Green Card in the U.S. has been expired for years. I have
sent a digital request through the USCIS website in-order to get
a copy of my "alien file" so that I can prove to my government I
have not become a US citizen and can renew my passport, the
first step in getting a US Green Card renewed. My request from
USCIS returned a response that they could not find my alien
file. I sent an appeal letter to the department with more
information in hopes it would help them find my file, no
response. I have no sent three additional emails to USCIS as a
reminder that they have not responded to my initial appeal,
still no response. I have been waiting for over a year and a
half.
This is always the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear
U.S. rightists start talking about immigration and
border-walls...
I am now an illegal immigrant, and have been for years, because
of the U.S. immigration service. I cannot even travel to my home
country if I wanted to. I have been stateless for years with no
hopes of escape. ::) ;D
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 21, 2023, 3:12 am
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-miller-uses-textbook-definition-172416549.html
[quote]“We are being conquered,” Miller said to Fox News’s Jesse
Watters. “This is a complete resettlement of America in real
time. It took hundreds of years, going back long even before our
founding, going back all the way to the earliest days of the
colonies in America to slowly build everything that we have.
“And now we have millions of people coming in from different
cultures and different ways of living and different belief
systems. They’re going to take those belief systems with them to
America,” he continued. “So, a generation from now, I am telling
you Jesse, people will not know the country that they are living
in. These consequences are permanent. Unless there’s massive
large-scale deportations by the millions, it will be
irrevocable.”
Stripped of the incendiary rhetoric, this is really just a
definition of how immigration works: People move to another
country, bringing the culture of their homeland. In fact, Miller
implicitly acknowledges that America was colonized by white
people who emigrated from England—with “belief systems” that
were, needless to say, different from those of the people
already living in North America.
Of course, countless millions of others have since come to
America “from different cultures and different ways of living
and different belief systems,” but Miller isn’t one to let a few
basic historical facts get in the way of his narrative. He’s
simply opposed to the nonwhite people immigrating to America
today.[/quote]
This goes back to what I was saying here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9867/#msg9867
[quote]This pretty much highlights how it is flat-out logically
impossible for WNs to win the ethical debate. If they go with
the position that migration is wrong (which they need for
criticizing migration by "non-whites"), then they cannot avoid
the conclusion that "whites" wronged "non-whites" first, and
hence have no authority to complain. The only logical way to
avoid incriminating themselves is to go with the position that
migration is not wrong, in which case they have no reason to
complain. Either way they are screwed.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/stephen-miller/
Woke comments:
[quote]Don't forget all the WHITE EUROPEANS were "illegal"
immigrants[/quote]
[quote]Miller quite conveniently forgetting that his ancestors
immigrated from Belarus in 1903. Oh...I forgot...it's okay if
you're WHITE.[/quote]
[quote]talk about poisoning our blood look no further than
t-rump and miller[/quote]
[quote]Steve Miller is a jew[/quote]
(And False Leftists think Trump agrees with Hitler?! Miller's
blood is the poison blood that Hitler was warning about! But
Miller's blood is the blood Trump wants in his administration!)
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: rp Date: April 16, 2024, 10:37 am
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I agree with our enemy Hanania here again:
HTML https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1740962401917534703?t=EYzAThS7FG6Mip4ocoBflw&s=19
[Quote]
Can someone explain to me this rightoid argument “why don’t you
let immigrants live in your house?”
Nobody ever asks them if they love their fellow Americans so
much why don’t they live with them. I don’t know how this became
a requirement for allowing immigrations.
[Quote]
I’m sure Richard would have no problem letting 10 or 15 Somali
refugees live in his house with him and his family. If he could
pick to have Jewish refugees or Guatemalans living in his city
which would he choose?
[/Quote]
[/Quote]
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 16, 2024, 4:18 pm
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OK, but why promote him superfluously? We already have this
exact same argument covered here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9867/?topicseen#msg9867
[quote]rightists claiming that if we are opposed to a wall to
keep out immigrants from the country, we should "similarly" be
opposed to walls to keep out immigrants from our own homes also.
This is, of course, nonsense. Being opposed to a wall to keep
out immigrants from the country merely means we want immigrants
treated with the same standards that we treat natives in terms
of freedom of movement. And, in general, we do not let natives
into our own homes either.[/quote]
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: rp Date: April 16, 2024, 7:20 pm
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I did not see that. I will henceforth try to not promote him
unless he has some good takes that have not been stated here
already.
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