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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 28, 2022, 8:33 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/send-illegal-migrants-claim-slavery-070000273.html
[quote]Send home illegal migrants who claim to be slavery
victims, MPs tell Rishi Sunak
...
They argue that “people claiming they have been unwilling
victims of human trafficking or modern slavery” should be
returned to “the villages from which they came”.
“If they have really been taken against their will, then they
could not reasonably object to being returned to their own
homes,” the letter explained.[/quote]
Since it was from their former homes that they were taken
against their will the first time round, returning them there
would just lead to the same happening to them again! That is the
reasonable objection so obvious it should not need to be
explained! The point is that their former homes were unsafe!
What part of this do rightists not understand?!
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: rp Date: November 29, 2022, 10:00 pm
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Follow subreddit r/neoliberal for rebuttals of anti-immigrant
nonsense!:
HTML https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/
Other than True Leftists, neoliberals (capitalists) are the best
when it comes to immigration. This is why they are attacked by
both xenophobic False Leftists and rightists. Remember, Clinton
was primarily attacked for being a "neoliberal" during the 2016
general election.
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 1, 2022, 4:54 pm
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The Suketu Mehta attitude:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9868/#msg9868
is spreading:
HTML https://twitter.com/Sathnam/status/1597868830235451394
[quote][quote]I see many commentators on the census results
saying, ‘So what if people who identify as “white British” are a
minority in London, Birmingham, Leicester, Manchester, etc?’
Just one answer to which is ‘Because we never voted for this.
Quite the opposite in fact.’[/quote]
Brown people didn't get a vote when their nations were colonised
by the British. We are here, because you were there.[/quote]
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 4, 2023, 3:35 pm
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Enemy article making our case for us:
HTML https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/02/01/gallup-800-million-people-want-migrate-us-europe/
[quote]The 16 percent who want to migrate has jumped up from 12
percent — or 750 million — in 2018.[/quote]
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/
Duh!
But the point I really wanted to emphasize is the following:
[quote]Many U.S. investors are reluctant to send their
investment money into chaotic countries. Instead, they prefer
that those countries’ young populations take the risk of
migrating to the investors’ safe investments in the United
States.[/quote]
This is called American nationalism. Are False Leftists paying
attention? Stop calling hostility to immigration "nationalism"!
It is not! The above is nationalism! Authentic nationalism is
pro-immigration by definition, because more immigration means
less outsourcing!
[quote]The federal government has long operated an economic
policy of Extraction Migration. This colonialism-like policy
extracts vast amounts of human resources from needy countries
and uses the imported workers, renters, and consumers to grow
Wall Street and the economy.[/quote]
Utter nonsense. Under colonialism, the colonized population
stays put but are taxed by the colonial power, thus its total
earnings are reduced while its population is not reduced,
leading to less stuff to go around. Under Extraction Migration,
the extracted population moves to the extractor country, so the
extractee country's total earnings are reduced but its
population is reduced proportionately at the same time, thus not
leading to less stuff to go around.
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: antihellenistic Date: May 11, 2023, 5:34 am
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The correct view on history by the rightist. They use the
western victory as inspiration, not Hitler.
HTML https://twitter.com/exrightist101/status/1656597139995373568
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Answering with argument
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 21, 2023, 4:29 pm
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Reinforcing:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/ilhan-omar/msg16053/#msg16053
with elaboration:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/pouring-gasoline-fires-hate-anti-113648062.html
[quote]FEAR: Day and Lawler have repeatedly referred to
asylum-seekers as “illegal.”
FACT: Not only is this a dehumanizing term that smears people
fleeing violence and oppression as criminals, it’s false.
Asylum-seekers who come through the U.S.’s southern border are
documented. The federal government processes asylum-seekers
using credible fear screenings and asylum merit interviews. Yet
Day falsely stated they haven’t been screened. Kenny claimed not
to know “if these people have been vetted.” And Lawler inflamed
his base with an online petition warning that “New York City
Mayor Eric Adams just sent HUNDREDS of illegal adult male
migrants into your backyard!”
...
On conservative radio host Rob Astorino’s WABC show, Day
conjured the specter of “single adult males” being housed near
schools[/quote]
Also, it never ceases to amuse me how those rightists who claim
"adult males are necessarily fake refugees" then turn round and
claim that countries need to immediately import the entire
"white" population of South Africa (including adult males) as
refugees. Can you figure out what they actually believe?
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 29, 2023, 12:55 pm
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HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-66044153
[quote]Some British people are only concerned about the
immigration of "brown people" but would open their homes to
others, a bishop has said.[/quote]
This is true:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ethnonepotism/msg11959/#msg11959
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ethnonepotism/msg12620/#msg12620
Continuing:
[quote]Bishop Hudson-Wilkin, who was born in Jamaica and was the
first black female bishop appointed by the Church of England,
said some British people "do not understand their own history".
"I love to remind the British that they were economic migrants
when they went to Africa, when they went to Asia, when they
travelled to the Caribbean," she said.
"They wanted to improve their lives. That's what these people
are doing."
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The government's Illegal Migration Bill, which is going through
Parliament, has been proposed with the aim of giving ministers
the power to remove anyone arriving in the UK illegally and then
bar them from claiming asylum.
Under the bill, illegal migrants would be detained and removed,
either to Rwanda or another "safe country".
Bishop Hudson-Wilkin said she was "appalled" by the government's
plans as "since time immemorial, people have moved, people have
picked themselves up, picked their families up and decided [to
go] where life is better".[/quote]
Thank you! This goes back to what I was saying here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9867/#msg9867
[quote]if it's OK for "whites" to live outside of Europe (as
hundreds of millions currently do), it's OK for at least the
same number of "non-whites" to live in Europe. (We need a
graphical version of this latter point.)
This pretty much highlights how it is flat-out logically
impossible for WNs to win the ethical debate. If they go with
the position that migration is wrong (which they need for
criticizing migration by "non-whites"), then they cannot avoid
the conclusion that "whites" wronged "non-whites" first, and
hence have no authority to complain. The only logical way to
avoid incriminating themselves is to go with the position that
migration is not wrong, in which case they have no reason to
complain. Either way they are screwed.[/quote]
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 22, 2023, 5:32 pm
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As a supplement to:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/refugees-welcome/msg21065/#msg21065
let's debunk the frequent disingenuous* assertion by rightists
that irregular migration (which includes asylum application) is
somehow "unfair" to immigrants who apply to immigrate via
regular channels.
(* These same rightists then call for the regular applications
to be rejected. Can you figure out what is going on?)
Firstly, we have already repeatedly emphasized that it is legal
to apply for asylum and thus calling it "illegal" immigration is
an outright lie:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/ilhan-omar/msg16053/#msg16053
[quote]The congresswoman at one point repeated five times that
it is legal to claim asylum at the U.S. border.
"It is legal to claim asylum at the United States border. It is
legal. It is legal. It is legal. It is legal to claim asylum,"
Ocasio-Cortez said.[/quote]
But is it unfair to those who wait in another country for
approval prior to making their journey? It is not. As we have
explained in the past, a closed border is an initiated violence.
So imagine two victims P and Q of the same initated violence. P
reacts by deferentially requesting the violator to stop the
violence, while Q takes direct action to minimize the effects of
the violence. If someone is punching both P and Q in the face
simultaneously, and P reacts by begging the puncher to stop
punching but willingly taking every punch so long as the puncher
ignores the begging, while Q reacts by blocking the incoming
punches, with the result that P's face gets more and more
battered while Q's face does not, is Q being unfair to P? Of
course not! It is P's own fault for not also doing what Q is
doing! If anything, Q is already trying to help P by setting an
example of what P could also be doing!
Which is not to say that Q's reaction is yet the best reaction.
The best reaction would be Ahimsa: not just blocking the
punches, but killing the puncher. One who is willing to do this
would also immediately end the punches taken by P (who despite
being cowardly does not deserve to be punched).
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 1, 2023, 1:02 pm
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Mayor Adams takes down a hypocrite:
HTML https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/nyc-mayor-adams-challenges-critic-of-migrant-crisis-policies-you-have-an-accent/
[quote]Mayor Eric Adams called out a critic who questioned the
city’s response to the ongoing migrant crisis during a fiery
exchange on Wednesday evening.
Hizzoner was confronted by Marie Lynch, a Honduran native and
Queens Republican activist, who accused him of catering to
asylum seekers
...
“Why are you treating illegal aliens better than you are
treating Americans? Why are you destroying the city with illegal
aliens,” Lynch asked the mayor, according to a recording
obtained by The Post.
...
“Why are you destroying our city and providing for illegal
aliens when our veterans and the mentally ill are on the street
around the corner from here?”
“You know what?” Adams responded.
“You have an accent.”
...
City Hall defended the mayor calling out Lynch’s accent.
“As the mayor very often says, unless you’re of indigenous
descent, your family came from somewhere else. It’s true of the
vast majority of New Yorkers. That’s the only point the mayor
was making,”[/quote]
It also goes without saying that refugees are not "illegal
aliens (see immediately preceding post) as Lynch claims.
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Re: Debunking Rightist Anti-Immigration Arguments
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 19, 2023, 4:06 pm
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Time to finally debunk the notoriously disingenuous* "brain
drain" argument:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/open-borders-fake-morality-maybe-nigeria-could-use-some-of-the-nigerian-doctors-we-re-poaching
[quote]Nigerian doctors and nurses are escaping the country in
the thousands every year, mostly for jobs in the U.S.A. Britain,
and Canada.
There are only 24,000 doctors left in Nigeria to serve a
population of 220 million—one doctor per 9,000 citizens. In the
U.S.A. the ratio is one doctor per 310 citizens.[/quote]
If potential patients were allowed to migrate to the US, they
would have access to the doctors in the US! In absence of
artificial obstacles to migration, the doctor-patient ratio
disparity would spontaneously even out!
In other words, the shortage of doctors and other highly
qualified people in Nigeria relative to the general population
is not caused by the highly qualified in Nigeria emigrating, but
by most of the general population in Nigeria being obstructed
from immigrating to the same countries where the highly
qualified are immigrating to. The solution is not for First
World countries to stop accepting immigrating highly qualified
immigrants, but for them to also accept immigrants who are
themselves not necessarily highly qualified but who would be
potential customers of the highly qualified.
[quote]And things are going to get worse. This article quotes
something called The Association of Resident Doctors—resident in
Nigeria, that is—as saying that 85 percent of doctors still in
the country are planning to emigrate. And, quote: ”Many
thousands of other talented Nigerians are trying to leave,” end
quote.[/quote]
Let them! And let the untalented do the same! Problem solved!
[quote]That’s an aspect of our immigration policy—ours and
Britain’s and Canada’s and the oil-rich Gulf States—that you
don’t hear much about. We’re strip-mining the Third World of its
Smart Fraction.[/quote]
Yes, by blocking the rest of the Third World population from
joining their Smart Fraction in the First World countries.
(* How do I know it is disingenuous? Because rightists never
argue against "brain draining" South Africa of "whites"; on the
contrary, they cannot stop talking about how the highly
qualified "whites" from South Africa will be more useful in
First World countries. But when highly qualified "non-white"
South Africans want to emigrate to the same First World
countries, then rightists suddenly trot out this argument about
how supposedly terrible it is that South Africa is being "brain
drained".)
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