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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 11, 2023, 8:28 pm
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Our aim is to turn the whole map dark red:
HTML https://farm1.staticflickr.com/450/19691901369_a1999e3e8a_o.jpg
which is how it used to be until relatively recently:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_education#Timeline_of_introduction
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> Timeline of introduction
>
> 1700s
> 1739: Denmark[35]
> 1763: Prussia[36]
> 1774: Austria
>
> 1800s
> 1805: Liechtenstein[37]
> 1814: Denmark[36]
> 1817: Travancore[38]
> 1824: Turkey,[39]
> 1834: Greece[36]
> 1841: Hawaii[40]
> 1842: Sweden[36]
> 1844: Portugal[36]
> 1852: Massachusetts[40]
> 1857: Spain[41]
> 1864: Washington, D.C.,[40] Romania
> 1867: Vermont[40]
> 1868: Montenegro
> 1869: Slovenia, Italy,[42] Costa Rica[43]
> 1870: Colombia[44]
> 1871: Michigan, New Hampshire, Washington,[40]
Ontario,[45] Western Australia[46]
> 1872: Japan, Scotland[47] Connecticut (de facto
unenforceable),[40] Victoria[46]
> 1873: Nevada,[40] British Columbia[45]
> 1874: Switzerland,[36] Kansas, New York, California[40]
> 1875: New Jersey, Maine,[40] South Australia[46]
> 1876: Wyoming,[40] Guyana, Suriname[48]
> 1877: New Zealand, Uruguay,[44] Ohio,[40] Prince Edward
Island[45]
> 1878: Bulgaria
> 1879: Wisconsin[49]
> 1880: England,[36] Wales,[36] New South Wales,[46]
Venezuela[50]
> 1882: France,[36] Serbia[51]
> 1883: Montana, Illinois, North Dakota, South Dakota,
Rhode Island,[40] Nova Scotia[45]
> 1884: Argentina[44]
> 1885: Minnesota[40]
> 1886: Colombia (abolished)[44]
> 1887: Idaho, Nebraska[40]
> 1889: Norway,[52] Oregon, Colorado[40]
> 1890: Barbados,[53] Utah[40]
> 1891: New Mexico[40]
> 1892: Ireland[36]
> 1895: Pennsylvania[40]
> 1896: Kentucky, Hawaii[40]
> 1897: Ecuador,[44] Indiana, West Virginia[40]
> 1899: Arizona,[40] Puerto Rico
>
> 1900s
> 1900: Netherlands,[36] Queensland[46]
> 1902: Iowa, Maryland[40]
> 1904: Guam[54]
> 1905: Peru, Tennessee, Missouri,[40] New Brunswick[45]
> 1906: Namibia (white children with less than 4 km to nearest
school only)[55]
> 1907: Iceland,[56] Delaware, North Carolina, Oklahoma[40]
> 1908: Virginia[40]
> 1909: Paraguay,[44] Arkansas,[40] Saskatchewan[45]
> 1910: Louisiana,[40] Alberta[45]
> 1912: Luxembourg[36]
> 1913: Albania[57]
> 1915: Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Texas[40]
> 1916: Georgia (U.S. state),[40] Manitoba,[45] Tasmania[46]
> 1917: Mexico,[58] Gibraltar[59]
> 1918: Mississippi[40]
> 1919: Belgium,[36] Poland (only for children with less than
3 km to nearest school),[60] Latvia
> 1920: Chile,[44] Estonia,[61] Eswatini (white children
only)
> 1921: Finland,[62] Thailand[63]
> 1923: Nauru[64]
> 1924: Ukrainian SSR[65]
> 1925: Mongolia[66]
> 1926: Byelorussian SSR[65]
> 1927: Colombia (reintroduced)[44]
> 1929: Alaska[40]
> 1930: India, Soviet Union[65]
> 1935: Afghanistan[67]
> 1942: Newfoundland[45]
> 1943: Quebec,[45] Iran[68]
> 1946: Malta[69]
> 1949: Israel[42]
> 1951: Libya[70]
> 1952: Jordan[71]
> 1953: Egypt,[72] South Korea[73]
> 1956: Poland (all children)[60]
> 1960: Chad
> 1961: Ghana[74]
> 1962: Cyprus,[75] Mali
> 1963: Algeria,[76] Morocco[77]
> 1964: Mozambique (children with less than three miles to
nearest school)
> 1965: Kuwait[78]
> 1968: Republic of China[79][80][81]
> 1971: United Arab Emirates[82]
> 1973: Indonesia
> 1975: Somalia[83]
> 1976: Iraq,
> 1981: Seychelles,[84] Syria[85]
> 1986: People's Republic of China[86]
> 1988: Brazil,[87] Philippines[88]
> 1990: Bangladesh,[89] Yemen, Namibia (all children)
> 1991: Tunisia[90]
> 1994: Samoa
> 1996: Laos,[91] Afghanistan (abolished for women)[67]
> 1998: Lebanon,[92] Sudan[93]
>
> 2000s
> 2000: Singapore[94]
> 2001: Afghanistan (reintroduced for women),[67]
Mauritania[95]
> 2003: Liberia,[96] Malaysia,[97] Sierra Leone[98]
> 2005: Bahrain[99]
> 2007: Brunei[100]
> 2008: Uganda,[101] Oman[102]
> 2009: Connecticut (enforceable misdemeanor, unenforceable
prior to 2009)
> 2010: Lesotho[103]
> 2021: Afghanistan (secondary school abolished for women)[104]
>
> Countries without compulsory education
>
> Bhutan[105]
> Papua New Guinea[106]
> Solomon Islands[107]
> Vatican City
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_education#Criticism
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> Critics of compulsory schooling argue that such education
violates the freedom of children
--- End Quote ---
It does!
#Post#: 18818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: April 11, 2023, 10:42 pm
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The description on the map is disgusting and makes no sense. Why
do they need to violently FORCE people to attend school? What
does that have to do with it being a universal “right”? Can they
even name any other “right” that the state violently forces
people to make use of? Because I sure can’t. The only reason why
the “right to education” is treated as any different, is because
the powers that be want their human capital. It’s not enough for
them to involve THEMSELVES and relish in endless competition
with others. They have to drag everyone else into it as well,
once the competition reaches a statewide or national level. They
don’t give a **** about children. They just want their pawns
#Post#: 18823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: DyingYoung
Date: April 12, 2023, 2:12 pm
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--- Quote from: SirGalahad link ---
>
> The description on the map is disgusting and makes no sense.
Why do they need to violently FORCE people to attend school?
What does that have to do with it being a universal “right”? Can
they even name any other “right” that the state violently forces
people to make use of? Because I sure can’t. The only reason why
the “right to education” is treated as any different, is because
the powers that be want their human capital. It’s not enough for
them to involve THEMSELVES and relish in endless competition
with others. They have to drag everyone else into it as well,
once the competition reaches a statewide or national level. They
don’t give a **** about children. They just want their pawns
--- End Quote ---
Indeed...
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> Why did schooling become widespread after the Industrial
Revolution?
>
> Our current compulsory schooling model was created at the dawn
of the Industrial Age. As factories replaced farm work and
production moved swiftly outside of homes and into the larger
marketplace, 19th century American schooling mirrored the
factories that most students would ultimately join.
--- End Quote ---
Schooling Was for the Industrial Era, Unschooling Is for the
Future
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> We've entered a new era, the Imagination Age, so why are we
still schooling kids like we did in the 19th Century?
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> [...]The Imagination Age
>
> The trouble is that we have left the Industrial Era for the
Imagination Age, but our mass education system remains fully
entrenched in factory-style schooling. By many accounts, mass
schooling has become even more restrictive than it was a century
ago, consuming more of childhood and adolescence than at any
time in our history. The first compulsory schooling statute,
passed in Massachusetts in 1852, required eight to 14-year-olds
to attend school a mere 12 weeks a year, six of which were to be
consecutive. This seems almost laughable compared to the
childhood behemoth that mass schooling has now become...
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://fee.org/articles/schooling-was-for-the-industrial-era-unschooling-is-for-the-future/
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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 12, 2023, 5:16 pm
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--- Quote ---
> We've entered a new era, the Imagination Age, so why are we
still schooling kids like we did in the 19th Century?
--- End Quote ---
I strongly dislike the progressive tone of this False Left
article, which does not argue that (as we insist) compulsory
schooling was wrong even when it was first implemented, but
makes it sound like (the way progressives make everything sound
like) it was understandable at the time but merely outdated now.
--- Quote ---
> Enclosing children in increasingly restrictive schooling
environments for most of their formative years, and drilling
them with a standardized, test-driven curriculum is woefully
inadequate for the Imagination Age.
--- End Quote ---
Its whole line of thinking is progressive Yahwist (ie.
compulsory schooling is bad because it leads to sub-maximal
innovativeness):
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> 65 percent of children now entering elementary school will
work at jobs in the future that have not yet been invented.
> ...
> While the past belonged to assembly line workers, the future
belongs to creative thinkers, experimental doers, and inventive
makers.
> ...
> coercive schooling structure that values conformity over
creativity, compliance over-exuberance.
--- End Quote ---
The author is still a Westerner! The future she looks forward to
(and for which, ironically, she believes compulsory schooling is
slowing down progress towards) is the very one we are trying to
prevent!
--- Quote ---
> She is also the author of Unschooled: Raising Curious,
Well-Educated Children Outside the Conventional Classroom
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As I keep saying over and over again, problems created by
Western civilization cannot be solved by more Western
civilization.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg6195/#msg6195
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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 29, 2023, 12:42 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/no-glory-bullies-south-koreas-021918438.html
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> In education-obsessed South Korea, where children can spend up
to 16 hours a day studying at schools and in private academies,
bullying is widespread, experts say, despite official efforts to
stamp it out.
>
> The problem, activists say, is that bullying often goes
unpunished in real-time at schools, and the statute of
limitations on such crimes makes it hard for victims to bring
charges years later.
>
> Pyo said she suffered from years of insomnia and depression as
a result of her treatment at school, before deciding to stop
hiding and go public with her accusations -- resulting in one of
her bullies being fired from their job.
>
> But Pyo is lobbying for real legal change, demanding South
Korea suspend the statute of limitations affecting school
violence and change the defamation law to better protect
victims.
> ...
> Pyo and other victims say South Korea should remove the
statute of limitations on school violence so bullies can be held
accountable even decades later.
--- End Quote ---
I hardly need to tell you which one and only one civilization is
to blame for such a blatantly anti-justice idea as statute of
limitations (hint: the same one which is to blame for compulsory
schooling):
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations
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> In Classical Athens, a five-year statute of limitations was
established for almost all cases, exceptions being such as the
prosecution of non-constitutional laws (which had no
limitation). Demosthenes wrote that these statutes of
limitations were adopted to control "sycophants" (professional
accusers).[8]
--- End Quote ---
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> A statute of limitations, known in civil law systems as a
prescriptive period, is a law passed by a legislative body to
set the maximum time after an event within which legal
proceedings may be initiated.[1][2]
> ...
> In civil law systems, such provisions are typically part of
their civil and criminal codes.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)
--- Quote ---
> Civil law is a legal system originating in mainland Europe and
adopted in much of the world.
--- End Quote ---
But back to the first link, observe how a colonized person
talks:
--- Quote ---
> But there are huge practical issues with legally punishing
adults for crimes committed as a juvenile, Noh said, which could
give people lasting criminal records for teenage misdeeds.
--- End Quote ---
How is this a problem?
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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: guest98
Date: August 11, 2023, 3:58 pm
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HTML https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/11/india-to-overhaul-colonial-era-criminal-laws-repeal-penal-code
India to overhaul colonial-era criminal laws, repeal penal code
--- Quote ---
>
>
> India’s government has moved three bills in the lower house of
parliament aimed at overhauling some colonial-era criminal laws,
ranging from the controversial sedition law to strengthening
laws that protect women and minors.
>
> On the last day of the monsoon session of the parliament on
Friday, federal Home Minister Amit Shah presented bills to
repeal and replace the Indian Penal Code, the Code of Criminal
Procedure, and the Indian Evidence Act, many implemented by the
British before the country’s independence in 1947.
>
> The new legislation “will aim to give justice, not
punishment,” said Shah, adding that the overhaul was imperative
as the colonial laws have been at the core of the criminal
justice system for over a century.
>
> The bill seeks to replace the colonial-era sedition law which
was mainly used against Indian political leaders seeking
independence from British rule.
>
> However, in modern India, it has frequently been used since
1947 as a tool of suppression by successive democratically
elected governments to intimidate people who protest against
authority. The bill seeks to replace it with a section on acts
seen as endangering the sovereignty, unity and integrity of
India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 4, 2023, 4:11 pm
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Support Latif!
HTML https://apnews.com/article/wilders-threat-netherlands-pakistan-latif-pakistan-cricketer-3653d89bef8f57522bf4929ecb4f3a4d
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> THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Dutch prosecutors demanded a
12-year prison sentence Tuesday for a former Pakistani cricketer
accused of incitement to murder firebrand anti-Islam lawmaker
Geert Wilders.
>
> The suspect, identified by Wilders as Khalid Latif, is accused
of offering a bounty of some 21,000 euros ($23,000) to anybody
who killed Wilders.
>
> Latif did not appear in the high-security courtroom near
Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport for the trial. He is believed to be
in Pakistan.
> ...
> The prosecution office said that killing Wilders would not
just have “caused unbearable pain to his loved ones. It would
also have been an attack on the rule of law itself.”
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Did the Dutch respect the laws of the countries they colonized?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/netherlands's-colonial-brutality-which-rarely-known-by-people-scholars-and-histo/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/kieft's-war/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/surinam/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/east-timor/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/barbados/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/formosa/
So why should we respect Dutch laws?
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> Wilders said in court that a conviction would send a “powerful
signal to all other others who issue threats: we won’t accept
it.”
>
> And in comments he addressed directly to Latif, he added: “As
long as I’m living and breathing, you won’t stop me. Your call
to kill me and pay money for it is abject and will not silence
me.”
--- End Quote ---
Will anyone prove Wilders wrong?
--- Quote ---
> An international warrant has been issued for Latif’s arrest.
Dutch prosecutors said they had been trying to contact him since
2018, first as a witness and then to answer the charges.
However, they said they hadn’t received any reply from the
Pakistani authorities.
--- End Quote ---
[img]
HTML https://i0.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/pakistan-flag-sixteen_nine-1.jpeg?resize=696%2C398&ssl=1[/img]
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Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 13, 2023, 4:39 pm
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HTML https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-maori-party-want-to-abolish-prisons-by-2040-separate-tikanga-justice-system-to-address-inequities/2OEWB6NBPVCG3GY56HIJ4VRYWQ/
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> Te Pāti Māori is challenging Labour to abolish
prisons by 2040 and introduce a tikanga-based justice system to
address the enormous inequities facing this country’s indigenous
peoples.
>
> Co-leader Rawiri Waititi launched what he called a
“revolutionary plan to reform the justice system in Aotearoa”
that would tackle the institutional racism that has “traumatised
and failed Māori communities at every level”.
> ...
> “We are asserting our tino rangatiratanga to oversee our own
tikanga-based models of restorative justice.”
> ...
> Te Pāti Māori is also pledging to reform drug laws
to treat drug use as a health issue, not a criminal one, and to
wipe criminal convictions for drug use and possession.
> ...
> The most likely governing scenario for Te Pāti Māori
would be to work with Labour and the Greens, if they gain enough
support after the election, with National ruling out working
with them.
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However, I disagree with this part:
--- Quote ---
> “Our tipuna did not sign Te Tiriti o Waitangi for whānau
to be in care, incarcerated, and continually traumatised. The
time for change is well overdue. This is a by Māori, for
Māori, according to Māori solution and we will not
compromise.”
--- End Quote ---
Why for Maori only? Why not for everyone? How do you intend to
get your country back so long as you intend to allow your
colonizers to remain above your laws? When they first arrived,
the colonizers did not allow you to remain above their laws:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_people#Contact_with_Europeans
--- Quote ---
> the colonial government confiscating tracts of Māori land
as punishment for what were called "rebellions".
Pākehā (European) settlers would occupy the
confiscated land.[74] Several minor conflicts also arose after
the wars, including the incident at Parihaka in 1881 and the Dog
Tax War from 1897 to 1898. The Native Land Court was also
established to transfer Māori land from communal ownership
into individual title as a means to assimilation and to
facilitate greater sales to European settlers.[75]
> ...
> From the late 19th to the mid-20th century various laws,
policies, and practices were instituted in New Zealand society
with the effect of inducing Māori to conform to
Pākehā norms; notable among these are the Tohunga
Suppression Act 1907 and the suppression of the Māori
language by schools,[77] often enforced with corporal
punishment.[78]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 22420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 27, 2023, 12:14 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/trump-disapproval/msg22416/#msg22416
--- Quote ---
> [quote]In an extraordinary and rare move, a New York judge
found that Donald Trump committed fraud without even needing a
trial and a jury to weigh in on the evidence.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnNG5CuvcvQ&t=90s[/quote]
From the comments section:
--- Quote ---
> A summary judgment motion is a way of avoiding trial on issues
that are so factually clear that they don't deserve to be
determined by a jury because the facts are such that no
reasonable jury needs to consider them. The burden of proof is
always on the party bringing the motion, in this case the State
of New York. ANY doubts of significant fact means that the
motion MUST be denied. Any uncertainties of fact are construed
against the moving party and in favor of the non-moving party.
What that means in this case is that this judge determined that
the facts were so clear that Trump committed fraud that no
reasonable jury could find otherwise and no trial on that issue
was necessary. In cases like this, that is an incredible ruling
and NO JUDGE would have done it absent evidence which was just
plain overwhelming. Summary judgment is not granted lightly
because all benefit of doubt goes to the defendant. This result
speaks volumes about the audacity of Trump's business conduct.
--- End Quote ---
This is what we need to get back to as the norm. It would have
been standard practice in non-Western courts. Juries are a
uniquely Western idea:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury#Historical_roots
--- Quote ---
> The modern jury evolved out of the ancient custom of many
ancient Germanic tribes whereby a group of men of good character
was used to investigate crimes and judge the accused. The same
custom evolved into the vehmic court system in medieval Germany.
In Anglo-Saxon England, juries investigated crimes. After the
Norman Conquest, some parts of the country preserved juries as
the means of investigating crimes. The use of ordinary members
of the community to consider crimes was unusual in ancient
cultures, but was nonetheless also found in ancient Greece.
>
> The modern jury trial evolved out of this custom in the
mid-12th century during the reign of Henry II.[5] Juries,
usually 6 or 12 men, were an "ancient institution" even then in
some parts of England
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 22422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Legal decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: September 27, 2023, 12:40 pm
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"ancient custom of many ancient Germanic tribes"
Why are we following the customs of savage barbarians?
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