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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 12, 2022, 8:13 pm
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The entire NATO approach of waiting to see whether or not Russia
will make a move is stupid, as it allows Russia to keep the
tactical initiative. It means Russia can relax knowing it can
take as long as it wants to decide either way, while we have to
remain tense at every moment anticipating a move. Russia is
already winning, and the longer Russia keeps us waiting in this
way, the more it wins.
If I were in charge, once we have enough troops ready, I would
threaten to take back Crimea. This at least puts Russia in the
same psychological condition ("Will they really invade?") as we
are currently in, and hence puts the two sides back on equal
footing.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 12, 2022, 10:42 pm
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> If I were in charge, once we have enough troops ready, I would
threaten to take back Crimea. This at least puts Russia in the
same psychological condition ("Will they really invade?") as we
are currently in, and hence puts the two sides back on equal
footing.
--- End Quote ---
This is a great point. Also just came through my feed just as I
was reading your response, perhaps we are seeing the start of
the invasion unfolding now?:
Russia pulls out some diplomatic staff from Ukraine as border
tensions escalates | WION English News
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> Russia said that it has recalled some of its diplomatic staff
from Ukraine over fears of provocations from Kyiv and its allies
in response to similar actions by the US, UK and other
countries.
>
> #Russia #Ukraine #EnglishNews
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvIxBk71IP4
President Biden Warns President Putin To Back Down Amid Concerns
Of Russian Invasion In Ukraine
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> President Joe Biden warned Russian President Vladimir Putin to
back down Saturday as concerns grow that Russia could invade
Ukraine at any moment; Michael George reports for CBS2.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 14, 2022, 12:55 am
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BREAKING! Russia And Belarus Begin Massive Military Exercise
WITHIN THEIR BORDERS!
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> Russian motorized rifle units of the Eastern Military District
together with units of the special operations forces of the
Republic of Belarus started joint exercise Union Courage - 2022.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE1XYYL_ZYw
US defends evacuating embassy as Ukraine urges calm - BBC News
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> US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said the "imminent"
threat of Russian military action in Ukraine justifies
evacuating the US embassy in Kyiv.
>
> His words came after Ukraine's president urged calm, saying
the biggest enemy was panic.
>
> More than a dozen countries have urged their citizens to leave
Ukraine.
>
> Moscow, with more than 100,000 troops near the border, has
denied it plans to invade.
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Ukraine crisis: Putin accuses US of 'hysteria,' Biden warns of
'severe costs' | DW News
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> A phone call between the US and Russian leaders has failed to
ease tensions over Ukraine. Presidents Joe Biden and Vladimir
Putin spoke after the US warned that Russia could invade Ukraine
at any time. Moscow has dismissed the claim as hysteria.
Ukraine's forces are on high alert, as more than 100,000 Russian
troops are gathered near the border. Germany has joined other
countries in telling its nationals to leave Ukraine.
> Ukrainian forces are training near the Black Sea. Urban
warfare exercises hint at the kind of unrest they are preparing
for.
> President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, however, called for calm heads.
>
> On Sunday, contingency plans turned real.
> US staff at the Organisation for Security and Economic
Cooperation based in the rebel held city of Donetsk, were
packing up and heading home.
> Just the latest group to decide that the risk of all out war
is now too great.
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Has diplomacy reached a dead end? | Inside Story
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> The latest diplomatic attempt between the United States and
Russia to resolve tensions over Ukraine has achieved nothing.
>
> Presidents Putin and Biden exchanged warnings and concerns
over the phone, but little else, while military activity
continues on both sides.
>
> Moscow has been massing troops in Russia and Belarus near
their borders with Ukraine.
>
> The build-up is raising fears an invasion is imminent.
>
> Ukraine is receiving Western support.
>
> It's biggest ally, the U.S., is sending 200 million dollars
worth of military aid including armour-penetrating missiles and
ammunition.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 14, 2022, 1:59 pm
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BREAKING! Putin To Lavrov: Do You Think There Is Still A Chance
To Reach Agreement With NATO Or...
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> Russian President Vladimir Putin had a working meeting with
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: February 14, 2022, 5:53 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> It means Russia can relax knowing it can take as long as it
wants to decide either way, while we have to remain tense at
every moment anticipating a move.
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Russia is likely gambling on NATO losing their nerve sooner or
later and, as a result, forcing Ukraine to sign an unequal
treaty in Russia's favor just to resolve the situation.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 14, 2022, 8:18 pm
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Zelensky: Yes, we would like to join NATO
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> Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated that his
country intends to join NATO when asked about the remarks of his
country's ambassador to the UK, who suggested Kyiv might abandon
those ambitions to avoid further Russian aggression. #CNN #News
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Time to talk? German chancellor urges Moscow to step back as
Zelensky vows to join NATO
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> Diplomacy continues in the attemp of resolving the political
crisis in Ukraine. This Monday, the German chancellor Olaf
Scholz went to Kiev to meet with Ukraine's president Volodymyr
Zelenksy. This as a ring of Russian troops around Ukraine
tightens.
> #ukraine #nato #russia
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Putin Signals U.S., NATO Talks to Continue on Ukraine
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> Russian President Vladimir Putin responded "all right" to a
suggestion by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that the Kremlin
extend efforts to reach a diplomatic solution with the West over
tensions in Ukraine.
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Pentagon Press Secy. Kirby: Putin Increases His ‘Options For
Major Military Action’
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> Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby joins Andrea Mitchell to
discuss the major concerns within the U.S. military over Putin's
amassed forces near Ukraine’s borders. “He could use cyber
attacks, and he could certainly use conventional ground, air,
and even maritime forces to put troops ashore in any number of
places,” says Kirby. “With each passing day, he gives himself
more options for a major military action.”
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Former Ambassador: Ukraine Sovereignty Would Threaten Putin's
Regime
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> Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, and Ed Luce of
the Financial Times join Morning Joe to discuss the latest in
Ukraine and the possibility of Russia invading Ukraine during
the Olympics.
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 15, 2022, 12:41 am
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'UK-Russia ties close to zero,' says Russian defence minister |
International News | WION
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> Now as tensions continue to escalate over Ukraine, Russia's
defense minister Sergey Shoygu has now said that Moscow's ties
with London are at a low point all this due to their close to
zero cooperation. The statement comes as he met UK defense
secretary for a rare peace talks.
>
> #Ukraine #Russia #WorldNews
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United States: Crucial window of diplomacy left | Russia-Ukraine
border tensions | World News | WION
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> US believes that a small crucial window of diplomacy remains
for Russia to de-escalate tensions at the Ukraine border as
Western leaders engages in a flurry of talks to defuse the
crisis. 'We are not saying that president Putin has made a final
decision we have not communicated otherwise to our partners we
believe that diplomacy continues to be viable we believe that
there still remains a window to resolve crisis through dialogue
and diplomacy.'
>
> #Russia #Ukraine #UnitedStates
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 15, 2022, 1:59 pm
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Russia claims troop withdrawal from Ukraine border as diplomacy
continues
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> U.S. officials tell CBS News Russian forces have moved rocket
launchers and long-range artillery into possible firing
positions, but the Kremlin says it is pulling back troops and
wants to continue diplomatic negotiations. CBS News' Skyler
Henry reports from the White House, and then CBS News reporter
Haley Ott joins us from Kyiv, Ukraine, with the latest.
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NATO Sees No Signs of Reduced Russian Troops at Ukraine Border
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> Speaking ahead of a meeting of NATO defense ministers in
Brussels on February 15, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg
responded to Russia’s reported partial withdrawal by saying, “So
far we have not seen any sign of de-escalation on the ground.”
>
> “Russia has amassed a fighting force in and around Ukraine,
unprecedented since the Cold War,” he said. “Everything is now
in place for a new attack. But Russia still has time to step
back from the brink. Stop preparing for war.”
>
> Despite the seriousness of the security crisis, Stoltenberg
said there were “signs from Moscow that diplomacy should
continue. This gives grounds for cautious optimism.”
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Russia's parliament votes to recognize separatist regions in
eastern Ukraine I ABCNL
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> ABC News' James Longman discusses the next steps and how
significant the escalation would be if Putin gives the go-ahead
to invade Ukraine.
>
> #ABCNews #FigureSkatingScandal #OlympicsControversy
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Watts On Putin Pulling Back Troops: ‘He Is In A Position Where
He Could Invade At Any Moment'
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> NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel, Former US
Ambassador of NATO Douglas Lute, NBC News National Security
Analyst Clint Watts, and NBC News Political Analyst and New York
Times Chief White House Correspondent Peter Baker joined Chris
Jansing to discuss the confusion coming out of Ukraine after
Putin said Russia will pull back some of its troops. This
morning the Secretary General of NATO said “he doesn’t see any
evidence of a real de-escalation,” Engel says.
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Russia doesn't want war, ready for missile talks: Putin
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> Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia does not
want a war in Europe, but that the answers to its security
guarantee proposals given by the U.S. and NATO do not address
its demands.
>
> #News #Reuters #Russia #Ukraine #Putin
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 15, 2022, 2:09 pm
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Gravitas: What will China do if Russia invades Ukraine?
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> Vladimir Putin is counting on China to help Russia circumvent
possible western sanctions. Will Beijing openly back a Russian
invasion of Ukraine? What's in it for Xi Jinping? Palki Sharma
tells you.
>
> #Gravitas #China #RussiaUkraineConflict
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As Kirby said in a video a couple posts back: "That's
unfortunate"....
Putin Owns Scholz: Did You Forget About Illegal NATO Military
Operation Against Serbia In Europe?
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>
> Russian President Putin responds to German Chancellor Scholz
saying his generation can't imagine war in Europe: Forgot NATO
military operation against Serbia In Europe?
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See also:
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Re: Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 15, 2022, 5:25 pm
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‘West has been destroyed without a shot fired’ – Russia ???
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> The Russian Foreign Ministry has announced February 15 as “the
day Western propaganda failed”
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> With Russia announcing that its troops are pulling back
following the completion of exercises near the border with
Ukraine, Moscow has insisted that predictions it could be just
moments away from ordering a full-blown invasion have been
proven false.
>
> In a fiery statement on Tuesday, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman
Maria Zakharova poured scorn on weeks of reports and claims from
US and European officials that Moscow’s armed forces could be
just hours away from launching a strike against its neighbor.
>
> “15 February 2022 will go down in history as the day Western
war propaganda failed,” she wrote. According to her, the West
has been “shamed and destroyed without firing a single shot.”
>
> At the same time, Moscow’s Ministry of Defense announced that
a number of Russian troops had finished their training exercises
in Belarus, close to the Ukrainian border, and will begin the
process of withdrawing.
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HTML https://www.rt.com/russia/549410-western-war-propaganda-failed/
I don't understand this line of thinking at all? So, to clarify,
Ukraine joining NATO will be a total victory for Russia and a
failure of "Western propaganda"?
Continuing:
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> Amid fears of a potential incursion, Moscow has sought
security guarantees that would limit the expansion of NATO
closer to its borders and block Ukraine from joining its ranks.
However, the bloc’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has said
that Russia has “no veto” on Kiev’s ambitions to secure
membership.
>
> On Monday, Russia’s top diplomat, Foreign Minister Sergey
Lavrov, said that his side had been disappointed by the response
from NATO and the US, but there were still hopes of reaching a
diplomatic solution. Speaking shortly after Zakharova on
Tuesday, he claimed that Western reports of an imminent invasion
amounted to “information terrorism.”
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HTML https://www.rt.com/russia/549410-western-war-propaganda-failed/
You just contradicted yourself multiple times in your own
article, did you not?
And then I just read the top comment on this article:
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> Russia: “we demand guarantees from NATO and will take
necessary actions”
> pulls back force without concessions
> “WE. ARE. VICTORIOUS”
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:D
I hope this is some kind of master strategy from Russia to sow
confusion or else I'm going to be disappointed myself....
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