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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 26, 2023, 8:53 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg18501/#msg18501
[quote]
HTML https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Caspian-sea.jpg[/quote]
one possibility would be Georgia expanding until it has land
borders with Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtPaDXzKFI
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 28, 2023, 12:20 am
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Another article spreading our message but using the wrong tone:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/xi-jinping-plan-annex-russian-190000385.html
[quote]Xi Jinping’s plan to annex Russian territory is there for
all to see[/quote]
Except it's not even clear that Xi himself can see it.
[quote]Xi’s revisionist goals entail wiping out the shame of
historical territorial losses. He has imposed Communist
authority on Hong Kong, seeks to do so in Taiwan, and
undoubtedly has the same ambition for the 600,000 square
kilometres – three times the area of Great Britain – which
Tsarist Russia wrested from Opium War-weakened Manchu control in
1858-60 under the Treaties of Aigun and Peking. This area
includes parts of Siberia, from which Putin’s much-vaunted
pipeline deal would extract resources to sell to China.
Since the Chinese Communist Party regime derives much of what it
parades as “legitimacy” from these revanchist campaigns, paying
Putin for Siberian resources feels like buying family silver
back from a robber. Beijing regards its loss of Mongolian lands
in the same way, given the crucial Soviet role in breaking
Mongolia away from the remnants of Chinese authority in the
early 20th century.[/quote]
If we want the above to happen, we should not talk as though it
is already happening, but instead talk about it as something
which needs to happen ASAP.
Comments with the correct tone:
[quote]LOL. That territory was part of China until the Russians
took it. I've been wondering how much longer China would wait
before they took it back.[/quote]
[quote]Perhaps China should retake some territory that has been
grabbed by Russa, especially thinking of Outer Manchuria that
China was forced to cede to Russia during the Convention of
Beijing in 1860.[/quote]
[quote]Good time to do it. What is Putin going to do?[/quote]
[quote]I'm pretty sure if that happens China won't have to worry
about the US providing weapons to Russia like they have to
Ukraine.[/quote]
[quote]This is a cake walk for China. They just have to sit
back, and watch Putin destroy what's left of his army in
Ukraine. Then when the time is right, China will walk in and
seize the land back. Even though this move will not be good for
the west, they will do nothing to stop it.[/quote]
[quote]When China is ready to retake their lands from russia, no
one will come to russias defense. There will be crickets. I look
forward to the day.[/quote]
[quote]Let's hope China blind sides Trump's boss and take back
land from Russia.[/quote]
[quote]if they took everything East of the Ural Mountains, I
wouldn't shed a single tear.[/quote]
But even in the best-case scenario where this really does happen
under Xi, we still have another problem to worry about, as the
following comment points out:
[quote]Plenty of single Russian women, lots of single Chinese
men.[/quote]
Now is not too early to start convincing the latter to eliminate
the former's bloodlines instead of reproducing with them.
Otherwise the gene pool of China will become even more Turanized
than it already is.
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 3, 2023, 8:04 pm
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Our message keeps gaining traction:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-never-recover-devastating-collapse-180000997.html
[quote]As Russia’s dependency on Beijing deepens, Putin and his
successors need not expect any favours from the Chinese
Communist Party. Only in February, Beijing issued a decree that
eight Russian cities in east Siberia, which China claims as its
own, must be marked on international maps by their Chinese
names, including Vladivostok. Xi’s eyes may focus increasingly
on this long-running territorial dispute and a self-eviscerated
Russia may not be able to do anything about it.[/quote]
From the comments:
[quote]when the Russian republic collapses China can seize
territory with barely a shot fired.[/quote]
[quote]How do you say Siberia in Chinese.[/quote]
[quote] If China insists "Siberia is ours!" it should scare the
pants off most Russians. Souinds like China is just waaiting
for the most opportune timeas Putin's army continues to
diminish.[/quote]
[quote]Best time to do so for China would be right now. Russia
can't win one war with a smaller country . There's absolutely no
way Russia can handle 2 campaigns at once.[/quote]
[quote]China will trounce Russia in a day. China should take
back its stolen land, which is all of Siberia.[/quote]
[quote]It would be truly hilarious if China invaded southeastern
Russia and took the cities they consider historically
Chinese.[/quote]
[quote]I would actually love to see it and see Russia's
reaction.[/quote]
[quote]First get back "Outer Manchuria" which Russia took last
century.[/quote]
[quote]So funny that China is going to take Siberia as the price
for Russia's war on Ukraine.[/quote]
[quote]Russia did steal a large chunk in Siberia in the 19th
century. So yeah, karma.[/quote]
[quote]As Russia further weakens itself, in Ukraine, China will
invade Russia to take back Outer Manchuria, and maybe even
takeover Lake Baikal. China needs the oil, natural gas,
tungsten, water, etc. Wait for it.[/quote]
[quote]Russia annexed Vladivostok from China.. go
figure![/quote]
[quote]One day soon China will take back the cities Russia stole
from China.[/quote]
[quote]What will be a name of a new China province with the
province center in Moscow?[/quote]
[quote]The Russian people and Putin deserve everything that
comes their way.[/quote]
Let's hope China is gradually getting the message!
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 4, 2023, 9:13 pm
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In light of Finland joining NATO:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/atlantic-alliance-drifting-apart/msg18737/#msg18737
now would be a good time to re-raise:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_question
[quote]The Karelian question or Karelian issue (Finnish:
Karjala-kysymys, Swedish: Karelska frågan) is a dispute in
Finnish politics over whether to try to regain control over
eastern Karelia and other territories ceded to the Soviet Union
in the Winter War and the Continuation War. Despite the name
"Karelian question", the term may refer also to the return of
Petsamo, ceded parts of Salla and Kuusamo, and four islands in
the Gulf of Finland.[/quote]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Finnish_areas_ceded_in_1944.png
If you ask me, the best time for Finland to invade Karelia etc.
is right now while Russia is occupied with Ukraine.
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg15691/#msg15691
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 10, 2023, 2:55 am
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Our message continues:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/implosion-russia-great-power-opened-014101150.html
[quote]Russia's standing as a world power has deteriorated since
its invasion of Ukraine began, and that presents an opportunity
for China to take advantage of Moscow's weakening economy,
according to a report from Geopolitical Intelligence
Services.[/quote]
From the comments:
[quote]So when does China take back the lands Russia stole at
the end of WWII? [/quote]
[quote]When China Invade Russian Territories, territories That
Russia Take Too Much time Ago![/quote]
[quote]China can take back lost land from Russia. Thanks
friend![/quote]
[quote]How long before China owns eastern Siberia?[/quote]
[quote]At this point, China should annex Russia[/quote]
[quote]The only question China has is whether the road to
Chinese absorption of Russia would come quicker if Russia wins
or loses its war against Ukraine.[/quote]
[quote]China will need to turn on russia eventually. This will
be fun to watch.[/quote]
I especially like:
[quote]China and US will own Russia eventually[/quote]
On the other hand, I still fear it will not happen in reality,
as the following comment senses:
[quote]Never going to happen! Because that's American
Imperialist behavior. ! China wants nothing to do with it.
[/quote]
I fear that this is an accurate description of China's thinking
at present. Even with such a wide open opportunity, China could
end up turning it down. I wouldn't put it past China which to
date remains heavily psychologically colonized. I fully hope
that China can listen to the above comments, but I have no
confidence at all that it will.
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 31, 2023, 4:28 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-may-devoured-neighbours-122811595.html
[quote]Ukraine’s resistance to Putin’s invasion has demolished
the idea of Russian invincibility. Everyone knows Russia is not
the unbeatable empire Moscow was at pains to portray itself as
both outwardly and inwardly. And just as Russia is trying to
claim Ukraine as its own, other countries are eyeing chunks of
Russian land, spotting an opportunity as the war shows just how
weak the Russian army is. Nations within Russia are waiting for
the right time to oust the bully. The Kremlin should be wary of
promoting a world where it is acceptable to seize territories
through force; it only invites others to join in and claim parts
of Russia for themselves.
Japan was the first country to break its silence after the
full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year. Tokyo said of the
Kuril Islands that it was “completely unacceptable that the
Northern Territories have yet to be returned since the Soviet
Union’s illegal occupation of them 77 years ago”. That
annexation saw the expulsion of Japanese people from the
southern islands, and since then, the countries have failed to
reach a compromise. Talks broke down when Putin showed he was
not willing to share lands but only to gain new ones.
Then China started drawing maps marking part of Siberia and the
Russian Far East region as originally Chinese. Great areas of
Chinese land were annexed by Russia in the 19th century. Unable
to claim this territory back in a peaceful way, Beijing has
pursued economic expansion around Baikal and has been actively
purchasing and leasing lands near the border.
...
Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and even Ukraine could also
stake interests in vying for Russian lands. Russian fighters
infiltrating the Belgorod region under the Ukrainian flag served
as a reminder to Putin that others could also reclaim their
“primordial territories”. Kyiv aims to restore its 1991 borders
and end the war. Yet the prospect of exiled Russians on tanks
turning Russian border regions into “national republics” is seen
as a welcomed payback for Moscow’s deeds in the Donbas.
As Moscow pursues the expansion of its European borders,
national autonomies in Russia and their exiled leaders envision
the decolonization of Russia, dreaming of dividing it into 34
independent states. For now, national liberation movements are
absent due to oppression and persecution within Russia. When the
Soviet Union fell apart, several regions of Russia declared
their state sovereignty but were silenced. These regions have
constitutions stating their sovereignty as separate states, with
power-sharing treaties governing their relationship with Moscow.
These norms are “dormant”, but they can be activated as soon as
the regime demonstrates its inability to keep the empire under
control.
The Kremlin has well-founded fears of a possible cascade of
sovereignties in Russia. The Russian economy relies on resource
redistribution from the regions to Moscow. The prospect of
gaining control over their own finances could prompt local
elites to seek independence. The destruction of Chechnya showed
other nations that were forcibly joined to Russia how Moscow
handles “separatists”. Still, the Kremlin pushes the population
of these regions to the edge, throwing their men into the
battlefield in Ukraine as cannon fodder.
The poorest regions in Russia were affected by conscription the
most. Anti-war rallies have taken place in Dagestan, Kalmykia
and Buryatia, with the republics’ leaders speaking out against
the conscription. They feel they are treated as second-class
citizens based on ethnicity compared to those residing in St.
Petersburg or Moscow. The mounting number of caskets delivered
from the front line to small towns and villages further fuels
the flames. Once ignited, the liberation movement could sweep
through numerous regions, leaving the regime with only those
territories firmly aligned with the Russian narrative and
unwilling to break free from imperial rule.
The Ukrainian government believes that Russia’s imperialistic
ambitions must end with justice for everyone. It has recognised
the Kuril Islands and Chechen Republic of Ichkeria as
temporarily occupied by Russia and supports the exiled
politicians of Russian national minorities. Ukraine insists that
to achieve a prolonged peace in Eastern Europe, Moscow’s troops
must leave not only Crimea and Donbas but also Transnistria,
Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh. It is an idealistic dream, almost
impossible, because Putin won’t give up an inch of land for
free. Still, Moscow would be wise to watch its back. It may end
up reaping what it has sown as Russian lands prove too tempting
for its neighbours – and its oppressed citizens.[/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]We should do what we can to make it happen[/quote]
[quote]All these countries should coordinate and make their
decisive moves at the same time.[/quote]
[quote]Right now Japan should be moving into the islands and
kicking any Russians out.[/quote]
[quote]Kaliningrad was part of German East Prussia until 1945.
The city then was known as Koenigsberg. [/quote]
[quote]there will be time that China will ask for some land from
russia[/quote]
[quote]China needs raw materials...Russia is weak[/quote]
[quote]India's population exceeds 1.4 billion people and they
too will be looking to expand their territory. [/quote]
[quote]Betcha both China and India are making plans to divvy up
Russia's lands[/quote]
[quote]Nothing would be better than to see Russia reduced to the
point that it was not the threat it has been since the end of WW
II. "Third Rome" my rear.[/quote]
[quote]slice it up like a pie[/quote]
[quote]can we pull them back to 1300's Russia[/quote]
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 9, 2023, 8:50 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-foreign-ministry-threatens-japan-111335153.html
[quote]Russian Foreign Ministry threatens Japan with "serious
consequences" for providing weapons to Ukraine[/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]Japan should take back the Kuril Islands.[/quote]
[quote]Now would be a good time for Japan to take back the
Kurile Islands from Russia.[/quote]
[quote]Remember those islands Russia took from Japan after WW2?
It would be interesting if when China decides to take back
Siberia that Japan also decides to take back their
islands.[/quote]
[quote]I'm sure Japan would like to have those islands
back.[/quote]
[quote]This may be the way for Japan to get Sakhalin
back.[/quote]
[quote]Japan should supply the Russian occupied north islands
with Japanese missiles, tanks and jets; all firing at Russian
invaders.[/quote]
[quote]Nows Japan chance to take those iskands[/quote]
[quote]Japan will want its illegally occupied islands
back.[/quote]
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 27, 2023, 9:43 pm
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At last:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wagner-mutiny-exposes-risks-chinas-125215350.html
[quote]some in China - where critical speech is tightly
controlled - have started to question Beijing's bet on Russia.
China "will be more cautious with its words and actions about
Russia", said Shanghai-based international relations expert Shen
Dingli.
Some Chinese scholars have gone even further.
Yang Jun, a professor at Beijing's China University of Political
Science and Law, wrote a commentary published on Saturday that
called for China to directly support Ukraine to avoid being
"dragged into a quagmire of war by Russia".
"With the development of the current situation and the trend of
the war...(China) should further adjust its position on Russia
and Ukraine, make its attitude clearer, and decisively stand on
the side of the victors of history," he wrote in
Chinese-language Singaporean newspaper Lianhe Zaobao.[/quote]
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ambassador-unexpectedly-supports-ukraines-194420410.html
[quote]Fu Cong, Chinese ambassador to the European Union, has
said that he does not rule out Beijing's support for Ukraine's
desire to restore its territorial integrity by returning to the
borders of 1991.
Details: When journalists asked the Chinese diplomat about
supporting Ukraine's goals, in particular the return of
Ukrainian territories occupied by Russia, he replied,"I don’t
see why not".
Quote: "We respect the territorial integrity of all countries.
So when China established relations with the former Soviet
Union, that’s what we agreed on. But as I said, these are
historical issues that need to be negotiated and resolved by
Russia and Ukraine and that is what we stand for," Fu
said.[/quote]
What took you so long FFS?! Now comes the important part, as the
following comment states:
[quote]Let's see if he's "corrected" by Beijing in the next few
days.[/quote]
But at least the woke comments continue:
[quote]This statement also implied that Russia should give back
Outer Manchuria to China.[/quote]
[quote]Chinese ambassador unexpectedly supports Ukraine's desire
to liberate Crimea. "Crimea historically belongs to Ukraine."
--- Yes, this also means that "Siberia historically belongs to
China."[/quote]
[quote]Siberia was part of China for over a thousand years
before Russia took Siberia from China. China now wanting to
respect historical borders of countries is ungodly dangerous for
Russia. China has nukes and a powerhouse army who can crush
weakened Russia.[/quote]
[quote]China will support Ukraine getting its territory back and
while they are at it, the Chinese would like to talk to Russia
about its territory the Russians seized a hundred years ago in
the far east. The area that has the natural gas that Russia now
wants to sell the Chinese. That does not sit well with the
Chinese, to pay for gas from land taken from them by Russia.
Not well at all.[/quote]
[quote]Taking back Siberia is a thousand times more valuable
than Taiwan.[/quote]
[quote]China is changing their minds now because of how weak
Russia is. China wants to take back Siberia. Siberia was part of
China for over a thousand years until World War One.[/quote]
[quote]If Ukraine can take back land from Russia, shouldn't
China be allowed to do the same? Maybe that's the thrust of the
Chinese diplomat's point.[/quote]
[quote]China may get the land Russia annexed in Siberia about
100 years ago; that would solve Chinas' need for fuel and water
and grain.[/quote]
[quote]LOL China is changing its position because it realized
Ukraine could set a precedent for its own border disputes with
Russia and Japan would also be able to take territory back they
would effectively weaken Russia [/quote]
[quote]Everyone is about to start yanking land back from
Russia.[/quote]
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 10, 2023, 1:00 am
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-resources-china-needs-fight-201500615.html
[quote]Russia has resources China needs[/quote]
Our message keeps appearing:
[quote]Seems like a perfect time to invade.[/quote]
[quote]Every educated person understands Russia has vast
resources and China needs access to these Russian resources in
order to function militarily and economically. Russia has
reserves of pretty much every metal and element you can think
of.[/quote]
[quote]China can get any item it needs by invading Russia,I'm
for assisting China vs. Putin![/quote]
[quote]If Putin gets any weaker China could just walk in and
take what they want.[/quote]
[quote]China should forget about Taiwan and head
north , take over Russia's Far Eastern
lands----unguarded ,those troops are fighting the
ukes-- Easy pickings-----after that take Taiwan---with
planning, get both[/quote]
[quote]they may just decide to take back the area around
Vladivostok. The Chinese still refer to it by its Chinese
name.[/quote]
[quote]Since Russia is so weak now that China can start a
campaign to get its land back and also grab the naturally rich
land of Siberia and Russia won’t be able to defend itself from
another onslaught from a new front. [/quote]
[quote]President Xi, should seriously consider changing course
about war with the west and more about recovering ancestral
lands Russia stole in the 1800's., (which is loaded with all
minerals and FRESH WATER in very short supply). This idea of
invasion, China has developed about Taiwan, many other island
nations is very bad for all Asian nations and their allies.
Many of these islands will be underwater in 50-100 years at the
rate global warming is progressing, so the rush to go to war
with them?[/quote]
[quote]Parts of modern Russia used to be part of China and the
Chinese quietly want them back.[/quote]
[quote]Russia is a proven Wimp. China can just quickly invade
and take over all of the Asian part of Russia [/quote]
[quote]Yes. China can annex resource rich areas of Russia there
by removing any leverage Putin might have [/quote]
Offtopic wokeness:
[quote]and whites must be wiped out worldwide[/quote]
[quote]Whites and the west are the most evil thing that has ever
come out of human history.[/quote]
[quote]Wonder who made up racist stereotypes first? Again it's
whites. Whites are the world's true evil[/quote]
[quote]whites are the world's most hypocritical racists in human
history[/quote]
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Re: War
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 13, 2023, 7:35 pm
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South Korea should also invade Russia now:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0t3ZugfBtg
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