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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 26, 2023, 8:53 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg18501/#msg18501
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HTML https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Caspian-sea.jpg
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one possibility would be Georgia expanding until it has land
borders with Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtPaDXzKFI
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 28, 2023, 12:20 am
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Another article spreading our message but using the wrong tone:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/xi-jinping-plan-annex-russian-190000385.html
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> Xi Jinping’s plan to annex Russian territory is there for all
to see
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Except it's not even clear that Xi himself can see it.
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> Xi’s revisionist goals entail wiping out the shame of
historical territorial losses. He has imposed Communist
authority on Hong Kong, seeks to do so in Taiwan, and
undoubtedly has the same ambition for the 600,000 square
kilometres – three times the area of Great Britain – which
Tsarist Russia wrested from Opium War-weakened Manchu control in
1858-60 under the Treaties of Aigun and Peking. This area
includes parts of Siberia, from which Putin’s much-vaunted
pipeline deal would extract resources to sell to China.
>
> Since the Chinese Communist Party regime derives much of what
it parades as “legitimacy” from these revanchist campaigns,
paying Putin for Siberian resources feels like buying family
silver back from a robber. Beijing regards its loss of Mongolian
lands in the same way, given the crucial Soviet role in breaking
Mongolia away from the remnants of Chinese authority in the
early 20th century.
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If we want the above to happen, we should not talk as though it
is already happening, but instead talk about it as something
which needs to happen ASAP.
Comments with the correct tone:
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> LOL. That territory was part of China until the Russians took
it. I've been wondering how much longer China would wait before
they took it back.
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> Perhaps China should retake some territory that has been
grabbed by Russa, especially thinking of Outer Manchuria that
China was forced to cede to Russia during the Convention of
Beijing in 1860.
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> Good time to do it. What is Putin going to do?
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> I'm pretty sure if that happens China won't have to worry
about the US providing weapons to Russia like they have to
Ukraine.
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> This is a cake walk for China. They just have to sit back, and
watch Putin destroy what's left of his army in Ukraine. Then
when the time is right, China will walk in and seize the land
back. Even though this move will not be good for the west, they
will do nothing to stop it.
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> When China is ready to retake their lands from russia, no one
will come to russias defense. There will be crickets. I look
forward to the day.
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> Let's hope China blind sides Trump's boss and take back land
from Russia.
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> if they took everything East of the Ural Mountains, I wouldn't
shed a single tear.
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But even in the best-case scenario where this really does happen
under Xi, we still have another problem to worry about, as the
following comment points out:
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> Plenty of single Russian women, lots of single Chinese men.
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Now is not too early to start convincing the latter to eliminate
the former's bloodlines instead of reproducing with them.
Otherwise the gene pool of China will become even more Turanized
than it already is.
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 3, 2023, 8:04 pm
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Our message keeps gaining traction:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-never-recover-devastating-collapse-180000997.html
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> As Russia’s dependency on Beijing deepens, Putin and his
successors need not expect any favours from the Chinese
Communist Party. Only in February, Beijing issued a decree that
eight Russian cities in east Siberia, which China claims as its
own, must be marked on international maps by their Chinese
names, including Vladivostok. Xi’s eyes may focus increasingly
on this long-running territorial dispute and a self-eviscerated
Russia may not be able to do anything about it.
--- End Quote ---
From the comments:
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> when the Russian republic collapses China can seize territory
with barely a shot fired.
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> How do you say Siberia in Chinese.
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> If China insists "Siberia is ours!" it should scare the pants
off most Russians. Souinds like China is just waaiting for the
most opportune timeas Putin's army continues to diminish.
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> Best time to do so for China would be right now. Russia can't
win one war with a smaller country . There's absolutely no way
Russia can handle 2 campaigns at once.
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> China will trounce Russia in a day. China should take back its
stolen land, which is all of Siberia.
--- End Quote ---
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> It would be truly hilarious if China invaded southeastern
Russia and took the cities they consider historically Chinese.
--- End Quote ---
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> I would actually love to see it and see Russia's reaction.
--- End Quote ---
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> First get back "Outer Manchuria" which Russia took last
century.
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> So funny that China is going to take Siberia as the price for
Russia's war on Ukraine.
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> Russia did steal a large chunk in Siberia in the 19th century.
So yeah, karma.
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> As Russia further weakens itself, in Ukraine, China will
invade Russia to take back Outer Manchuria, and maybe even
takeover Lake Baikal. China needs the oil, natural gas,
tungsten, water, etc. Wait for it.
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> Russia annexed Vladivostok from China.. go figure!
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> One day soon China will take back the cities Russia stole from
China.
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> What will be a name of a new China province with the province
center in Moscow?
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> The Russian people and Putin deserve everything that comes
their way.
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Let's hope China is gradually getting the message!
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 4, 2023, 9:13 pm
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In light of Finland joining NATO:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/atlantic-alliance-drifting-apart/msg18737/#msg18737
now would be a good time to re-raise:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_question
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> The Karelian question or Karelian issue (Finnish:
Karjala-kysymys, Swedish: Karelska frågan) is a dispute in
Finnish politics over whether to try to regain control over
eastern Karelia and other territories ceded to the Soviet Union
in the Winter War and the Continuation War. Despite the name
"Karelian question", the term may refer also to the return of
Petsamo, ceded parts of Salla and Kuusamo, and four islands in
the Gulf of Finland.
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HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Finnish_areas_ceded_in_1944.png
If you ask me, the best time for Finland to invade Karelia etc.
is right now while Russia is occupied with Ukraine.
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg15691/#msg15691
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 10, 2023, 2:55 am
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Our message continues:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/implosion-russia-great-power-opened-014101150.html
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> Russia's standing as a world power has deteriorated since its
invasion of Ukraine began, and that presents an opportunity for
China to take advantage of Moscow's weakening economy, according
to a report from Geopolitical Intelligence Services.
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From the comments:
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> So when does China take back the lands Russia stole at the end
of WWII?
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> When China Invade Russian Territories, territories That
Russia Take Too Much time Ago!
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> China can take back lost land from Russia. Thanks friend!
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> How long before China owns eastern Siberia?
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> At this point, China should annex Russia
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> The only question China has is whether the road to Chinese
absorption of Russia would come quicker if Russia wins or loses
its war against Ukraine.
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> China will need to turn on russia eventually. This will be
fun to watch.
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I especially like:
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> China and US will own Russia eventually
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On the other hand, I still fear it will not happen in reality,
as the following comment senses:
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> Never going to happen! Because that's American Imperialist
behavior. ! China wants nothing to do with it.
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I fear that this is an accurate description of China's thinking
at present. Even with such a wide open opportunity, China could
end up turning it down. I wouldn't put it past China which to
date remains heavily psychologically colonized. I fully hope
that China can listen to the above comments, but I have no
confidence at all that it will.
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 31, 2023, 4:28 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-may-devoured-neighbours-122811595.html
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> Ukraine’s resistance to Putin’s invasion has demolished the
idea of Russian invincibility. Everyone knows Russia is not the
unbeatable empire Moscow was at pains to portray itself as both
outwardly and inwardly. And just as Russia is trying to claim
Ukraine as its own, other countries are eyeing chunks of Russian
land, spotting an opportunity as the war shows just how weak the
Russian army is. Nations within Russia are waiting for the right
time to oust the bully. The Kremlin should be wary of promoting
a world where it is acceptable to seize territories through
force; it only invites others to join in and claim parts of
Russia for themselves.
>
> Japan was the first country to break its silence after the
full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year. Tokyo said of the
Kuril Islands that it was “completely unacceptable that the
Northern Territories have yet to be returned since the Soviet
Union’s illegal occupation of them 77 years ago”. That
annexation saw the expulsion of Japanese people from the
southern islands, and since then, the countries have failed to
reach a compromise. Talks broke down when Putin showed he was
not willing to share lands but only to gain new ones.
>
> Then China started drawing maps marking part of Siberia and
the Russian Far East region as originally Chinese. Great areas
of Chinese land were annexed by Russia in the 19th century.
Unable to claim this territory back in a peaceful way, Beijing
has pursued economic expansion around Baikal and has been
actively purchasing and leasing lands near the border.
> ...
> Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and even Ukraine could also
stake interests in vying for Russian lands. Russian fighters
infiltrating the Belgorod region under the Ukrainian flag served
as a reminder to Putin that others could also reclaim their
“primordial territories”. Kyiv aims to restore its 1991 borders
and end the war. Yet the prospect of exiled Russians on tanks
turning Russian border regions into “national republics” is seen
as a welcomed payback for Moscow’s deeds in the Donbas.
>
> As Moscow pursues the expansion of its European borders,
national autonomies in Russia and their exiled leaders envision
the decolonization of Russia, dreaming of dividing it into 34
independent states. For now, national liberation movements are
absent due to oppression and persecution within Russia. When the
Soviet Union fell apart, several regions of Russia declared
their state sovereignty but were silenced. These regions have
constitutions stating their sovereignty as separate states, with
power-sharing treaties governing their relationship with Moscow.
These norms are “dormant”, but they can be activated as soon as
the regime demonstrates its inability to keep the empire under
control.
>
> The Kremlin has well-founded fears of a possible cascade of
sovereignties in Russia. The Russian economy relies on resource
redistribution from the regions to Moscow. The prospect of
gaining control over their own finances could prompt local
elites to seek independence. The destruction of Chechnya showed
other nations that were forcibly joined to Russia how Moscow
handles “separatists”. Still, the Kremlin pushes the population
of these regions to the edge, throwing their men into the
battlefield in Ukraine as cannon fodder.
>
> The poorest regions in Russia were affected by conscription
the most. Anti-war rallies have taken place in Dagestan,
Kalmykia and Buryatia, with the republics’ leaders speaking out
against the conscription. They feel they are treated as
second-class citizens based on ethnicity compared to those
residing in St. Petersburg or Moscow. The mounting number of
caskets delivered from the front line to small towns and
villages further fuels the flames. Once ignited, the liberation
movement could sweep through numerous regions, leaving the
regime with only those territories firmly aligned with the
Russian narrative and unwilling to break free from imperial
rule.
>
> The Ukrainian government believes that Russia’s imperialistic
ambitions must end with justice for everyone. It has recognised
the Kuril Islands and Chechen Republic of Ichkeria as
temporarily occupied by Russia and supports the exiled
politicians of Russian national minorities. Ukraine insists that
to achieve a prolonged peace in Eastern Europe, Moscow’s troops
must leave not only Crimea and Donbas but also Transnistria,
Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh. It is an idealistic dream, almost
impossible, because Putin won’t give up an inch of land for
free. Still, Moscow would be wise to watch its back. It may end
up reaping what it has sown as Russian lands prove too tempting
for its neighbours – and its oppressed citizens.
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Woke comments:
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> We should do what we can to make it happen
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> All these countries should coordinate and make their decisive
moves at the same time.
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> Right now Japan should be moving into the islands and kicking
any Russians out.
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> Kaliningrad was part of German East Prussia until 1945. The
city then was known as Koenigsberg.
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> there will be time that China will ask for some land from
russia
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> China needs raw materials...Russia is weak
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> India's population exceeds 1.4 billion people and they too
will be looking to expand their territory.
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> Betcha both China and India are making plans to divvy up
Russia's lands
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> Nothing would be better than to see Russia reduced to the
point that it was not the threat it has been since the end of WW
II. "Third Rome" my rear.
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> slice it up like a pie
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> can we pull them back to 1300's Russia
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 8:50 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-foreign-ministry-threatens-japan-111335153.html
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> Russian Foreign Ministry threatens Japan with "serious
consequences" for providing weapons to Ukraine
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Woke comments:
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> Japan should take back the Kuril Islands.
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> Now would be a good time for Japan to take back the Kurile
Islands from Russia.
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> Remember those islands Russia took from Japan after WW2? It
would be interesting if when China decides to take back Siberia
that Japan also decides to take back their islands.
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> I'm sure Japan would like to have those islands back.
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> This may be the way for Japan to get Sakhalin back.
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> Japan should supply the Russian occupied north islands with
Japanese missiles, tanks and jets; all firing at Russian
invaders.
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> Nows Japan chance to take those iskands
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> Japan will want its illegally occupied islands back.
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 27, 2023, 9:43 pm
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At last:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wagner-mutiny-exposes-risks-chinas-125215350.html
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> some in China - where critical speech is tightly controlled -
have started to question Beijing's bet on Russia.
>
> China "will be more cautious with its words and actions about
Russia", said Shanghai-based international relations expert Shen
Dingli.
>
> Some Chinese scholars have gone even further.
>
> Yang Jun, a professor at Beijing's China University of
Political Science and Law, wrote a commentary published on
Saturday that called for China to directly support Ukraine to
avoid being "dragged into a quagmire of war by Russia".
>
> "With the development of the current situation and the trend
of the war...(China) should further adjust its position on
Russia and Ukraine, make its attitude clearer, and decisively
stand on the side of the victors of history," he wrote in
Chinese-language Singaporean newspaper Lianhe Zaobao.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ambassador-unexpectedly-supports-ukraines-194420410.html
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> Fu Cong, Chinese ambassador to the European Union, has said
that he does not rule out Beijing's support for Ukraine's desire
to restore its territorial integrity by returning to the borders
of 1991.
>
> Details: When journalists asked the Chinese diplomat about
supporting Ukraine's goals, in particular the return of
Ukrainian territories occupied by Russia, he replied,"I don’t
see why not".
>
> Quote: "We respect the territorial integrity of all countries.
So when China established relations with the former Soviet
Union, that’s what we agreed on. But as I said, these are
historical issues that need to be negotiated and resolved by
Russia and Ukraine and that is what we stand for," Fu said.
--- End Quote ---
What took you so long FFS?! Now comes the important part, as the
following comment states:
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> Let's see if he's "corrected" by Beijing in the next few days.
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But at least the woke comments continue:
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> This statement also implied that Russia should give back Outer
Manchuria to China.
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> Chinese ambassador unexpectedly supports Ukraine's desire to
liberate Crimea. "Crimea historically belongs to Ukraine." ---
Yes, this also means that "Siberia historically belongs to
China."
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> Siberia was part of China for over a thousand years before
Russia took Siberia from China. China now wanting to respect
historical borders of countries is ungodly dangerous for Russia.
China has nukes and a powerhouse army who can crush weakened
Russia.
--- End Quote ---
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> China will support Ukraine getting its territory back and
while they are at it, the Chinese would like to talk to Russia
about its territory the Russians seized a hundred years ago in
the far east. The area that has the natural gas that Russia now
wants to sell the Chinese. That does not sit well with the
Chinese, to pay for gas from land taken from them by Russia.
Not well at all.
--- End Quote ---
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> Taking back Siberia is a thousand times more valuable than
Taiwan.
--- End Quote ---
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> China is changing their minds now because of how weak Russia
is. China wants to take back Siberia. Siberia was part of China
for over a thousand years until World War One.
--- End Quote ---
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> If Ukraine can take back land from Russia, shouldn't China be
allowed to do the same? Maybe that's the thrust of the Chinese
diplomat's point.
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> China may get the land Russia annexed in Siberia about 100
years ago; that would solve Chinas' need for fuel and water and
grain.
--- End Quote ---
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> LOL China is changing its position because it realized Ukraine
could set a precedent for its own border disputes with Russia
and Japan would also be able to take territory back they would
effectively weaken Russia
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> Everyone is about to start yanking land back from Russia.
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 10, 2023, 1:00 am
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-resources-china-needs-fight-201500615.html
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> Russia has resources China needs
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Our message keeps appearing:
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> Seems like a perfect time to invade.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Every educated person understands Russia has vast resources
and China needs access to these Russian resources in order to
function militarily and economically. Russia has reserves of
pretty much every metal and element you can think of.
--- End Quote ---
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> China can get any item it needs by invading Russia,I'm for
assisting China vs. Putin!
--- End Quote ---
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> If Putin gets any weaker China could just walk in and take
what they want.
--- End Quote ---
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> China should forget about Taiwan and head north
, take over Russia's Far Eastern lands----unguarded
,those troops are fighting the ukes-- Easy
pickings-----after that take Taiwan---with planning, get
both
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> they may just decide to take back the area around Vladivostok.
The Chinese still refer to it by its Chinese name.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Since Russia is so weak now that China can start a campaign to
get its land back and also grab the naturally rich land of
Siberia and Russia won’t be able to defend itself from another
onslaught from a new front.
--- End Quote ---
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> President Xi, should seriously consider changing course about
war with the west and more about recovering ancestral lands
Russia stole in the 1800's., (which is loaded with all minerals
and FRESH WATER in very short supply). This idea of invasion,
China has developed about Taiwan, many other island nations is
very bad for all Asian nations and their allies. Many of these
islands will be underwater in 50-100 years at the rate global
warming is progressing, so the rush to go to war with them?
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Parts of modern Russia used to be part of China and the
Chinese quietly want them back.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Russia is a proven Wimp. China can just quickly invade and
take over all of the Asian part of Russia
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Yes. China can annex resource rich areas of Russia there by
removing any leverage Putin might have
--- End Quote ---
Offtopic wokeness:
--- Quote ---
> and whites must be wiped out worldwide
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Whites and the west are the most evil thing that has ever come
out of human history.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Wonder who made up racist stereotypes first? Again it's
whites. Whites are the world's true evil
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> whites are the world's most hypocritical racists in human
history
--- End Quote ---
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Re: War
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 13, 2023, 7:35 pm
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South Korea should also invade Russia now:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0t3ZugfBtg
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