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#Post#: 11053--------------------------------------------------
China and European Union Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 4, 2022, 12:35 pm
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Economic entanglement and systemic rivalry: Germany and China at
a crossroads
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> China is Germany's biggest trading partner. Almost 1 in 3
shipping containers in the German city of Hamburg is either
heading to China, or coming in from a Chinese port. In Hamburg
the ties are so strong that a shipping line owned by China's
government even bought a stake in this terminal.
> This is a story of how Germany pumped up its economy on
business with China and how it got closer than any other western
power to the leaders in Beijing. Only to wonder if all of this
is a good idea. Under president Xi Jinping, China has become a
darker dictatorship, one that's challenging the power and values
of the West. China is not only developing, but also bit by bit
exporting an authoritarian regime that is antagonistic against
our belief in democracy and human rights. The US is lining up
the West to take a stand for democracy in a battle of the
systems that will define this century. Many want Germany to
join. There's going to be pressure from within the German
population, from Germany's major allies outside of Europe,
pushing Germany towards a harder line.
> But is Germany really prepared to risk all this in a showdown
with China? Germany's new government faces a choice - a dilemma.
Should it keep following the money? Or does it need to think
again? In this video we're going to find out how Germany got so
entangled with China, how the last few years have shown what it
is they're really dealing with. And we'll examine whether the
new team running Germany really wants to make a new start.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UN99-3kJ_Y
Democracy + human-rights = tribalism. Yet Westerners supposedly
believe in nation-states? What is left to conclude except the
fact that Westerners are hypocrites and morons?
#Post#: 12430--------------------------------------------------
China and European Union Relations
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 1, 2022, 4:14 pm
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'Reputational damage': EU warns China against backing Russia's
Ukraine war • FRANCE 24 English
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> Top EU officials warned China's leader Xi Jinping at a virtual
summit Friday that any attempt to aid Russia's war in Ukraine
could hurt business ties between the two economic superpowers.
> #Ukraine #China #EU
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 29, 2022, 8:56 pm
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Xi's disgusting Eurocentrism on display:
HTML https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18476/eu-china-relations
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> Xi also called on the European Union chart an independent
course from the United States on relations with China.
> ...
> "China and the EU, as two major forces, big markets and great
civilizations, should increase communication on their relations
and on major issues concerning global peace and development, and
play a constructive role in adding stabilizing factors to a
turbulent world.
>
> "Xi called on the EU to form its own perception of China,
adopt an independent China policy, and work with China for the
steady and sustained growth of China-EU relations."
--- End Quote ---
Translation: "I have given up trying to improve relations with
the US but I will never give up being a tail-wagging
Eurocentrist."
Xi literally called China's colonizers a "great civilization"!
HTML https://www.chinasage.info/maps/TreatyPorts1900.jpg
With this one statement he has simultaneously insulted not only
China but also every other historical victim of Western
colonialism (including America).
This is the exact opposite of the correct approach. Fawning to
your own colonizers signals to them that the colonization has
not really ended. The colonizers will sense this and hence
perceive a green light to punch down on China even harder than
they already do. And then Xi will be puzzled about why his
carefully prepared speech backfired.
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> Borrell later rebuked the Chinese leadership:
>
> "This was not exactly a dialogue, maybe a dialogue of the
deaf.
--- End Quote ---
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> The director of the Asia program at the European Council on
Foreign Relations, Janka Oertel, added:
> ...
> "For the Chinese leadership under President Xi Jinping,
everything — including the war — is currently refracted through
the lens of domestic politics and the global rivalry with the
US.
--- End Quote ---
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> In an interview with ChinaFile, Jacques deLisle, Director of
the Center for the Study of Contemporary China at the University
of Pennsylvania, said:
> ...
> "Chinese summit and post-summit statements, like Beijing's
response to the Ukraine crisis generally, have made China seem
much less than a capable and responsible power.
--- End Quote ---
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> Shannon Tiezzi, Editor-in-Chief of The Diplomat, wrote:
> ...
> "Beijing has constantly urged Europe to adopt an 'independent
policy toward China,' something Xi repeated in the meeting on
Friday. In blunter terms, China does not want Brussels to
coordinate its China strategy with Washington. But in its
constant repetition of this theme, Beijing misses the point:
Europe has its own concerns about China, independently of the
United States.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here is the "Great Hall of the People" in Beijing:
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Does this decor look even remotely Chinese? Great Hall of the
Colonized People would be a better description! Xi sure seems to
be proud of it, though.....
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 10, 2022, 10:37 pm
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Is it sheer stupidity or is it blind Eurocentrism?
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/xi-tells-scholz-europes-security-093000966.html
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> Xi tells Scholz that Europe's security 'should be kept in the
hands of Europeans'
> ...
> "The security of Europe should be kept in the hands of
Europeans themselves," Xi told Scholz, according to the Chinese
foreign ministry readout. "The European side needs to show
historical responsibility and political wisdom, bear in mind the
long-term stability of Europe, and promote a solution in a
responsible manner."
--- End Quote ---
Anyone with the slightest common sense can see that the choice
is between:
1) more US troops being needed in the Atlantic and hence US
troops being withdrawn from the Pacific;
2) fewer US troops being needed in the Atlantic and hence US
troops increasing their presence in the Pacific.
Xi should be trying to achieve 1), yet being the incompetent
clown that he is, instead he is actively striving for 2)!
See also:
HTML https://authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2018/03/countering-pacific-pivot.html
Back to first link:
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> Xi said China and the EU had "far more common interests than
differences"
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Only in Xi's sick fantasies:
HTML https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/1162042/20151015-why-xi-jinping-getting-royal-reception-britain
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> When Xi Jinping visits Britain next week, the president and
his wife, Peng Liyuan, will stay in the Belgian suite of
Buckingham Palace, where Prince William and Kate Middleton spent
the first night of their marriage.
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Ew..... That Xi did not see this as a veiled insult shows how
psychologically colonized he is.
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> He will address Parliament, ride in a royal carriage and be
given a formal banquet by Queen Elizabeth.
> ...
> The Belgian suite has three rooms and is often used by the
queen for private meetings.
>
> Its main color is yellow, and the suite has has statues of
George III and his wife.
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Look how happy Xi is to be surrounded by Western architecture:
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 29, 2022, 2:52 am
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Previously:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg111/?topicseen#msg111
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> "Here is an example of a False Leftist purportedly “defending”
China, by citing Xi’s election victory as evidence of the
democratic nature of the regime."
>
> The problem is that Singh is only repeating the Xi's own line:
Xi himself frequently claims that China is "democratic" (and
worse, "more democratic" than Western countries)! Instead of
taking pride in China being the last major holdout for autocracy
in the whole world, Xi seems to want to redefine the term
"democratic" to describe China's system of government! This is
extremely buffoonish. Not only does it waste its present chance
to vaunt the superiority of autocracy and thus commence the
long-awaited counterrevolution against democracy, but it also
fails to convince actual democrats (e.g. Hong Kong rightists)
and instead merely supplies them with easy ammo with which to
accuse the Xi of gaslighting.
>
> "Democratic" is not a synonym for "good". But Xi will never
understand this (you can tell this just from his clothes).
>
> ---
>
> "If China is democratized it’s over."
>
> If China starts having popular vote it is definitely over. But
even if it does not, the very fact that it feels the need to
call itself "democratic" (though without popular vote) is still
a sign that it is in rhetorical retreat.
>
> Unlike the False Left which merely follows Xi's rhetoric
claiming to be "democratic" (though without popular vote), the
True Left approach to positivity towards China should more often
involve educating people about pre-modern Chinese rulers (who
were autocratic and proud of it).
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> "I see that Chinese leadership always said China has their own
"Chinese" democracy."
>
> This shows how cowardly they are. They should be giving credit
to autocracy for China's success, thus inspiring scepticism
towards democracy by presenting China as a representative of the
alternative. Instead they go with the cowardly claim that China
is merely a "different type of democracy". Such a statement
implies that they themselves believe that democracy has the
moral high ground, but worse, everyone knows the statement
itself ("China is democratic") is false, therefore everyone can
now accuse China of actually knowing democracy is superior
(hence being motivated to claim to be democratic) but still
refusing to become democratic in reality, which is the worst
position China can put itself in.
>
> This is a perfect example of China's PR incompetence as noted
above.
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The coward is back:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/xi-jinping-says-china-consulted-090650352.html
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> Chinese President Xi Jinping announced on Sunday that China
had conducted a nationwide campaign that gathered public opinion
on what the country's senior leadership should look like in the
next five years.
>
> He called it an example of a "whole-process people's
democracy," which Beijing has touted as being better than the
West's model of democracy. This brand of democracy practiced in
China appears to include holding local elections and frequent
public consultation on issues.
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So you've been handed on a plate a ready-made autocratic
superpower, and instead of using China to promote the advantages
of autocracy, you are going to claim China is a democracy too?
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> Xi's own definition of "whole-process democracy" isn't
completely clear. He has described it as a form of government in
which "all major legislative decisions are made in accordance
with procedures, through democratic deliberation, and through
scientific and democratic decision-making."
--- End Quote ---
When you are trying to define something, using the word you are
trying to define as part of the definition turns it into a
circular definition. All it shows is how scared you are that
others might even momentarily perceive you as non-democratic!
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> The description implies that the Chinese government actively
allows citizens to influence policies and major decisions after
the local elections conclude. China's Foreign Ministry has said
that this system represents a "true and high-quality democracy
that works."
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Why can't China simply be described as an autocracy that works?
Why does everything have to preliminarily claim to be democratic
before claiming to be anything else positive? Most importantly,
do you realize that every time you talk like this, you are
implying that ancient China (as well as, for that matter, every
other non-Western civilization in the world), which never valued
democracy of any kind, are all inferior to Western civilization?
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> "If the people are awakened only to cast a vote but become
dormant afterward, that is no true democracy," China's Chargé
d'affaires in Australia wrote in December, taking a jab at
Western democracy. "If the people are offered great hopes during
electoral campaigning but have no say afterward, that is no true
democracy."
--- End Quote ---
Even if you can thus get Chinese believing that present-day
China is better than present-day Western countries, so what?
Since you are saying China is better by Western standards, they
will continue to believe China only became better via contact
with Western civilization. They will continue to have a low
opinion of ancient China (not to mention other non-Western
civilizations).
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 8, 2022, 1:49 pm
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HTML https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/17/china/china-europe-relations-ukraine-russia-intl-mic-hnk/index.html
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> China once saw Europe as a counter to US power. Now ties are
at an abysmal low
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The part in bold was the mistake. Now is the chance to correct
it.
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> it is a significant blow for Beijing's ideal vision: a Europe
with robust China ties that provides a counterbalance to
American power and posture.
>
> "China and the EU should act as two major forces upholding
world peace, and offset uncertainties in the international
landscape," Xi told EU leaders at a summit in April
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Xi has it the wrong way round. China and America should act as
two major forces upholding world peace, counterbalancing the
power of the former Western colonial powers. But Xi being a
Eurocentrist of course prefers to fantasize about his
Eurocentric vision.
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> There has been acknowledgment of China's myopia among mainland
scholars,
>
> Chen Dingding, founding director of the Intellisia Institute
think tank in Guangzhou, wrote in a coauthored article in The
Diplomat, that the risks of the war in Ukraine are "not fully
understood in China," where officials and academics had failed
to acknowledge the "shock" that death and destruction in Ukraine
would bring Europeans.
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That's because the Chinese officials and academics do not
understand the sheer racism of those whom they are dealing with.
They observed the indifference towards the death and destruction
in Syria, Yemen, etc. and naively assumed the EU would view the
same in Ukraine with similar indifference. Of course this was
not the case:
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: guest78
Date: August 18, 2022, 11:54 am
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China & Europe's Relationship is Collapsing: The End of 16+1
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> Over recent years China and Europe's relationship has been
eroding. Despite a good start at the beginning of 2010 things
have well and truly gone off the rails. So let's explore what
lead to this downfall & what happens next.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX0D5upjXAY
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 16, 2022, 8:22 pm
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Latest bootlicking by Eurocentrist Xi:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/xi-asks-italian-pm-help-183745724.html
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> BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Xi Jinping told Italian
Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni on Wednesday at the G20 summit in
Indonesia that he hoped Italy would play an important role in
helping the European Union's policy towards China remain
"positive" and "independent."
>
> In their first-ever meeting, Xi and Meloni praised each
other's countries as ancient civilisations, with Xi pointing out
China's cooperation with Italy on battling COVID-19, and calling
on China-Italy relations to become a "model for the development
of relations between two countries with different social systems
and cultural backgrounds," according to state broadcaster CCTV.
--- End Quote ---
Background:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_concession_of_Tianjin
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> On 7 June 1902, the Italians took control of the concession,
which was to be administered by an Italian consul.
>
> After the First World War, Italy desired to add the former
Austro-Hungarian concession which was adjacent to the Italian
concession, and would have doubled its size. However, in 1917
China terminated the leases of Germany and Austria-Hungary's
concessions. The districts were converted into "Special Areas"
under Chinese control, with a separate administration from the
rest of Tientsin.
>
> Italy requested again the Austrian concession at the end of
First World War and obtained it in 1920.[1]
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Does Xi care? Of course not (just like he doesn't care about all
the refugees unnecessarily drowning in the Mediterranean every
day since Meloni came into power):
HTML https://news.italy24.press/trends/203509.html
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> A meeting “marked by cordiality”, echoed Palazzo Chigi. So
much so that, at the end of the face-to-face meeting, Xi invited
Meloni to pay a visit to China.
> ...
> There are immediately two details to underline. The first
concerns the duration of the meeting, which has come close to 60
minutes, which is much more than expected. The second aspect
calls into question the Chinese side’s interest in this
bilateral agreement, given that the Dragon has deployed a
high-profile delegation, such as Foreign Minister Wang Yi and
the governor of the Central Bank (Pboc) Yi Gang.
--- End Quote ---
His facial expression tells it all:
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Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 10, 2023, 8:08 pm
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This is how pathetic it looks when a Eurocentrist autocrat feels
the need to pretend to be a democrat:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-congratulates-dear-friend-072651613.html
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> Delegates handed Mr Xi a third term as China’s president and
re-elected him as head of the country’s Central Military
Commission in a unanimous vote.
> ...
> A digital monitor on the edge of the stage proclaimed the
final tally – all 2,952 votes had been cast in favour of
awarding Mr Xi another term in office.
> ...
> In the oath, beamed live on state television across the
nation, Mr Xi vowed to “build a prosperous, strong, democratic,
civilized, harmonious and great modern socialist country”.
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Not only will no one believe Xi's blatantly choreographed vote,
but it just makes actual democratic countries look good in
comparison because the implication is that they actually are
what autocratic countries have to choreograph themselves to be.
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> Prof Steve Tsang, the director of the SOAS China Institute in
London, told AFP: “We will see a China more assertive on the
global stage, insisting its narrative be accepted.
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Nothing could be further from the truth. To insist your
narrative be accepted would first involve insisting that
autocracy is superior to democracy. The above behaviour is a
display of the exact opposite.
#Post#: 18668--------------------------------------------------
Re: China and European Union Relations
DIR By: Latvia
Date: March 30, 2023, 2:10 pm
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Latvian President: Why Ukraine holds the key to the challenge of
China | DW News
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> Egils Levits is the President of Latvia, one of the tiny
Baltic States neighboring Russia – and a member of NATO since
2004.
> Levits explains why in his view, the fate of Ukraine will be
essential in the next major contest facing the West: with China.
> With the war still raging and Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping
getting closer, he talks about the implications for democracies
in Europe and Asia. And he says it’s essential for NATO to
strengthen defenses in Latvia and NATO’s entire “eastern flank.”
> Levits comments on China’s recent 12-point “position paper”
for ending the war – and whether he believes Beijing or Moscow
are really serious about peace. And he explains what Russia’s
plan to deploy nuclear weapons in Belarus – which also borders
Latvia – means for his country.
>
> Chapters:
> 00:00 – 00:27 - Introduction
> 00:27 – 02:37 Germany holding back on sending fighter jets
> 02:37 - 03:37 Russia’s plan to deploy nuclear weapons to
Belarus
> 03:37 – 07:48 NATO troops in Baltic states
> 07:48 – 09:14 China’s 12-point “Position Paper”
> 09:14 - 10:55 Russia and China’s perception of NATO expansion
> 10:55 – 12:56 Sphere of influence of Russia and China in East
Asia
> 12:56 – 14:50 NATO expanding its horizon into Asia
> 14:50 – 17:12 Isolationist attitude of some Republicans
>
> #ukraine #baltics #nato
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