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True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 29, 2022, 10:43 pm
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Mainstream academic accidentally stumbles across the
justification for folkish imperialism:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whack-mole-experts-call-hong-041901476.html
[quote]"Only Hong Kong and China are saying they are trying to
eradicate the virus," he said. "It would have worked if other
countries did the same but the fact they don’t think that way
means the virus is always flowing."[/quote]
In other words, China would be theoretically justified in
invading all non-eradicationist countries, on the condition that
it imposes the same eradicationist rules everywhere. It is the
non-eradicationist countries preventing the eradication from
succeeding, therefore it is justified for the eradicationist
countries to invade them. (Similarly, a hypothetical vegan
country would be justified in invading all non-vegan countries
for the sake of eradicating cruelty to animals, and so on.)
In contrast, wishing to bring progress to additional territories
is an invalid reason for invasion. A non-industrial country does
not prevent an industrial country from successful industry,
therefore the industrial country is unjustified in invading the
non-industrial country. A non-compulsory-schooling country does
not prevent a compulsory-schooling scountry from successful
compulsory schooling, therefore the compulsory-schooling country
is unjustified in invading the non-compulsory-schooling country.
And so on. (In fact it is the other way round: the
non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should
invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in
order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)
In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed
only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).
Most fundamentally, consider reproduction. Reproducers are not
justified in invading non-reproducers, because reproduction will
succeed so long as some people reproduce (irrespective of the
remainder not reproducing). On the other hand, non-reproducers
are justified in invading reproducers, because non-reproduction
will only succeed if everyone refrains from reproducing
simultaneously.
So, what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed
only if everyone practices them simultaneously, and what is the
common feature of all ideas that can succeed with merely a
fraction of people practicing them?
#Post#: 13091--------------------------------------------------
True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: rp Date: April 26, 2022, 8:34 pm
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The False Left opposes imperialism, whereas the True Left only
opposes colonialism. Indeed, the True Left is not only not
opposed to non-colonial imperialism, but in fact even supports
it in cases where it is explicitly anti-colonial. Example:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#:~:text=The%20Annexation%20of%20Goa%20was,the%20%22Liberation%20of%20Goa%22
[Quote]
The Annexation of Goa was the process in which the Republic of
India annexed Estado da India, the then Portuguese Indian
territories of Goa, Daman and Diu, starting with the armed
action carried out by the Indian Armed Forces in December 1961.
In India, this action is referred to as the "Liberation of Goa".
[/Quote]
Anti colonial imperialism in modern times could in fact
accurately be called Hitlerism.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 22, 2022, 10:17 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg14085/#msg14085
[quote]Western air conditioners increase total heat(!!!), but
merely pumps it outside, thus cooling the inside (at least until
eventually the heat outside gets back in).
Non-Western air conditioners do not increase total heat, instead
cooling by making heat dissipation more efficient.
It should be obvious which is worse.[/quote]
more non-Western superiority on display:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweltering-asians-places-where-extreme-211454232.html
[quote]Much of the world right now is dealing with mind-numbing
heat. But there are places where such stifling,
health-imperiling temperatures are common — and air conditioning
isn’t. Asian immigrants from regions where sweltering is the
norm have been offering their time-tested advice on how to stay
cool without electricity or technology.
In parts of Asia that have long grappled with heat waves,
families have developed their own cooling rituals over
generations. Some say they have slept on the floor in kitchens,
where tile surfaces retain less heat, or spread bamboo mats
around the house for the same reason. Others advised wearing
lungis, thin cloths tied around the waist, and eating cold
seasonal foods like noodles or lassi to help keep the heat at
bay.
...
Putting a touch of water on each wrist to help cool the body
through the veins is a common practice in the villages, said
climate expert and United Nations consultant Saad Amer.[/quote]
At the very least, none of these methods increase total heat,
unlike Western air conditioners.
But what happens if non-Westerners use these superior cooling
methods while Westerners keep using their inferior Western air
conditioners? Answer: the world keeps becoming hotter until
eventually even the superior non-Western cooling methods will
not work.
[quote]But for vulnerable populations at the forefront of the
climate crisis, these measures can only go so far, he added.
When temperatures climb and resources dwindle, simple measures
are futile, leaving the world’s most vulnerable “unable to
function,” he said.[/quote]
Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when
others are not also living the same way. We must crush the
inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the
superior way. This is the same conclusion as we reached here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902
[quote]In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can
succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).[/quote]
So when are we going to eradicate Western civiization?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 29, 2022, 12:20 am
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Excellent summary of what happens when non-Yahwists encounter
Yahwists:
[quote]China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"
China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"[/quote]
Let's break it down:
[quote]China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"[/quote]
This is the correct approach.
[quote]Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"[/quote]
This is Yahweh rewarding those who follow his approach instead.
[quote]China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is
broken!"[/quote]
Because you forgot to first destroy those who cannot resist the
temptation to fix what is not broken. As I was saying:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg14823/#msg14823
[quote]Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail
when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the
inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the
superior way.[/quote]
We cannot just be non-Yahwist. We must be anti-Yahwist.
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Re: Indian attitudes
By: rp Date: January 24, 2023, 12:33 am
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HTML https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1582691839077122048
[quote]I'm Indian from India and I have no problem accepting the
superior intellectual achievements of the West over the last 500
years.
Only an idiot or fraud would deny it.
[quote]Terrible caste supremacist ideas being floated by highly
well-read people who should know better.
By the same logic, West has a way more compelling case for
superiority as they dominated almost every field for 500 yrs
while Indians produced very little of substance.
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HTML https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1482180531651760128
[quote]Moral of the story.
If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a people
then you're finished.
Gone. Khatam. Khallas. You have no future. Others will eat you
alive.[/quote]
This goes to what the other user was talking about in the
Gentilism thread. Turanists seem to believe that Hindus should
embrace their "Faustian" innovativeness to become more
adventurous than "Whites"
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Re: Re: Indian attitudes
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 24, 2023, 1:22 am
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[quote]If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a
people then you're finished.[/quote]
Unless you wipe out the constantly adventurous and innovative
people first. This is the true lesson that should have been
learned from the colonial era. What we cannot afford to do is
pretend the constantly adventurous and innovative people do not
exist or pretend they are not dangerous. But just as wrong is to
acknowledge them and then emulate them. The only correct way is
to acknowledge them and then destroy them.
#Post#: 17646--------------------------------------------------
Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: rp Date: January 24, 2023, 1:39 am
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"But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate
them."
That can only happen unless you recognize adventurousness and
innovativeness as inferior. But yet here we have this guy not
only acknowledging but praising the achievements as "superior".
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 24, 2023, 2:01 am
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"recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior."
You should reply on the Twitter thread promoting this idea.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 7, 2023, 2:16 pm
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HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-the-us-is-willing-to-send-ukraine-cluster-munitions-now/ar-AA1dxdL2
[quote]WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has decided to send
cluster munitions to Ukraine to help its military push back
Russian forces entrenched along the front lines.
The Biden administration is expected to announce on Friday that
it will send thousands of them as part of a new military aid
package worth $800 million, according to people familiar with
the decision who were not authorized to discuss it publicly
before the official announcement and spoke on condition of
anonymity.
...
The move will likely trigger outrage from some allies and
humanitarian groups that have long opposed the use of cluster
bombs.[/quote]
Such groups do not understand the principle explained in this
topic.
[quote]Proponents argue that Russia has already been using the
controversial weapon[/quote]
These proponents understand the principle explained in this
topic.
[quote]The U.S. initially considered cluster bombs an integral
part of its arsenal during the invasion of Afghanistan that
began in 2001, according to HRW. The group estimated that the
U.S.-led coalition dropped more than 1,500 cluster bombs in
Afghanistan during the first three years of the
conflict.[/quote]
It is consistent to oppose this but support the current
decision.
[quote]In the 1980s, the Russians made heavy use of cluster
bombs during their 10-year invasion of Afghanistan. As a result
of decades of war, the Afghan countryside remains one of the
most heavily mined countries in the world.[/quote]
This is why.
[quote]During the monthlong 2006 war with Hezbollah, HRW and the
United Nations accused Israel of firing as many as 4 million
cluster munitions into Lebanon. That left unexploded ordnance
that threatens Lebanese civilians to this day.[/quote]
Homework: should cluster munitions be used against Israel?
#Post#: 21462--------------------------------------------------
Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 11, 2023, 11:28 pm
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Our enemies accurately understand (and hence dislike) folkish
imperialism:
HTML https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2023/08/why-is-the-west-so-weak-and-russia-so-strong-the-role-of-human-capital-and-western-education
[quote]Let’s say there are three companies with combined 100%
market share in some sector. There is no real competition
between them and everybody can just relax because the customers
can’t go anywhere else. These companies can get away with
absolute incompetence on most levels, including in management.
They don’t need to think about efficiency, safety, productivity
or costs, except on their websites and in annual
reports.[/quote]
What our enemies call "incompetence" is what we call ethicality.
For example, imagine if these three companies all cared about
the environment. They will therefore all agree to not do
anything as part of their business that will harm the
environment. This will probably mean that productivity/cost is
sub-maximal. But so long as none of them deviate from their
mutually agreed ethical rule that harming the environment is
off-limits, they can stably share the market.
[quote]However, if a competitor with competent employees manages
to infiltrate the sector, those three companies will hit a wall.
There will be an enormous crisis and one or more of them will
most likely go under.[/quote]
Now imagine a fourth company turning up which does not care
about the environment. If allowed to compete against the
existing three, it will surely (by being willing to
unscrupulously use operational methods that harm the
environment) outcompete the existing three by maximizing
productivity/cost beyond what the existing three (with their
commitment to environmentalism and their consequent operational
limitations) are willing to do. This will either cause the
existing three ethically superior companies to shut down, or
pressure them into also adopting the ethically inferior
practices of the newcomer.
The only way the existing three can avoid such a fate is to
destroy the newcomer (with the help of the state if necessary).
This is what we support, and what our enemies oppose:
[quote]Monopoly and oligopoly is the rule and the main objective
of most large [s]western[/s] companies is to prevent anyone from
infiltrating their sector – usually by bribing regulators or by
buying the competition. This is a necessity because a huge
number of [s]western[/s] companies are now run by incompetent
management and staffed by incompetent people[/quote]
From our enemies' perspective, ethicality is "incompetence"
while unethicality is "competence". From a Darwinian perspective
they are correct, since the ethical will indeed be outcompeted
by the unethical over time:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/exposing-people-with-the-western-darwinian-worldview/
unless the ethical destroy the unethical before we are
outcompeted by them. Our enemies know this, which is why they
describe describe our pursuit of ethics via folkish imperialism
in a negative tone:
[quote]Many people have noticed that meritocracy has been
systematically abandoned in [s]the West[/s] and the relationship
between competence and reward severed in giant swaths of the
economy – and almost completely in government. What few people
seem to realize is that this is a necessity for [s]the
West[/s]’s ideological goals to be reached. High-level
competence cannot be promoted because it is a threat. It cannot
therefore be rewarded.[/quote]
What they call "meritocracy" is Darwinian meritocracy. (Also,
what they call "the West" is actually Counterculturedom.)
What our enemies most fear happening:
[quote]This will get progressively worse and we will soon reach
a point where complex systems which underpin society cannot be
kept running. That will require some kind of “reset” to a less
complex society, with less prosperity of course.[/quote]
is what are are aiming at. :)
But we will only succeed if we are willing to practice folkish
imperialism with total ruthlessness against those who threaten
us with their greater competitiveness consequent to their
disregard for ethics:
[quote]IQ and objectivity/independent thinking are somewhat
correlated but let’s assume they are not. Let’s say that we have
a pool of potentially objective and rational people that is 30%
and a pool of people with IQ of 125 that is 5%. That means that
the pool of high-level general competence people is 5% of 30%,
or 1.5% of the population.
If we are really generous and assume that 50% of the population
is objective and rational and an IQ of 115 is sufficient for
those jobs, then we have 16% of 50%, which is a pool of 8% of
the population.
The importance of this cannot be overstated. This group, whether
we define it as 1.5% of the population or 8% of the population,
is extremely valuable. This is essentially the only group in
society that can reliably evaluate complex situations and make
subsequent [s]rational[/s] decisions. Without it, modern
technological society simply cannot be built or maintained – let
alone advanced. Let me rephrase this – if we do not identify and
utilize this group, we cannot run our complicated societies
except into the ground.[/quote]
This group must be removed from existence ASAP. Let me rephrase
this - if we do not identify and totally exterminate this group,
we will end up in:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
Our enemies accurately point out the demographics of this group:
[quote]A significant number of companies are now specifying
which groups will not be hired in their job advertisements.
Since they can’t overtly say “we don’t hire smart, independent
thinkers” they usually use “white men” as a proxy for that group
for some reason. That group is considered to be a particular
threat[/quote]
It is! Who do you think was behind the Industrial Revolution in
the first place?
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