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       True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: January 29, 2022, 10:43 pm
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       Mainstream academic accidentally stumbles across the
       justification for folkish imperialism:
  HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whack-mole-experts-call-hong-041901476.html
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       > "Only Hong Kong and China are saying they are trying to
       eradicate the virus," he said. "It would have worked if other
       countries did the same but the fact they don’t think that way
       means the virus is always flowing."
       --- End Quote ---
       In other words, China would be theoretically justified in
       invading all non-eradicationist countries, on the condition that
       it imposes the same eradicationist rules everywhere. It is the
       non-eradicationist countries preventing the eradication from
       succeeding, therefore it is justified for the eradicationist
       countries to invade them. (Similarly, a hypothetical vegan
       country would be justified in invading all non-vegan countries
       for the sake of eradicating cruelty to animals, and so on.)
       In contrast, wishing to bring progress to additional territories
       is an invalid reason for invasion. A non-industrial country does
       not prevent an industrial country from successful industry,
       therefore the industrial country is unjustified in invading the
       non-industrial country. A non-compulsory-schooling country does
       not prevent a compulsory-schooling country from successful
       compulsory schooling, therefore the compulsory-schooling country
       is unjustified in invading the non-compulsory-schooling country.
       And so on. (In fact it is the other way round: the
       non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should
       invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in
       order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)
       In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed
       only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
       justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
       merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
       is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
       non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).
       Most fundamentally, consider reproduction. Reproducers are not
       justified in invading non-reproducers, because reproduction will
       succeed so long as some people reproduce (irrespective of the
       remainder not reproducing). On the other hand, non-reproducers
       are justified in invading reproducers, because non-reproduction
       will only succeed if everyone refrains from reproducing
       simultaneously.
       So, what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed
       only if everyone practices them simultaneously, and what is the
       common feature of all ideas that can succeed with merely a
       fraction of people practicing them?
       #Post#: 13091--------------------------------------------------
       True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: rp
       Date: April 26, 2022, 8:34 pm
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       The False Left opposes imperialism, whereas the True Left only
       opposes colonialism. Indeed, the True Left is not only not
       opposed to non-colonial imperialism, but in fact even supports
       it in cases where it is explicitly anti-colonial. Example:
  HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#:~:text=The%20Annexation%20of%20Goa%20was,the%20%22Liberation%20of%20Goa%22
       [Quote]
       The Annexation of Goa was the process in which the Republic of
       India annexed Estado da India, the then Portuguese Indian
       territories of Goa, Daman and Diu, starting with the armed
       action carried out by the Indian Armed Forces in December 1961.
       In India, this action is referred to as the "Liberation of Goa".
       [/Quote]
       Anti colonial imperialism in modern times could in fact
       accurately be called Hitlerism.
       #Post#: 14823--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: July 22, 2022, 10:17 pm
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       Continuing from:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg14085/#msg14085
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       > Western air conditioners increase total heat(!!!), but merely
       pumps it outside, thus cooling the inside (at least until
       eventually the heat outside gets back in).
       >
       > Non-Western air conditioners do not increase total heat,
       instead cooling by making heat dissipation more efficient.
       >
       > It should be obvious which is worse.
       --- End Quote ---
       more non-Western superiority on display:
  HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweltering-asians-places-where-extreme-211454232.html
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       > Much of the world right now is dealing with mind-numbing heat.
       But there are places where such stifling, health-imperiling
       temperatures are common — and air conditioning isn’t. Asian
       immigrants from regions where sweltering is the norm have been
       offering their time-tested advice on how to stay cool without
       electricity or technology.
       >
       > In parts of Asia that have long grappled with heat waves,
       families have developed their own cooling rituals over
       generations. Some say they have slept on the floor in kitchens,
       where tile surfaces retain less heat, or spread bamboo mats
       around the house for the same reason. Others advised wearing
       lungis, thin cloths tied around the waist, and eating cold
       seasonal foods like noodles or lassi to help keep the heat at
       bay.
       > ...
       > Putting a touch of water on each wrist to help cool the body
       through the veins is a common practice in the villages, said
       climate expert and United Nations consultant Saad Amer.
       --- End Quote ---
       At the very least, none of these methods increase total heat,
       unlike Western air conditioners.
       But what happens if non-Westerners use these superior cooling
       methods while Westerners keep using their inferior Western air
       conditioners? Answer: the world keeps becoming hotter until
       eventually even the superior non-Western cooling methods will
       not work.
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       > But for vulnerable populations at the forefront of the climate
       crisis, these measures can only go so far, he added.
       >
       > When temperatures climb and resources dwindle, simple measures
       are futile, leaving the world’s most vulnerable “unable to
       function,” he said.
       --- End Quote ---
       Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when
       others are not also living the same way. We must crush the
       inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the
       superior way. This is the same conclusion as we reached here:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902
       --- Quote ---
       > In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can
       succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
       justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
       merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
       is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
       non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).
       --- End Quote ---
       So when are we going to eradicate Western civiization?
       #Post#: 17284--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: December 29, 2022, 12:20 am
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       Excellent summary of what happens when non-Yahwists encounter
       Yahwists:
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       > China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
       > Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"
       > China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"
       --- End Quote ---
       Let's break it down:
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       > China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
       --- End Quote ---
       This is the correct approach.
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       > Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"
       --- End Quote ---
       This is Yahweh rewarding those who follow his approach instead.
       --- Quote ---
       > China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"
       --- End Quote ---
       Because you forgot to first destroy those who cannot resist the
       temptation to fix what is not broken. As I was saying:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg14823/#msg14823
       --- Quote ---
       > Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when
       others are not also living the same way. We must crush the
       inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the
       superior way.
       --- End Quote ---
       We cannot just be non-Yahwist. We must be anti-Yahwist.
       #Post#: 17644--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Indian attitudes
   DIR By: rp
       Date: January 24, 2023, 12:33 am
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  HTML https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1582691839077122048
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       > I'm Indian from India and I have no problem accepting the
       superior intellectual achievements of the West over the last 500
       years.
       >
       > Only an idiot or fraud would deny it.
       > [quote]Terrible caste supremacist ideas being floated by
       highly well-read people who should know better.
       > By the same logic, West has a way more compelling case for
       superiority as they dominated almost every field for 500 yrs
       while Indians produced very little of substance.
       >
       [img]
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       >
       [img]
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       >
       --- End Quote ---
       [/quote]
  HTML https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1482180531651760128
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       > Moral of the story.
       >
       > If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a
       people then you're finished.
       >
       > Gone. Khatam. Khallas. You have no future. Others will eat you
       alive.
       --- End Quote ---
       This goes to what the other user was talking about in the
       Gentilism thread. Turanists seem to believe that Hindus should
       embrace their "Faustian" innovativeness to become more
       adventurous than "Whites"
       #Post#: 17645--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: Indian attitudes
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: January 24, 2023, 1:22 am
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       --- Quote ---
       > If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a
       people then you're finished.
       --- End Quote ---
       Unless you wipe out the constantly adventurous and innovative
       people first. This is the true lesson that should have been
       learned from the colonial era. What we cannot afford to do is
       pretend the constantly adventurous and innovative people do not
       exist or pretend they are not dangerous. But just as wrong is to
       acknowledge them and then emulate them. The only correct way is
       to acknowledge them and then destroy them.
       #Post#: 17646--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: rp
       Date: January 24, 2023, 1:39 am
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       "But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate
       them."
       That can only happen unless you recognize adventurousness and
       innovativeness as inferior. But yet here we have this guy not
       only acknowledging but praising the achievements as "superior".
       #Post#: 17647--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: January 24, 2023, 2:01 am
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       "recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior."
       You should reply on the Twitter thread promoting this idea.
       #Post#: 20819--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: July 7, 2023, 2:16 pm
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  HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-the-us-is-willing-to-send-ukraine-cluster-munitions-now/ar-AA1dxdL2
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       > WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has decided to send
       cluster munitions to Ukraine to help its military push back
       Russian forces entrenched along the front lines.
       >
       > The Biden administration is expected to announce on Friday
       that it will send thousands of them as part of a new military
       aid package worth $800 million, according to people familiar
       with the decision who were not authorized to discuss it publicly
       before the official announcement and spoke on condition of
       anonymity.
       > ...
       > The move will likely trigger outrage from some allies and
       humanitarian groups that have long opposed the use of cluster
       bombs.
       --- End Quote ---
       Such groups do not understand the principle explained in this
       topic.
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       > Proponents argue that Russia has already been using the
       controversial weapon
       --- End Quote ---
       These proponents understand the principle explained in this
       topic.
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       > The U.S. initially considered cluster bombs an integral part
       of its arsenal during the invasion of Afghanistan that began in
       2001, according to HRW. The group estimated that the U.S.-led
       coalition dropped more than 1,500 cluster bombs in Afghanistan
       during the first three years of the conflict.
       --- End Quote ---
       It is consistent to oppose this but support the current
       decision.
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       > In the 1980s, the Russians made heavy use of cluster bombs
       during their 10-year invasion of Afghanistan. As a result of
       decades of war, the Afghan countryside remains one of the most
       heavily mined countries in the world.
       --- End Quote ---
       This is why.
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       > During the monthlong 2006 war with Hezbollah, HRW and the
       United Nations accused Israel of firing as many as 4 million
       cluster munitions into Lebanon. That left unexploded ordnance
       that threatens Lebanese civilians to this day.
       --- End Quote ---
       Homework: should cluster munitions be used against Israel?
       #Post#: 21462--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: August 11, 2023, 11:28 pm
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       Our enemies accurately understand (and hence dislike) folkish
       imperialism:
  HTML https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2023/08/why-is-the-west-so-weak-and-russia-so-strong-the-role-of-human-capital-and-western-education
       --- Quote ---
       > Let’s say there are three companies with combined 100% market
       share in some sector. There is no real competition between them
       and everybody can just relax because the customers can’t go
       anywhere else. These companies can get away with absolute
       incompetence on most levels, including in management. They don’t
       need to think about efficiency, safety, productivity or costs,
       except on their websites and in annual reports.
       --- End Quote ---
       What our enemies call "incompetence" is what we call ethicality.
       For example, imagine if these three companies all cared about
       the environment. They will therefore all agree to not do
       anything as part of their business that will harm the
       environment. This will probably mean that productivity/cost is
       sub-maximal. But so long as none of them deviate from their
       mutually agreed ethical rule that harming the environment is
       off-limits, they can stably share the market.
       --- Quote ---
       > However, if a competitor with competent employees manages to
       infiltrate the sector, those three companies will hit a wall.
       There will be an enormous crisis and one or more of them will
       most likely go under.
       --- End Quote ---
       Now imagine a fourth company turning up which does not care
       about the environment. If allowed to compete against the
       existing three, it will surely (by being willing to
       unscrupulously use operational methods that harm the
       environment) outcompete the existing three by maximizing
       productivity/cost beyond what the existing three (with their
       commitment to environmentalism and their consequent operational
       limitations) are willing to do. This will either cause the
       existing three ethically superior companies to shut down, or
       pressure them into also adopting the ethically inferior
       practices of the newcomer.
       The only way the existing three can avoid such a fate is to
       destroy the newcomer (with the help of the state if necessary).
       This is what we support, and what our enemies oppose:
       --- Quote ---
       > Monopoly and oligopoly is the rule and the main objective of
       most large western companies is to prevent anyone from
       infiltrating their sector – usually by bribing regulators or by
       buying the competition. This is a necessity because a huge
       number of western companies are now run by incompetent
       management and staffed by incompetent people
       --- End Quote ---
       From our enemies' perspective, ethicality is "incompetence"
       while unethicality is "competence". From a Darwinian perspective
       they are correct, since the ethical will indeed be outcompeted
       by the unethical over time:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/exposing-people-with-the-western-darwinian-worldview/
       unless the ethical destroy the unethical before we are
       outcompeted by them. Our enemies know this, which is why they
       describe describe our pursuit of ethics via folkish imperialism
       in a negative tone:
       --- Quote ---
       > Many people have noticed that meritocracy has been
       systematically abandoned in the West and the relationship
       between competence and reward severed in giant swaths of the
       economy – and almost completely in government. What few people
       seem to realize is that this is a necessity for the West’s
       ideological goals to be reached. High-level competence cannot be
       promoted because it is a threat. It cannot therefore be
       rewarded.
       --- End Quote ---
       What they call "meritocracy" is Darwinian meritocracy. (Also,
       what they call "the West" is actually Counterculturedom.)
       What our enemies most fear happening:
       --- Quote ---
       > This will get progressively worse and we will soon reach a
       point where complex systems which underpin society cannot be
       kept running. That will require some kind of “reset” to a less
       complex society, with less prosperity of course.
       --- End Quote ---
       is what are are aiming at.  :)
       But we will only succeed if we are willing to practice folkish
       imperialism with total ruthlessness against those who threaten
       us with their greater competitiveness consequent to their
       disregard for ethics:
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       > IQ and objectivity/independent thinking are somewhat
       correlated but let’s assume they are not. Let’s say that we have
       a pool of potentially objective and rational people that is 30%
       and a pool of people with IQ of 125 that is 5%. That means that
       the pool of high-level general competence people is 5% of 30%,
       or 1.5% of the population.
       >
       > If we are really generous and assume that 50% of the
       population is objective and rational and an IQ of 115 is
       sufficient for those jobs, then we have 16% of 50%, which is a
       pool of 8% of the population.
       >
       > The importance of this cannot be overstated. This group,
       whether we define it as 1.5% of the population or 8% of the
       population, is extremely valuable. This is essentially the only
       group in society that can reliably evaluate complex situations
       and make subsequent rational decisions. Without it, modern
       technological society simply cannot be built or maintained – let
       alone advanced. Let me rephrase this – if we do not identify and
       utilize this group, we cannot run our complicated societies
       except into the ground.
       --- End Quote ---
       This group must be removed from existence ASAP. Let me rephrase
       this - if we do not identify and totally exterminate this group,
       we will end up in:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
       Our enemies accurately point out the demographics of this group:
       --- Quote ---
       > A significant number of companies are now specifying which
       groups will not be hired in their job advertisements. Since they
       can’t overtly say “we don’t hire smart, independent thinkers”
       they usually use “white men” as a proxy for that group for some
       reason. That group is considered to be a particular threat
       --- End Quote ---
       It is! Who do you think was behind the Industrial Revolution in
       the first place?
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