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Homophobia is not American
By: Starling Date: August 6, 2020, 8:56 am
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The 'two-spirit' people of indigenous North Americans
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/oct/11/two-spirit-people-north-america
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We-Wa, a Zuni two-spirit, weaving
[quote]Native Americans have often held intersex, androgynous
people, feminine males and masculine females in high respect.
The most common term to define such persons today is to refer to
them as "two-spirit" people, but in the past feminine males were
sometimes referred to as "berdache" by early French explorers in
North America, who adapted a Persian word "bardaj", meaning an
intimate male friend. Because these androgynous males were
commonly married to a masculine man, or had sex with men, and
the masculine females had feminine women as wives, the term
berdache had a clear homosexual connotation. Both the Spanish
settlers in Latin America and the English colonists in North
America condemned them as "sodomites".
Rather than emphasising the homosexuality of these persons,
however, many Native Americans focused on their spiritual gifts.
American Indian traditionalists, even today, tend to see a
person's basic character as a reflection of their spirit. Since
everything that exists is thought to come from the spirit world,
androgynous or transgender persons are seen as doubly blessed,
having both the spirit of a man and the spirit of a woman. Thus,
they are honoured for having two spirits, and are seen as more
spiritually gifted than the typical masculine male or feminine
female.
Therefore, many Native American religions, rather than
stigmatising such persons, often looked to them as religious
leaders and teachers. Quite similar religious traditions existed
among the native peoples of Siberia and many parts of Central
and southeast Asia. Since the ancestors of Native Americans
migrated from Siberia over 20,000 years ago, and since reports
of highly respected androgynous persons have been noted among
indigenous Americans from Alaska to Chile, androgyny seems to be
quite ancient among humans.
Rather than the physical body, Native Americans emphasised a
person's "spirit", or character, as being most important.
Instead of seeing two-spirit persons as transsexuals who try to
make themselves into "the opposite sex", it is more accurate to
understand them as individuals who take on a gender status that
is different from both men and women. This alternative gender
status offers a range of possibilities, from slightly effeminate
males or masculine females, to androgynous or transgender
persons, to those who completely cross-dress and act as the
other gender. The emphasis of Native Americans is not to force
every person into one box, but to allow for the reality of
diversity in gender and sexual identities.
Most of the evidence for respectful two-spirit traditions is
focused on the native peoples of the Plains, the Great Lakes,
the Southwest, and California. With over a thousand vastly
different cultural and linguistic backgrounds, it is important
not to overgeneralise for the indigenous peoples of North
America. Some documentary sources suggest that a minority of
societies treated two-spirit persons disrespectfully, by kidding
them or discouraging children from taking on a two-spirit role.
However, many of the documents that report negative reactions
are themselves suspect, and should be evaluated critically in
light of the preponderance of evidence that suggests a
respectful attitude. Some European commentators, from early
frontier explorers to modern anthropologists, also were
influenced by their own homophobic prejudices to distort native
attitudes.
Two-spirit people were respected by native societies not only
due to religious attitudes, but also because of practical
concerns. Because their gender roles involved a mixture of both
masculine and feminine traits, two-spirit persons could do both
the work of men and of women. They were often considered to be
hard workers and artistically gifted, of great value to their
extended families and community. Among some groups, such as the
Navajo, a family was believed to be economically benefited by
having a "nadleh" (literally translated as "one who is
transformed") androgynous person as a relative. Two-spirit
persons assisted their siblings' children and took care of
elderly relatives, and often served as adoptive parents for
homeless children.
A feminine male who preferred to do women's work (gathering wild
plants or farming domestic plants) was logically expected to
marry a masculine male, who did men's work (hunting and
warfare). Because a family needed both plant foods and meat, a
masculine female hunter, in turn, usually married a feminine
female, to provide these complementary gender roles for economic
survival. The gender-conforming spouse of two-spirit people did
not see themselves as "homosexual" or as anything other than
"normal".
In the 20th-century, as homophobic European Christian influences
increased among many Native Americans, respect for same-sex love
and for androgynous persons greatly declined. Two-spirit people
were often forced, either by government officials, Christian
missionaries or their own community, to conform to standard
gender roles. Some, who could not conform, either went
underground or committed suicide. With the imposition of
Euro-American marriage laws, same-sex marriages between
two-spirit people and their spouses were no longer legally
recognised. But with the revitalisation of Native American "red
power" cultural pride since the 60s, and the rise of gay and
lesbian liberation movements at the same time, a new respect for
androgyny started slowly re-emerging among American Indian
people.
Because of this tradition of respect, in the 90s many gay and
lesbian Native American activists in the United States and
Canada rejected the French word berdache in favour of the term
two-spirit people to describe themselves. Many non-American
Indians have incorporated knowledge of Native American
two-spirit traditions into their increasing acceptance of
same-sex love, androgyny and transgender diversity. Native
American same-sex marriages have been used as a model for
legalising same-sex marriages, and the spiritual gifts of
androgynous persons have started to become more
recognised.[/quote]
Westernism is pretty toxic. Since it's rooted in Jewish ethics.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 7, 2020, 12:54 am
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Homophobia is so deeply rooted in Western thinking that the
fastest way to get bullies to stop bullying LGBT people back in
the Counterculture era was to claim that bullying LGBT people
was a symptom of the bullies suppressing their own "homosexual"
tendencies*, which of course was the last thing the bullies
wanted to be even suspected of having. In short, homophobic
psychology had to be invoked to stop homophobic actions.
(* For the record, I never believed this to actually be the
case, generally speaking.)
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: rp Date: August 7, 2020, 1:09 am
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This is why many “homosexuals” in the “White” LGBT community are
projecting their homophobia when they accuse “non-Whites” of
being homophobic. In short, being “homosexual” does not preclude
one from being homophobic, hence why I would argue the term
“homosexual” itself is a homophobic term, as it attempts to
force other “homosexuals” to claim the label.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: guest22 Date: October 5, 2020, 3:38 am
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Since your philosophy is based on childlike "original nobility",
you should promote chastity and asexuality. Both homo and hetero
sex is disgusting for the innocent child.
Most gay rights activists are very sex-positive, and thus
against original nobility.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 6, 2020, 1:29 am
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"you should promote chastity and asexuality."
We are happy to celebrate individuals who choose a chaste
lifestyle for themselves and hold them up as rolemodels. But
this is not something for the state to get involved in
leglislating about, since the state should avoid interfering in
people's private lives (as such interference would be initiated
violence). The state should definitely control reproduction, but
people who have already had their reproductive potential
surgically removed should not be prohibited from having sex any
more than they should be prohibited from any other non-violent
activity.
"Both homo and hetero sex is disgusting for the innocent child."
I have found pears disgusting ever since childhood. But I had no
problem with others eating them.
"Most gay rights activists are very sex-positive, and thus
against original nobility."
If by "sex-positive" you mean they explicitly disparage
chastity, then they are definitely in the wrong. But if by
"sex-positive" you mean they respect chastity while merely
declaring it is not for themselves, then I am not too bothered.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: guest22 Date: October 7, 2020, 2:27 am
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Gay activists believe sexual orientation is innate, and people
with latent homosexual tendencies should "come out of the
closet" and start acting on their attractions. They also bash
individuals who want to overcome same-sex attractions (so-called
ex-gays).
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 7, 2020, 2:51 am
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"people with latent homosexual tendencies should "come out of
the closet" and start acting on their attractions"
I support this. People with closeted sexual preferences are not
necessarily more chaste than people who have come out of the
closet, for example it was common during the colonial era for
closet "homosexuals" to have a spouse with whom they had regular
"hetero" sex (and even reproduced!) as part of their coverup, to
the extent that even their spouse was unaware of their actual
sexual preference. Surely coming out of the closet would be an
improvement - at the very least the reproduction could have been
avoided!
"They also bash individuals who want to overcome same-sex
attractions (so-called ex-gays)."
But do such individuals want to overcome same-sex attractions
for the sake of chastity, or for the sake of switching to
opposite-sex attractions? If the former, they do not deserve to
be bashed, but if the latter, they do deserve to be bashed for
being untrue to themselves.
Also, what do the gay activists think about individuals who want
to overcome opposite-sex attractions for the sake of switching
to same-sex attractions? If they bash them too, then they are
being fair, as hence they would be against anyone being untrue
to themselves.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: guest22 Date: October 7, 2020, 2:25 pm
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"what do the gay activists think about individuals who want to
overcome opposite-sex attractions for the sake of switching to
same-sex attractions? If they bash them too, then they are being
fair, as hence they would be against anyone being untrue to
themselves."
There are a few such individuals, namely radical feminists who
convert to lesbianism out of contempt for men.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_lesbianism
There is even a religion called Filianism which worships God the
Mother in all-female congregation, and believes the existence of
men is a sign of the universe decaying away from the Golden
Order (their equivalent of original nobility).
IDK what LGBT activists think of these phenomena, but the
relations between the LGBT movement and radfems aren't really
warm.
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: guest5 Date: January 25, 2021, 10:14 pm
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Pentagon Spokesman: 'As Of Today, Transgender People Are Allowed
To Join The Military'
[quote]Retired Rear Admiral John Kirby, the new Pentagon press
spokesman, joins Andrea Mitchell Reports to discuss the lifting
of the transgender military ban, saying that Defense Secretary
Gen. Lloyd Austin is committed to supporting President Biden’s
agenda and building an inclusive agency. “It's going to take us
a couple of months to continue to work through all the details
of how this gets done but as of today, transgender people are
allowed to join the military, if they meet all of the other
standards,” Kirby said.[/quote]
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Re: Homophobia is not American
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 2, 2021, 1:09 am
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A Western occupier bullies an American:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRpQA-TzOs
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