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Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patricide
or matricide
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: January 18, 2022, 2:25 am
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I have always learned in school about Buddhism education that
these are the most heinous crimes.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anantarika-karma
[quote]
Intentionally murdering one's father.
Intentionally murdering one's mother.
Killing an Arhat (fully enlightened being).
Shedding the blood of a Buddha. This includes damaging works
related to the Buddha and is not limited to harming the Buddha's
person.[7]
Creating a schism (heresy) within the Sangha, the community of
Buddhist monks, nuns and pariṣā who try to attain
enlightenment.
[/quote]
So, it is not surprising that patricide or matricide is one of
the most heinous crimes in Thai Law or countries with Buddhism
as the state religion.
Did the Buddha really teach these anantarika-karma (heinous
crimes) for Buddhists?
Another question, do other Aryan religions have similar teaching
like this had you found one?
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: guest55 Date: January 18, 2022, 2:57 pm
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[quote]Another question, do other Aryan religions have similar
teaching like this had you found one?[/quote]
It would not be considered an Aryan ideology or religion if it
disallows for justice based on identity, or perceived authority
based on ageism alone. If we followed the supposed teachings of
Buddha you posted children such as the following two examples
would be seen as monsters:
California 16-year-old fatally shoots father while defending his
mother, police say
HTML https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-16-year-fatally-shoots-father-defending-mother/story?id=58525535
'Hero' Ohio Girl, 14, Allegedly Killed Abusive Father to Protect
Mom and Siblings: Attorney
HTML https://people.com/crime/ohio-girl-allegedly-killed-abusive-father-to-protect-mom-and-siblings/
Just a two examples....
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: January 18, 2022, 8:54 pm
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It's about killing who give birth to them. The teaching is so
accepted that it is a part of Thai law.
HTML https://www.thailandlaw.org/thai-law-on-murder.html#:~:text=In%20Thailand%2C%20the%20Thai%20Criminal,classified%20as%20a%20capital%20punishment.
[quote]Further, the Thai Criminal Code imposes the maximum
penalty of death, when the killing was done under the following
circumstances:
If the victim is an ascendant of the offender;[/quote]
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: guest55 Date: January 19, 2022, 12:50 am
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[quote]Further, the Thai Criminal Code imposes the maximum
penalty of death, when the killing was done under the following
circumstances:
If the victim is an ascendant of the offender;[/quote]
That is so bizarre to myself I almost cannot comprehend it. This
law basically protects abusers as long as they only abuse their
family members. Who would put such a law into practice, seems
utterly ridiculous to me?
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: January 19, 2022, 1:24 am
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The full translation of the Thai law:
HTML https://www.thailandlawonline.com/table-of-contents/criminal-law-translation-thailand-penal-code
The law lessen crime about theft if it were committed against
ascendants, descendants, or full siblings.
Moreover, theft is not a crime if husband or wife steal each
other since, by law, couples are deemed to share their wealth.
The wealth of anyone declared in news, especially state
servants, include what their spouse has, too.
Vice-versa, sexual crimes are more severe if they were committed
against ascendants, descendants, blood siblings, or their
designated wards.
I recommend you to read the criminal code of each country.
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 20, 2022, 3:31 am
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"Did the Buddha really teach these anantarika-karma (heinous
crimes) for Buddhists?"
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_piety_in_Buddhism
[quote]But in a more recent development, starting with Buddhist
studies scholars such as John Strong and Gregory Schopen, it has
been shown that filial piety was part of Buddhist teaching since
early times, though Strong did regard it as a compromise to
Brahmanical ethics.[43][44]
...
At the time when Buddhism developed in India, there was
criticism that Buddhist otherworldly ideals did not fit in with
expectations of filial piety. Devotion to the mother was seen as
a fundamental virtue, and early Buddhists had to reconcile
Buddhist doctrine and practice with Indian social
institutions.[46][47][/quote]
I agree with this interpretation. The origin of parent-worship
in India is surely Vedic tradition:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Ar%C4%81ddha
In contrast, the Buddhist view:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da
[quote]the first four nidanas resemble the Hymn of Creation
(RigVeda X, 12) and other Vedic sources which describe the
creation of the cosmos.[125][6] Jurewicz argues that dependent
origination is "a polemic" against the Vedic creation myth and
that, paradoxically, "the Buddha extracted the essence of Vedic
cosmogony and expressed in explicit language." Richard Gombrich
agrees with this view, and argues that the first four elements
of dependent origination are the Buddha's attempt to "ironize
and criticize Vedic cosmogony."[127]
...
According to Jurewicz, "in Vedic cosmogony, the act of giving a
name and a form marks the final formation of the creator's
atman." This may go back to the Vedic birth ceremony in which a
father gives a name to his son.[6] In Vedic creation pure
consciousness creates the world as name and form (nama-rupa) and
then enters it. However, in this process, consciousness also
hides from itself, losing sight of its real identity.[125] The
Buddhist view of consciousness entering name and form depicts a
similar chain of events leading to deeper ignorance and
entanglement with the world.[6]
Jurewizc further argues that the rest of the twelve nidanas show
similarities with the terms and ideas found in Vedic cosmogeny,
especially as it relates to the sacrificial fire (as a metaphor
for desire and existence). These Vedic terms may have been
adopted by the Buddha to communicate his message of not-self
because his audience (often educated in Vedic thought) would
understand their basic meaning.[6] According to Jurewizc,
dependent origination replicates the general Vedic creation
model, but negates its metaphysics and its morals. Furthermore,
Jurewizc argues that:[6]
This deprives the Vedic cosmogony of its positive meaning as
the successful activity of the Absolute and presents it as a
chain of absurd, meaningless changes which could only result in
the repeated death of anyone who would reproduce this cosmogonic
process in ritual activity and everyday life,[/quote]
(This approach is very similar to what we do here with enemy
content.)
Now from your link:
[quote]Intentionally murdering one's father.
Intentionally murdering one's mother.
Killing an Arhat (fully enlightened being).
Shedding the blood of a Buddha. This includes damaging works
related to the Buddha and is not limited to harming the Buddha's
person.[7]
Creating a schism (heresy) within the Sangha, the community of
Buddhist monks, nuns and pariṣā who try to attain
enlightenment.[/quote]
Why is it that the latter three items do not specify the
relation of the object to oneself, but the first two items do?
If hypothetically there were a valid reason to not murder one's
own father, there should be a similarly valid reason to not
murder someone else's father, because nothing in Buddhist ethics
is supposed to depend on the object's personal relation with the
subject (considering that the very notion of identity is
illusory). The way it is written, it is as though the first two
items were added by Vedic traditionalist parents worried about
being murdered by their Buddhist-converted offspring and trying
to pre-emptively intimidate them against the idea.
There are other problems with this list. How is someone supposed
to know who is an Arhat/Buddha without being one oneself? (But
if one is an Arhat/Buddha oneself, one would not need to follow
a list to know how to behave ethically!) Therefore it seems that
the list is a device intended to benefit charlatans who want to
proclaim themselves to be Arhats/Buddhas but do not want to be
killed by those who suspect a scam. The last item is the most
tricky. If someone in a position of authority within the Sangha
tries to misdirect it, and someone else sees this happening and
challenges the misdirector, it would be the latter who will
appear as though they are causing a schism. All in all, this
list seems like a strategic setup for Vedic traditionalists to
subvert Buddhism while paralyzing the prospective resistance
with fear.
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: January 23, 2022, 1:23 am
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I think it comes from a thought that if one kills who give birth
to them, one should no longer live.
Teaching by religious leaders and support by state leaders can
encourage parenthood.
Also, I read from a Buddhism book that living as humans is the
only way to Nibbana since humans know both suffering, happiness,
and are smart enough to know how to achieve nirvana.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(Buddhism)
Also, there are famous ghost reality shows in Thailand that go
to see where suicide happened and describe to audiences how
suicide make them suffer afterlife where they suicide as unborn
souls.
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Re: Anantarika-karma (a heinous crime) in Buddhism such as patri
cide or matricide
By: Mujahid Date: July 18, 2024, 10:53 am
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Abusive parents will eventually ask you to support them
financially and guilt-trip you if you do not. Cases where their
children become reproductive Eurocentrists and continue this
cycle with their Hapa children to get $£ exist.
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