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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: rp Date: March 8, 2023, 9:15 pm
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"I agree that the pictured church is American. This is why I
place hope in America."
IMO the church in the picture is just comically unserious, not
comparable to the Gnostic ruins. Most "American" (Western)
churches are just there to cater to the consumeristic,
hedonistic lifestyle of Westerners.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 8, 2023, 9:38 pm
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"IMO the church in the picture is just comically unserious, not
comparable to the Gnostic ruins."
The Cathar castle ruins look mysterious to us now because they
have been ruins for centuries. Hypothetical True Leftists
centuries from now looking at the future ruins of the pictured
church above should find them just as mysterious.
Do you at least agree that if our only choices are either the
pictured American church above or a Western church such as (from
one of the replies in the Culture Critic thread):
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpLlreJagAAQP_S?format=png&name=small[/img]
Jesus would choose the former to preach in?
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: rp Date: March 8, 2023, 9:44 pm
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Hmm.. You definitely have a point. The "pizza hut" just looks
like one of the buildings in my neighborhood, and I myself don't
have any problems seeing them in my day-to-day life. The Western
church on the other hand is so jarring that it would completely
alter the spiritual ambiance of my neighborhood. So in that
regard, yes, the former church is superior.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: rp Date: March 8, 2023, 10:06 pm
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On that note, I should say I find pre-Renaissaince Western
architecture a little more bearable than Renaissance
architecture, though not by a lot.
#Post#: 18363--------------------------------------------------
Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 10, 2023, 8:48 pm
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Our enemies attack American aesthetics again, proving (again)
that they themselves are not Americans but Western occupiers:
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/03/10/pajama-nation-americans-have-morphed-into-the-people-of-walmart/
[quote]It has become common in America to see someone wearing a
hoodie, backward baseball cap, torn jeans, a ‘wife-beater,’ or
their baggy pajamas to the grocery store, the DMV, or to the
movies. Most people probably don’t even notice it anymore
because it has become a regular feature of what Americans
wear.[/quote]
Our enemies cite their authority on the subject:
[quote]Americans, it seems, are quite content in attiring
themselves like complete slobs. They can’t be bothered to wear
appropriate and form-fitting clothes. Comedian Bill Mahr was
right when he said on his Real Time show in 2013 that Americans
won’t be happy until they can go shopping in a diaper![/quote]
(I think they mean Maher.)
[quote]Just as so many American fathers have abdicated their
role as leaders in the family, so also mothers have failed to
instruct and guide their daughters on what it means to be a
woman. The days when our women were known for being feminine,
soft-spoken, and polite are over. The entire notion of behaving
“classy” and “dignified” seems to have been kicked to the curb.
Whites Have Succumbed to the Degrading Fashion Trends of Blacks
What I find to be especially disturbing is how many of our young
White men and women follow the fashion trends of Blacks. White
males wearing their hat backwards might seem like a petty thing
to complain about. Perhaps, but even in something as seemingly
insignificant as this, it shows the degree of influence that
Black ‘culture’ has had on our way of life.
White males didn’t do this sort of thing until around the late
80s or early 90s when Black ‘rap’ music took hold of the nation.
It’s been downhill ever since. The backwards baseball cap thing
popular among Black males is, in my view, indicative of them as
a people. Everything they do is backwards. They are largely
unwilling to assimilate to the norms of White civilization, and
it shows in their attitudes, including at times in the smallest
of ways. These are subtle acts of defiance by Blacks, a sort of
“**** you!” to the White man and a declaration that “we’re
different than you!”[/quote]
Yes (note Skate's backwards baseball cap):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoahUBEMzwQ
[quote]What a stark contrast all of this is to prior generations
of White [s]Americans[/s]. Consider the 1950s when
[s]America[/s], according to some observers, was at its pinnacle
in terms of national unity, civility, and morality. People used
to dress up when they went shopping or even to the grocery store
as strange as that may sound to our ears. It wasn’t rare to see
men in the stands at a professional baseball game wearing suits
and women wearing dresses.[/quote]
::)
[quote]Part of understanding all of this is recognizing that no
one puts on their daily clothes without thinking about it. None
of it is accidental. Yes, there are persons who give little
thought as to what they wear, but that doesn’t mean they
wouldn’t care if they dressed up like a clown or a disheveled
hobo. Most of us attire ourselves a certain way because this is
how we want to portray ourselves to others. Our clothes, then,
serve as a reflection of ourselves and what we want others to
think of us. Thus, when a gang member attires himself in a
thuggish way or anyone else for that matter, they are sending a
message. They are signaling to others. They are portraying
themselves, as well as messaging their values and worldview
(however slight it may be).
Most people don’t think about it much, but this is what is
occurring. A corporate professional for a large city bank, for
example, would not think of wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy
hat to work. He wouldn’t wear pajamas to the office either. He
knows he has an image he wants to project, one that comports
with his vocation and the policies of his company.
Thus, when Americans dress like slobs it’s a peek inside their
little world.[/quote]
Our enemies want bankers to be our rolemodels. Got it.
(Go back up to the video and note Mr X wearing a Western suit
(1:15:00). And having his building guarded by robots (1:06:00).
Additionally, note the names of the robots.)
[quote]What young White woman in the 1950s would want to dress
the way our women do today? What young White man in the 1950s
would want to emulate the lowest fashions and degrading
practices of Blacks? I suspect there would have been very few,
if any.
Times have changed, and that not for the better. We have been
feeling for decades the effects of the disastrous social and
political changes that occurred beginning in the 1960s.[/quote]
Thank you Counterculture!
[quote]One can see the downward progression by simply observing
the clothing standards of each new decade. Current trends,
sadly, indicate that it will only get worse.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXbIy0qWhnc
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 12, 2023, 6:05 pm
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Our enemies want the US to look as un-American as possible:
HTML https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1634336550564646913
[quote]America could have looked like this. We were so close...
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5UWd0X0AAQzq2?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5UedCXoAAk_sh?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5UkUBXwAExeq-?format=jpg&name=small[/img]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5UurqWwAEpuhK?format=jpg&name=small[/img]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5VtLPXwAE7XzA?format=jpg&name=small[/img][/quote]
Would you even know the above photos are of the US just by
looking at them? They could be of any Western country.
In contrast, in the below you instantly know which country you
are looking at:
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/NormsRestaurant_LaCienega.JPG/800px-NormsRestaurant_LaCienega.JPG[/img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Burbank_bob%27s_big_boy_patio_1.jpg/800px-Burbank_bob%27s_big_boy_patio_1.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Johnnie%27s_Coffee_Shop_for_Wiki_1.jpg/800px-Johnnie%27s_Coffee_Shop_for_Wiki_1.jpg
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Caribbean_Motel_NJ.JPG/800px-Caribbean_Motel_NJ.JPG[/img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/McDonald%27s_%28520_Oxford_St_W%29_-_London%2C_ON.jpg/800px-McDonald%27s_%28520_Oxford_St_W%29_-_London%2C_ON.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Silk_City_Diner_4655_in_Sabina.jpg/800px-Silk_City_Diner_4655_in_Sabina.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Bendix_Diner.jpg/800px-Bendix_Diner.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Salemdiner.jpg/800px-Salemdiner.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Angel%27s_-_Florida%27s_oldest_diner_-_July_2008_02.jpg/800px-Angel%27s_-_Florida%27s_oldest_diner_-_July_2008_02.jpg
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNpuIHbK3-I
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 14, 2023, 11:12 pm
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Counterculture according to Duchesne:
HTML https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1635742793136996354
[quote]White women have been manipulated into wearing
pants[/quote]
while he was praising video of woman (note face shape)
deliberately wearing Western clothes on the street amidst mostly
Counterculture clothes:
HTML https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1635645979750981632
Recall:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg1258/#msg1258
[quote]it wasn't that long ago when even women wearing trousers
was considered unacceptable in Western civilization (whereas
women in other civilizations have worn trousers alongside men
uncontroversially):
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers#Society
[quote] Based on Deuteronomy 22:5 in the Bible ("The woman
shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man"), some groups,
including the Amish, Hutterites, some Mennonites, some Baptists,
a few Church of Christ groups, and most Orthodox Jews, believe
that women should not wear trousers. These groups permit women
to wear underpants as long as they are hidden. By contrast, many
Muslim sects approve of pants as they are considered more modest
than any skirt that is shorter than ankle
length.[/quote][/quote]
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/re-genghis-khan/msg4142/#msg4142
[quote] Interactions between Ottomans and Britons occurred
throughout history, but in the 18th century, European visitors
and residents in the Ottoman Empire markedly increased, and
exploded in the 19th century.[1] As such, fashion is one method
to gauge the increased interactions. Historically, Europeans
clothing was more delineated between male and female dress. Hose
and trousers were reserved for men, and skirts were for
women.[2] Conversely, in the Ottoman Empire, the male and female
dress was more similar. A common item worn by both was the
şalvar, a voluminous undergarment in white fabric shaped
like what is today called "harem pants".[3] To British women
traveling in the Ottoman Empire, the şalvar quickly became
a symbol of freedom because they observed that Ottoman women had
more rights than British women did. Lady Mary Wortley Montague
(1689–1762), whose husband was the British Ambassador to
Constantinople, noted in her travels in her "Embassy Letters"
that Ottoman women "possessed legal property rights and
protections that far surpassed the rights of Western women".[4]
These female travelers often gained an intimate view of Ottoman
culture, since as women, they had easier access to the Muslim
Elite harems than did men.[5] Şalvar successfully spread
into Europe at the end of the 19th century as various female
suffragists and feminists used şalvar as a symbol of
emancipation. Other British women of distinction, such as Lady
(Janey) Archibald Campbell (1845–1923), and Lady Ottoline
(Violet Anne) Morrell (1873–1938) wore şalvar "in an
attempt to symbolize their refusal of traditional British
standards and sexual differences".[6] Şalvar also spread
beyond Europe when Amelia Jenks Bloomer modified these "Turkish
trousers" to create American "bloomers".[7][/quote]
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 21, 2023, 6:00 pm
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Our enemies complain about Counterculture-inspired decrease in
the sexual dimorphism of clothes:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/the-forgotten-1960s-unisex-craze
[quote]“Unisex” had a lot to do with Late Sixties wars over
hair. In the 1960s, males got their hair cut only by male
barbers.
...
But in the 1970s it became cool for guys to get their hair cut
by women. Hair salons put out signs declaring themselves
“unisex” to advertise that the opposite sex was okay to come in.
...
Nobody today remembers how hard Society pushed “unisex”
androgyny in the 1970s. For example, from the Sears catalog:
HTML https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-at-6.20.45-AM.png
HTML https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-21-at-6.21.40-AM.png
[/quote]
I made a similar point (but in a positive tone) back here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-dress-decolonization/msg5864/#msg5864
Contrast with the high sexual dimorphism of Western clothes:
[img width=853
height=1280]
HTML https://www.brides.com/thmb/WTQiJ4pOLBIX6A_ZnBtTk9aIboU=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/wedding-dress-code-explained-v2-d929658adb614430be36ee20caaea7fe.png[/img]
This is how superior the Counterculture was.
With that said, one possible criticism is that, despite the
Counterculture designers' good intentions, they had forgotten to
remove Western button placement:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5632/?topicseen#msg5632
thus even the clothes pictured in the enemy post are inferior to
non-Western clothes, none of which use sexually dimorphic button
placement. This problem was solved only with the tracksuits I
mentioned in the second link which used zips instead of buttons:
[quote]
HTML https://vintagedancer.com/wp-content/uploads/80s-shell-tracksuits-windbreakers-jackets-mens-women.jpg[/quote]
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 16, 2023, 4:46 pm
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Our enemies academically agree with us regarding Western vs
American architecture:
HTML https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1646631882937729027
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtoCFw1WAAIjfXi?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
vs
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtoDXQ-WYAAjlC2?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
The only difference is that their opinion of the former is:
[quote]Will mankind ever construct a building as perfect as this
again?[/quote]
whereas ours is:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6679/?topicseen#msg6679
Bonus commercial:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN61cFkwMyc
Can you imagine Fry Kids inside the Western building? Neither
can I.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 23, 2023, 4:11 pm
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Culture Critic's anti-Americanism on display again:
HTML https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1672293334780395521
[quote]New York City's Woolworth Building is just that -
nicknamed the "Cathedral of Commerce", it is one of the finest
early skyscrapers in the world, and a monument to the economic
dominance of the city in the early 20th Century.[/quote]
[img width=853
height=1280]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzUdGX5X0AAUTbx?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[quote]He believed civic buildings deserved the necessary
expenditure to make them beautiful. Fortunately, he worked
during a time of vast appetite for elaborate ornamentation and
high-budget historicism, before the Great Depression killed many
such ambitions.[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzUeW8PWYAUG_DH?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
[quote]For the Woolworth Building, Gilbert drew inspiration from
his prior trips across Europe, incorporating intricate carvings,
gargoyles and grotesques into the 15th and 16th Century-inspired
neo-Gothic facade.[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzUejdAXsAg1LDc?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
[quote]The main entrance is a marvel of Gothic design,
consisting of a three-story Tudor arch surrounded in elaborate
stone details.[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzUephmWAAAgpmX?format=png&name=900x900[/img]
[quote]Stepping inside, the lobby is an eclectic mix of styles,
and rich with detailed bronze fittings. Its Byzantine-style
mosaics, vaulted ceiling and stained glass skylight make an
extravagant welcome.[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzUesgGX0AIkq-n?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
Again, can you imagine Fry Kids (see previous post) inside the
Woolworth Building? Neither can I.
Or, for that matter, Grimace? But here is some pro-American
news:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mcdonalds-exec-grimaces-return-fuels-the-awakening-of-the-brand-143232859.html
[quote]Grimace's return fuels the 'awakening of the brand'
...
According to McDonald’s chief marketing and customer experience
officer Tariq Hassan, it's all part of the fast food company's
plan to become a "cultural icon" and use that status to drive
the business.
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/tCROtcCUj3J3x0DaWw2SRA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTc4NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2023-06/5305a0e0-102b-11ee-bb5e-6dcd25726809[/img]
Grimace, a fast-food marketing icon in the 1980s, has taken over
McDonald's social media as part of an omnichannel marketing
initiative promoting a special meal for the character's
birthday.[/quote]
This is what American aesthetics are supposed to be like!
HTML https://relevantmagazine.com/current/buzzworthy/mcdonalds-celebrates-grimaces-birthday-with-retro-video-game/
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk61dHLut7A
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