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Are Jews Comparable to Racist Gentiles?
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: December 4, 2021, 1:51 am
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@90sRetroFan I feel like we give Jews the high ground in a
debate by comparing Zionists to your average racist, since
Zionists really aren't as similar to them as pro-Palestinian
leftists generally claim. As far as I'm aware, even the
strictest Jews theoretically accept converts, which implies that
ethnicity isn't a factor at all in quintessential Judaism. There
are definitely racist Jews, but if Judaism is the polar opposite
of Aryanism, then ultimately ethnotribalist sentiment should
hold no weight in a Judaism correctly practiced, since it's a
gathering of all who resonate enough with Jewish doctrine to
practice it. You've also mentioned before, in response to the
claim from white nationalists that Jews are heavily mixed, that
they were actually keeping their racial soul pure by converting
and assimilating Turanians of other ethnicities along the way.
Basically, Jews should technically share more in common with us
than they do with gentiles, since their racial ideology is a
twisted inversion of our motto "unity through nobility". In this
sense, groups like the British Israelites and Christian Identity
actually completely miss the point of Judaism, the ideology that
they're trying to co-opt, by claiming that "white" people are
the true Israelites and no one else. Judaism/Zionism is the
logical conclusion of Turanism, and Turanism transcends
ethnicity in the same way that Aryanism does. I'd like to hear
your thoughts
#Post#: 9973--------------------------------------------------
Re: Are Jews Comparable to Racist Gentiles?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 4, 2021, 3:19 am
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"ethnotribalist sentiment should hold no weight in a Judaism
correctly practiced"
I am not so sure:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
--- Quote ---
> In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via
descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e.
selected to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the
Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the
Book of Deuteronomy[1] as the verb baḥar
(בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)),
and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other
terms such as "holy people".[2]
> ...
> According to Deuteronomy, when the Lord delivers the
Israelites to the land, the other nations will be cast out, and
"thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto
them"[6] Deuteronomy 7:4-7:5,
>
> "But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their
altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves,
and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art a holy
people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee
to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are
upon the face of the earth".[7]
>
> A similar passage exalting Israel as the chosen people follows
prohibitions on baldness[8] and cutting yourself in mourning,
"For thou art a holy people".[9]
>
> The Torah also says,
>
> "Now therefore, if you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my
covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure unto me from all
the peoples, for all the earth is mine."[10]
>
> God promises that he will never exchange his people with any
other:
>
> "And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your
descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting
covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you."[11]
>
> Other Torah verses about chosenness,
>
> "And you shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy
nation"[12]
>
> "The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you,
because you were more in number than any people; for you were
the fewest of all people; but because the Lord loved you, and
because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your
ancestors."[13]
--- End Quote ---
The main difference between Judaism and WN is that Judaism cares
more about presence of Israelite blood among Jews whereas WNs
care about absence of "non-white" blood among "whites".
Judaism's acceptance of converts assumes that the converts will
reproduce with the original (ie. Israelite-descended) Jews, thus
the descendants of the converts will carry Israelite blood
anyway.
"a gathering of all who resonate enough with Jewish doctrine to
practice it."
And yet:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/jewish-racism-vs-anti-jewish-anti-racism/
--- Quote ---
> Pro-Jewish racism will certainly prefer Jews over non-Jews
when both are perceived as similarly “white”, but at the same
time is likely to prefer “white” non-Jews over even Jews (or
those who claim Jewishness) if the latter are perceived as
“non-white”:
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Jews#Igbo_Jews_in_Israel
>
> the Igbo Jewish community is not recognized by the Israel’s
Supreme Court or by any other Jewish religious group. Indeed,
while they identify themselves as part of the worldwide Jewish
community, they are still struggling to be recognized by other
Jews.[17] Indeed, Igbo Jews asserts that they are connected to
Judaism via their Jewish blood as they claim to be descendants
of the ancient Israelites.[16] In S. Afsai article, an affiliate
of the Gihon Hebrews’ Synagogue declares:[17] “We say we are
Jews from blood. We are now excluded; we cannot go and
participate as Jews in any place. I make an appeal that we be
recognized, not excluded and isolated from other Jews.”
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Intra-Jewish_racism:_Racism_between_Jews
>
> Some Jewish Israelis of European descent, known also as
Ashkenazi Jews, have been described as viewing themselves as
superior to non-Ashkenazi Jews. They are accused of maintaining
an elite position in Israeli society,[150][151] with some
describing the attitudes of Ashkenazim as racist or of being a
manifestation of racism.[152]
>
> …
>
> Israeli society in general – and Ashkenazi Jews in particular
– have been described as holding discriminatory attitudes
towards Jews of Middle Eastern and North African descent, known
as Mizrahi Jews, Sephardic Jews, and Oriental Jews.[162] A
variety of Mizrahi critics of Israeli policy have cited “past
ill-treatment, including the maabarot, the squalid tent cities
into which Mizrahim were placed upon arrival in Israel; the
humiliation of Moroccan and other Mizrahi Jews when Israeli
immigration authorities shaved their heads and sprayed their
bodies with the pesticide DDT
>
> …
>
> In the 1950s, 1,033[179] children of Yemenite immigrant
families disappeared. In most instances, the parents claim that
they were told their children were ill and required
hospitalization. Upon later visiting the hospital, it is claimed
that the parents were told that their children had died though
no bodies were presented or graves which have later proven to be
empty in many cases were shown to the parents. Those who believe
the theory contend that the Israeli government as well as other
organizations in Israel kidnapped the children and gave them for
adoption. Secular Israeli Jews of European descent were accused
of collaborating in the disappearance of babies of Yemeni Jews
and anti-religious motives and anti-religious coercion were
alleged.[180][181][182][183][184][185][186] Some went further to
accuse the Israeli authorities of conspiring to kidnap the
Yemeni children due to “racist” motives.[187]
>
> …
>
> there have been a series of reports in the Israeli press about
alleged acts of police brutality against Ethiopian Israelis,
with many in the community saying they are unfairly targeted and
treated more harshly than other citizens
>
> This is especially the case in the sphere of reproduction,
when Jews frequently reproduce with “white” non-Jews with the
offspring accepted as Jews and without systematic worry about
polluting the Jewish gene pool, yet when it comes to
“non-whites” (even if Jewish), all hell breaks loose:
>
> In 1962, authorities in Israel were accused by articles in the
Indian press of racism in relation to Jews of Indian ancestry
(called Bene Israel).[188][189] In the case that caused the
controversy, the Chief Rabbi of Israel ruled that before
registering a marriage between Indian Jews and Jews not
belonging to that community, the registering rabbi should
investigate the lineage of the Indian applicant for possible
non-Jewish descent
>
> …
>
> In 2010, Israel was accused of a “sterilization policy” aimed
towards Ethiopian Jews, for allowing the prescription of
contraceptive drugs like Depo-Provera to the
community.[202][203] They stated that the Israeli government
deliberately gives female Ethiopian Jews long-lasting
contraceptive drugs like Depo-Provera.[202]
>
> …
>
> Israel initially denied the claim of imposing a sterilization
policy on the Ethiopian women,[202] but later admitted to it …
35 Ethiopian women who had immigrated to Israel said they had
been told they would not be allowed into Israel unless they
agreed to the shots.
>
> So basically in Jewish eyes: “white” Jews > “white” non-Jews
>> “non-white” Jews > “non-white” non-Jews.
--- End Quote ---
So while Jews care about presence of Israelite blood, it turns
out they - just like WNs - also care about absence of
"non-white" blood! In terms of view of "non-white" blood, Jews
and WNs are very similar: both regard "non-white" blood as
contaminating. (Possibly Jews make an exception for "non-white"
ethnicities with sufficiently high average IQ test scores, but
then recently so do an increasing number of WNs.....)
"groups like the British Israelites and Christian Identity
actually completely miss the point of Judaism, the ideology that
they're trying to co-opt, by claiming that "white" people are
the true Israelites and no one else"
I suspect when today's Jews imagine in their minds the ancient
Israelites described in the Tanakh, they too visualize the
Israelites to be "whites". The difference is that Jews believe
that most "whites" (other than Jews themselves, who always knew
their ancestry) are not descended from the Israelites, whereas
CI believes that most "whites" are descended from Israelites
though they may not know it. (I personally find the Jewish
narrative more convincing, since it seems unlikely to me that
those with Israelite ancestry would easily allow their
descendants to forget it.)
"Judaism/Zionism is the logical conclusion of Turanism, and
Turanism transcends ethnicity in the same way that Aryanism
does."
However, Judaism makes a distinction between Israelites
(descendants of Jacob) and Edomites (descendants of Esau),
favouring the former despite both being Turanian. I think what
is going on is that Judaism views Jacob as the racial emergence
of a more intellectually advanced subtype of Turanian, and thus
Judaism is about promoting this subtype in particular over the
less advanced subtype. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/esau-and-jacob/
The Aryanist equivalent would be if we started looking for
heritable Gnostics (since most Aryans are not heritable
Gnostics, despite our lifestyle facilitating the emergence of
such a subtype).
"if Judaism is the polar opposite of Aryanism"
Turanism is the polar opposite of Aryanism. Judaism is the polar
opposite of Gnosticism.
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