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What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the 60'
s?
By: guest55 Date: December 1, 2021, 3:38 pm
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What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
HTML https://www.instagram.com/fantasticfungi/
(Don't agree with every thing the host Rick says, but he makes
some interesting points worth pondering).
Also an important documentary:
Fantastic Fungi
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7abxMxL4so
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: guest78 Date: November 30, 2022, 10:48 pm
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Why the “Psychedelic Renaissance” is just Colonialism by Another
Name
[quote]A new psychedelic renaissance that remains grounded in
colonial habits risks replicating historic and systemic harms
and injustices[/quote]
[quote][...]The term renaissance assumes there is something to
be reborn from. In the case of psychedelics, the assumption is
that the current resurgence of mainstream acceptance, interest,
and experimentation, with the requisite increase in financial
investment and academic research, is the continuation of the
legacy of the 1960s. From the first synthesization of mescaline
in 1919 to the discovery of LSD by Albert Hofmann in 1938, the
research (and antics) of Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert at
Harvard in the 1960s, and the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) of
1970 along with the mass incarcerations that ensued, one could
argue that the initial psychedelic movement of Western culture
was more akin to a stillborn than a finished labor. Can a
movement have a rebirth if it never had a proper birth in the
first place?
What is often forgotten in this discourse is that the first
psychedelic boom in the 1960s was a novelty only for the West.
Countless other cultures, especially Indigenous nations, have
been well acquainted with a large number of psychedelic or
entheogenic plants and medicines for millenia. It merely took
the West generations to catch up. In relation to the recent
uptick of interest in psychedelics in the West, the current
“renaissance” appears to be far from a deep intellectual and
spiritual rebirth, grounded in something other than the survival
instinct of Western modernity. As is, it is more akin to a
reboot of modern society’s failed attempt to re-imagine (and
somewhat heal) itself in the 1960s, while continuing to
conveniently place the cost of its survival and continuity on
other peoples and cultures elsewhere (i.e. continued coloniality
and exploitation as a salve for the existential woes of Western
culture).
Without a deeper understanding of the context in which the
current “renaissance” is unfolding, most of the mainstream
notions of the future of psychedelics import some kind of
Western progress narrative, without ever truly looking at the
toxic environment in which this rebirth is purportedly happening
or the externalized costs of the project. As such, they end up
replicating the logic of capitalist modernity.[/quote]
Entire article:
HTML https://doubleblindmag.com/colonialism-by-another-name/
Colonial Shadows in the Psychedelic Renaissance
[quote]In April, I joined the two-day Psychedelic Liberty
Summit, where the voices of several Indigenous participants from
Colombia, Brazil, and several tribal nations in the United
States discussed their concerns over the parallel trends in
decriminalization efforts and the expansion of the use of sacred
plant medicines. These medicines and the cultural practices that
have sustained their safe and sustainable use are now, more than
ever, being consumed by a global public, and many Indigenous
peoples argue that these plants and their spiritual practices
are being appropriated while their native territories continue
to be encroached upon for other global consumption items like
minerals, fuel, and beef.[/quote]
Entire article:
HTML https://chacruna.net/colonial-shadows-in-the-psychedelic-renaissance/
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
By: SirGalahad Date: May 9, 2023, 2:42 am
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Don’t know exactly where to post this kind of thing, so I’ll
just leave it here. Probably one of the most disturbing comics
I’ve ever seen. The sad part is that one part of this comic is
inaccurate. It almost definitely will not take 1000 years to get
to that level of technology, especially with the impending
singularity. I’d bet that if this is our fate, it will happen
very soon, within all of our lifetimes. Gotta say, the Matrix
would have been a very boring movie from this angle. No virtual
reality, just everyone quietly starting into space
[img width=160
height=1280]
HTML https://i.redd.it/d4r8zy8vjrt31.jpg[/img]
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Re: What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 9, 2023, 3:42 am
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This comic reflects Western fears of automation neutralizing
Faustianism, and is quite similar to Western criticism of
Counterculture-era drug users. It has minimal overlap with our
fears of machines empowering Faustianism.
If our only two choices were either the future depicted in the
comic or:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
I would choose the former. The comic future, while doubtless
overly hedonistic and anthropocentric, and certainly in no way
regressive, at least prevents further expansion,
complexification or other progress, or even reproduction! And at
least it ends after the sun burns out! Contrast with:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg2580/#msg2580
which is what we find truly frightening.
In fact, the comic future could be considered a drug-assisted
version of:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi
[quote]First jhāna:
Separated (vivicceva) from desire for sensual pleasures,
separated (vivicca) from [other] unwholesome states (akusalehi
dhammehi, unwholesome dhammas[34]), a bhikkhu enters upon and
abides in the first jhana, which is [mental] pīti
("rapture," "joy") and [bodily] sukha ("pleasure")[/quote]
which is also what the Counterculture-era drug users were often
aiming for. While Buddhism warns that many practitioners of
meditation get addicted to the above state (which is the
lowest-level state) and end up stuck there indefinitely, it is
still preferable to trying to get equivalent stimulation through
initiating violence:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/anti-gentrification/msg15225/#msg15225
And even from a subjective perspective, being inside that room
in the comic while being kept immortal would be preferable to
becoming immortal to then accumulating ever more new experiences
and memories. The latter is what would move us ever further away
from childhood:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9843/#msg9843
whereas the former would seem to merely keep us statically
displaced from it.
Of course, if we learn that manufacturing the pill in the comic
actually involves initiated violence (presumably on non-humans,
since the robot seems to only care about humans), then the comic
future could be much worse than it appears.
With only the information given to us in the comic, I would much
rather Musk be given the comic pill than remain his present
Faustian self.....
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Re: What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
By: SirGalahad Date: May 9, 2023, 4:07 am
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“The comic future, while doubtless overly hedonistic and
anthropocentric, and certainly in no way regressive, at least
prevents further expansion, complexification or other progress,
or even reproduction!”
I had that thought as well. Progressives really can’t stop
themselves from opening every single Pandora’s box. If they
conceive of something and it can be made a reality, it WILL be
invented by somebody, regardless of whether the consequences are
known or not. It’s kind of humorous to imagine a progressive
Yahwist so thoroughly enslaved by a progressive invention, that
Faustianism and other displays of hubris are rendered impossible
“I would much rather Musk be given the comic pill than remain
his present Faustian self.....”
This is unlikely, unfortunately. In a discussion I was reading
for this comic, someone said that apparently Elon Musk has
referenced this exact sort of scenario for the future before.
And he basically said that we shouldn’t instruct AI to maximize
happiness, because then it will follow that imperative to its
ultimate logical conclusion and have us hooked up to an endless
supply of peak dopamine and serotonin. So it’s more likely that
you’ll have a specific subset of humanity, perhaps even the
majority in these sorts of pleasure cubes, while people like
Elon Musk would reject the offer and take their lackies to
colonize the rest of space. If we’re being optimistic, maybe
full-dive VR would be another alternative capable of entrapping
some Musk-types in a way that pleasure cubes wouldn’t be able
to. They’d have virtual worlds and universes to conquer. Though
again, not even this would be enough for a select few, even if
the constructed worlds and universes were more “interesting”
than our own
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Re: What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 9, 2023, 4:24 am
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Have you seen the movie Total Recall?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjIxZrc1uLs
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Re: What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
By: guest63 Date: May 15, 2023, 4:34 am
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"This comic reflects Western fears of automation neutralizing
Faustianism, and is quite similar to Western criticism of
Counterculture-era drug users. It has minimal overlap with our
fears of machines empowering Faustianism.
If our only two choices were either the future depicted in the
comic or:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
I would choose the former. The comic future, while doubtless
overly hedonistic and anthropocentric, and certainly in no way
regressive, at least prevents further expansion,
complexification or other progress, or even reproduction! And at
least it ends after the sun burns out! Contrast with:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg2580/#msg2580
which is what we find truly frightening.
In fact, the comic future could be considered a drug-assisted
version of:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi
[quote]First jhāna:
Separated (vivicceva) from desire for sensual pleasures,
separated (vivicca) from [other] unwholesome states (akusalehi
dhammehi, unwholesome dhammas[34]), a bhikkhu enters upon and
abides in the first jhana, which is [mental] pīti
("rapture," "joy") and [bodily] sukha ("pleasure")[/quote]
which is also what the Counterculture-era drug users were often
aiming for. While Buddhism warns that many practitioners of
meditation get addicted to the above state (which is the
lowest-level state) and end up stuck there indefinitely, it is
still preferable to trying to get equivalent stimulation through
initiating violence:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/anti-gentrification/msg15225/#msg15225
And even from a subjective perspective, being inside that room
in the comic while being kept immortal would be preferable to
becoming immortal to then accumulating ever more new experiences
and memories. The latter is what would move us ever further away
from childhood:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9843/#msg9843
whereas the former would seem to merely keep us statically
displaced from it.
Of course, if we learn that manufacturing the pill in the comic
actually involves initiated violence (presumably on non-humans,
since the robot seems to only care about humans), then the comic
future could be much worse than it appears.
With only the information given to us in the comic, I would much
rather Musk be given the comic pill than remain his present
Faustian self....."
This would be a much better version of the suburbs in my
opinion, especially if things with my crush don't work out.
Suburbs are already a prototype of it.
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Re: What was the real reason for the psychedelic backlash in the
60's?
By: guest63 Date: May 15, 2023, 4:46 am
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'I had that thought as well. Progressives really can’t stop
themselves from opening every single Pandora’s box. If they
conceive of something and it can be made a reality, it WILL be
invented by somebody, regardless of whether the consequences are
known or not. It’s kind of humorous to imagine a progressive
Yahwist so thoroughly enslaved by a progressive invention, that
Faustianism and other displays of hubris are rendered
impossible'
This could be used on them, with the invention of time machines
and allowing Hitler to win the war or better yet, preventing
humanity from existing in the first place. Then again, it could
easily be used to fulfill their lusts.
This is unlikely, unfortunately. In a discussion I was reading
for this comic, someone said that apparently Elon Musk has
referenced this exact sort of scenario for the future before.
And he basically said that we shouldn’t instruct AI to maximize
happiness, because then it will follow that imperative to its
ultimate logical conclusion and have us hooked up to an endless
supply of peak dopamine and serotonin. So it’s more likely that
you’ll have a specific subset of humanity, perhaps even the
majority in these sorts of pleasure cubes, while people like
Elon Musk would reject the offer and take their lackies to
colonize the rest of space. If we’re being optimistic, maybe
full-dive VR would be another alternative capable of entrapping
some Musk-types in a way that pleasure cubes wouldn’t be able
to. They’d have virtual worlds and universes to conquer. Though
again, not even this would be enough for a select few, even if
the constructed worlds and universes were more “interesting”
than our own'
Kill the Musk types before they enslave us.
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Re: Medical decolonization
By: guest98 Date: June 25, 2023, 4:49 pm
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[quote]As stigmas around psychedelics like psilocybin – the
active ingredient in magic mushrooms – are torn down, there’s a
corresponding push among scientists to expand our understanding
of how they work and the role they could play in improving our
health and well-being.
Research into psilocybin has shown that the drug in higher doses
appears to increase neuroplasticity, the ability to form or
reorganize synaptic connections in the brain.
But whether microdosing can help treat depression is less clear
– despite claims from advocates that it works.[/quote]
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