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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 20, 2023, 10:44 pm
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Re: Israel
By: rp Date: October 28, 2023, 11:34 pm
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Arab folkism vs Bedouin ethnotribalism:
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Except the tribalist is not a "fascist"!
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Re: Re: Israel
By: SirGalahad Date: October 29, 2023, 3:39 pm
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I dislike the use of soyjak and Chad memes, because it feels too
close to strawmanning. I’d rather just use people’s own words
(and their own taste in men/women for the threads on human
aesthetics) against them, instead of creating a caricature that
deliberately talks in a whining tone. And soyjak and Chad memes
also reinforce the idea that hypermasculinity is good
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Re: Re: Israel
By: rp Date: October 29, 2023, 3:53 pm
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Chad does not necessarily have to mean hypermasculine (as
mentioned in an another thread). Although I agree that the way
the meme character ("Yes Chad" as he is known, originating from
the Mediterranean/Nordic meme) is drawn ultimately does end up
reinforcing it. However, I do support caricaturing our enemies,
doesn't necessarily have to be with the Soyjak meme. I recall in
another thread where our enemies tried to caricature Nordic
dolichocephalics in a negative way, but ended up caricaturing
themselves (Cro-Magnons) as subhuman. Giga L for them lol.
Imagine the damage we could do if we were the ones making
caricatures of them.
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Re: Re: Israel
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 29, 2023, 5:37 pm
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I was actually confused when you initially posted the above meme
as to which side you were supporting. Being a Shia supporter
myself, I hope for eventual definitive Shia victory over Sunni,
not compromise, therefore Wahhabis who want a Sunni vs Shia
conflict are actually more useful towards this objective. (Of
course I do not want the Sunni vs Shia conflict to begin until
after Western civilization is dead.)
"folkism"
When we talk about folkism in relation to religion, we mean
unity between different (but qualitatively compatible)
religions, not unity between (qualitatively incompatible)
interpretations of the same nominal religion. We have always
been against the latter, hence topics such as:
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There is only one correct interpretation of each religion.
"Imagine the damage we could do if we were the ones making
caricatures of them."
You should make some and post them.
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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: rp Date: October 29, 2023, 6:02 pm
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"(Of course I do not want the Sunni vs Shia conflict to begin
until after Western civilization is dead.)"
This is why I supported the guy on the right (i.e. unite to
defeat Israel).
"When we talk about folkism in relation to religion, we mean
unity between different (but qualitatively compatible)
religions, not unity between (qualitatively incompatible)
interpretations of the same nominal religion. We have always
been against the latter, hence topics such as:"
I was referring to folkism in relation to ethnicity, i.e. the
folkist is the one who considers all those who adopt Arab
culture/language as an Arab, in contrast to the Bedouin
ethnotribalist.
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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 29, 2023, 6:58 pm
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Yes, but the Wahhabi's complaint is against Shias. The Chad
doesn't address this. Even if we ignore the claim that
Arabic-speaking Shias are ancestrally Persians, the Sunni vs
Shia conflict remains unresolved. Therefore Arabs, some of whom
are Sunni and others of whom are Shia, by definition cannot be a
folk.
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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: rp Date: October 29, 2023, 7:05 pm
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Ok. So Arab nationalism fails to address the Wahhabi's
complaint. But is it at least useful in uniting people under a
secular Arabic cultural umbrella (i.e. Baathism, Nasserism)
instead of a theological one?
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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 29, 2023, 7:32 pm
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Then what about Jews who speak Arabic, share the culture and
live in the Arab world?
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Re: Tolerance Is an Ugly Word
By: rp Date: October 29, 2023, 7:45 pm
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Fair point, the Chad does indeed fail to address this.
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