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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 8, 2024, 8:15 pm
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[quote]1) A belief that any disparities in outcomes favoring
whites over non-whites or men over women are caused by
discrimination[/quote]
I do not believe that relative paucity of machinists among
"non-whites" compared to "whites" is caused by discrimination
(the evidence for this is that this disparity existed prior to
the colonial era, and indeed was what enabled "whites" to
colonize "non-whites" so easily).
However, I am willing to blame "whites" for what their machines
did to the world that now everyone else has to live in whether
they like it or not (with "non-whites" moreover suffering worse
than "whites" from the effects of (e.g. global warming)). If
"whites" had never existed, the world would be a much better
place. Therefore "whites" must cease to exist ASAP. Am I not
woke?
[quote]2) The speech of those who would argue against 1 needs to
be restricted[/quote]
I just argued against 1) in the previous paragraph. I am not
restricting my own speech. Am I not woke?
[quote]3) Bureaucracies are needed that reflect the beliefs in 1
and 2, working to overcome disparities and managing speech and
social relations.[/quote]
Since 1) and 2) do not apply, neither does 3).
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 11, 2024, 3:24 pm
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Our enemies promote a new book:
HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2024/10/the-third-awokening/
[quote]Eric Kaufmann, author of Whiteshift and professor of
politics at the University of Buckingham, has written a new book
on “wokeness.”[/quote]
Kaufmann (Jew) was previously covered here:
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Continuing:
[quote]Prof. Kaufmann explains that unlike liberalism, which
calls for equal treatment, “wokeness” demands equal
outcomes.[/quote]
We do not demand equal outcomes. When have we ever demanded more
"white" NBA players?
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We do, on the other hand, reduction in "white" NBA ownership.
Preferably to 0%. Which is not equal either.
[quote]Since people are far from equal, they end up with very
different lives. Wokeness finds this unjust and tries to correct
it, often through illiberal means.[/quote]
What we find unjust is not that they end up with non-identical
lives, but that the evil are naturally rewarded for being evil:
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which includes present-day "whites" continuing to benefit daily
from the violence initiated by Western colonialism.
[quote]The author thus distinguishes “cultural” socialism from
economic socialism or communism.[/quote]
This part is correct, at least. Now just link the former to
Hitler and we will be in academic agreement.
[quote]Political beliefs are influenced by emotions, and Mr.
Kaufmann explains that a bias towards minorities and against the
majority has been the liberal norm since the 1960s.
...
The title, “the third awokening,” refers to three points in time
when there have been dramatic increases in this type of
thinking: one beginning in the mid-60s, another in the late 80s,
and finally in 2013.[/quote]
Thank you Counterculture for the first two! (Also, I would not
mind taking some credit for the third.)
[quote]Mr. Kaufmann offers several reasons for his belief that
unlike the McCarthy era, wokeness will not wane without
government action.
First, the woke are not a student fringe, but have positions of
power and the sympathy of the entire Left. Their demands are
merely an extension of liberals’ long-established preference for
minorities.[/quote]
"Whites" were a minority in Apartheid South Africa. We did not
have a preference for them, quite the contrary. Evil is evil
irrespective of numbers. "Whites" behaved similarly in Apartheid
South Africa as in Jim Crow US, even though they were the
minority in the former and the majority in the latter.
[quote]We cannot match the madness of the woke, but we need
passion to oppose them. White identity is inspiring in a way
that appeals to fairness are not. The races are different, and
our survival is supremely moral. Without race realism and white
identity, we can expect wokeness to continue advancing at
whites’ expense.[/quote]
This is the behaviour I was referring to. It has not changed one
bit. (But at least our enemies are now on the record admitting
that identitarianism is indeed not about fairness.)
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: antihellenistic Date: December 12, 2024, 1:19 am
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Aryanism forum's view on Hitler's worldview which created from
2009 are confirmed by one of these historian
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Source :
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 12, 2024, 4:29 am
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No, National Socialism does not reject biology. It merely has
different ideas than Western civilization about what is racially
good and bad. National Socialism is anti-"white" to the extent
that it considers "whites" BIOLOGICALLY problematic. There is
nothing supernatural about this. This is why National Socialism
emphasizes state control over reproduction rather than religious
conversion/indoctrination.
National Socialism's rejection of materialism comes into play in
its racial ideal: we want a race which rejects material
existence to be the last one remaining. But there is nothing
supernatural even about this. Rejection of material existence is
a straightforward ethical duty; even if we believed there is
nothing beyond material existence, it would be no less excusable
to initiate the violence of birth.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: antihellenistic Date: December 12, 2024, 8:45 pm
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[quote]Hitler himself didn’t see race as biological.
“According to Hitler’s view, there were not only racial
differences between the nations, but also within the community
of Germans. …the German nation was still not a uniform race, but
was composed of different racial elements.
According to Hitler’s understanding, there were racial elements,
for example, which were more musically, others which were more
technically-scientifically, again others which were more
politically gifted or capable, and so forth." - Rainer
Zitelmann
While this is rather strange, basically no longer [a] biological
definition of race, we must accept it as it is if we want to
understand the inner logic of Hitler’s reasoning at all.”
Source :
Zitelmann, "Hitler's National Socialism," p454.
“Racial war need not break out if people are selected not
according to their appearance but according to their
achievements. Looks and ability are often quite far apart. You
can make the selection according to the appearance, and you can
make it - as the party has done - according to the test of
life.” - Adolf Hitler
Source :
Adolf Hitler, 27 January 1942, quoted from Zitelmann, "Hitler's
National Socialism," p456.
(Minute 11:47 until 12 : 56)[/quote]
Source :
Exposing National Socialism's Contradictions - TIKHistory.
Tuesday, 10th December 2024
HTML https://youtu.be/qYLvrwj-HFI?t=707
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: rp Date: December 12, 2024, 9:04 pm
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“According to Hitler’s view, there were not only racial
differences between the nations, but also within the community
of Germans"
Nowhere does this statement imply that Hitler didn't see race as
biological. Quite the contrary, his definition of race is
explicitly talking about the biological differences among
Germans, which crude ethnocentric "racialists" choose to
deliberately ignore (but among whom the more literate are
acknowledging. If anything, this reveals the illiteracy of the
YouTuber.
"Racial war need not break out if people are selected not
according to their appearance but according to their
achievements."
Again, nowhere does this statement imply that Hitler didn't see
race as biological. If anything, it is drawing an implicit
distinction between phenotype and genotype IMO.
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: rp Date: September 16, 2025, 6:09 pm
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[quote]
Malcolm X was a pro-Palestine Black Separatist Muslim that was
anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist and pro CRA of 1964.
Kirk was a Christian Nationalist Zionist, hyper-capitalist who
was an apologist for imperialism & opposed the CRA of 1964.
These two would HATE each other lmao
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[Quote]
“It’s an honour to meet you, Mr. X.”
“You’re alright for a white boy Charlie.”
[Img]
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: rp Date: September 16, 2025, 7:41 pm
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BTW, quick overview of the idiot tweeter:
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[Quote]
Western civilisation enjoyer. Patriot. Adventurer. Dark
Abundance/Lee Kuan Yew Liberal Thought. Survived CCP kidnap
plot. FREE TIBET.
[/Quote]
Face:
[IMG]
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 16, 2025, 8:34 pm
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Claiming that Malcolm X would like Kirk is a corollary of the
"It's OK to be white" fallacy: "If it's respectable for a member
of the oppressed group to care about the oppressed group as a
whole, it should be equally respectable for a member of the
oppressor group to care about the oppressor group as a whole."
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