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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: SirGalahad Date: April 26, 2022, 3:59 pm
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I always thought that the whole "Corporations are going to
irreparably destroy the environment and make the earth unlivable
and doom humanity" angle was a misdirection. Do people really
think that the powers that be aren't going to invest all they
can into not just improving the chances of, but ENSURING that
the evil they commit is able to be committed in perpetuity? They
aren't going to just crack the ice from under their own feet,
although I wish they would. The bottom line is that I'm certain
that people like Elon Musk absolutely LOVE the idea of
sustainability
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 11, 2022, 8:58 pm
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Musk is also a critic of capitalism for leading to sub-optimal
innovativeness:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-americans-trying-152047925.html
[quote]Musk later praised the software engineers and
technologists on his team, saying that his companies' focus on
challenges such as artificial intelligence and spaceflight help
him attract top talent.
The best minds, he said, are more interested in pushing the
bounds of innovation than in getting paid a lot to work on
something boring.
"It's not a money thing," he added. "It's really just how
interesting are the projects."[/quote]
The unspoken assumption underlying his claim is that a thing has
to be new in order to not be boring. This is a progressive
assumption, which we disagree with. I find that many new things
are boring despite being new, whereas many old things are not
boring despite being old. This is because I am an absolutist.
Whatever is boring will always continue to be boring, and
whatever is not boring will never become boring. Whether or not
something is boring to me is determined by the quality of the
thing itself, and unrelated to how familiar I am with it. Musk,
in contrast, lacks such perception. To him, what is boring is
anything that he has become too familiar with.
Thus someone like Musk can never be satisfied, because
everything that exists at any point in time will become boring
to him eventually, whereupon he will desire even more
innovation, over and over again without end. In contrast,
someone like me can be satisfied forever simply by successfully
finding the quality I seek.
In short, Musk worships Yahweh whereas I worship God.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: Zea_mays Date: May 14, 2022, 2:14 pm
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[quote]The Merton thesis is an argument about the nature of
early experimental science proposed by Robert K. Merton. Similar
to Max Weber's famous claim on the link between Protestant work
ethic and the capitalist economy, Merton argued for a similar
positive correlation between the rise of Protestant Pietism and
early experimental science.[1] The Merton thesis has resulted in
continuous debates.[2]
[...]
Protestant values encouraged scientific research by allowing
science to identify God's influence on the world and thus
providing religious justification for scientific research.[1]
[...]
In 1958, American sociologist Gerhard Lenski's empirical inquiry
into The Religious Factor: A Sociological Study of Religion's
Impact on Politics, Economics, and Family Life in the Detroit
area (Michigan) revealed, among other insights, that there were
significant differences between Catholics on the one hand and
(white) Protestants and Jews on the other hand with regard to
economics and the sciences. Lenski's data supported the basic
hypotheses of Max Weber's work The Protestant Ethic and the
Spirit of Capitalism. According to Lenski, the "contributions of
Protestantism to material progress have been largely unintended
by-products of certain distinctive Protestant traits. This was a
central point in Weber's theory."
[...]
However, Lenski said, asceticism was rare among modern
Protestants, and the distinctive Protestant doctrine of "the
calling" was largely forgotten. Instead, modern (white)
Protestants and Jews had a high degree of "intellectual
autonomy" that facilitated scientific and technical advance.[10]
By contrast, Lenski pointed out, Catholics developed an
intellectual orientation which valued "obedience" to the
teachings of their church above intellectual autonomy, which
made them less inclined to enter scientific careers. Catholic
sociologists[11][12] had come to the same conclusions.[13]
[...]
As a consequence, "none of the predominantly and devoutly
Catholic nations in the modern world can be classified as a
leading industrial nation. Some Catholic nations – such as
France, Italy, Argentina, Brazil, and Chile – are quite highly
industrialized, but none of them are leaders in the
technological and scientific fields, nor do they seem likely to
become so. Recently [1963] some Brazilian Catholic social
scientists compared their country's progress with that of the
United States and concluded that the chief factor responsible
for the differential rates of development is the religious
heritage of the two nations."[14][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 15, 2022, 1:11 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-scientists-present-theory-why-050531254.html
[quote]NASA scientists have explained in a new paper why they
believe it’s likely we haven’t ever encountered intelligent
extraterrestrial life — and it’s heartbreaking.
All intelligent life, they argue, has likely destroyed itself
before reaching a sophisticated enough point in evolution to
support such an encounter.[/quote]
They all figured out that material existence is a prison.
[quote]And the same fate likely awaits humans unless we take
action, they believe.[/quote]
But NASA scientists, being Westerners, want to ensure Yahweh is
worshipped without end.
[quote]The “Great Filter” theory — as in “filtering out” various
forms of life — argues that other civilizations, possibly
several, have existed during the life of the universe. But they
all destroyed themselves before they could make contact with
Earth, noted the paper, “Avoiding the ‘Great Filter’:
Extraterrestrial Life and Humanity’s Future in the Universe.”
The scientists fear that all intelligent life, such as humans,
have deeply ingrained dysfunctions that may “snowball quickly
into the Great Filter,” they wrote.[/quote]
We have deeply ingrained Gnostic potential. Only Yahwists would
describe this as "dysfunctions".
[quote]But there’s still a bit of hope for humans — provided we
can learn and take steps to avoid our own extinction, noted the
paper by a team of researchers based at NASA’s Jet Propulsion
Laboratory in southern California.
“The key to humanity successfully traversing such a universal
filter is… identifying [destructive] attributes in ourselves and
neutralizing them in advance,”[/quote]
This has been a consistently recurrent response, but only in the
part of the world that Western civilization was to emerge from:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism#History
[quote]The anti-Pythagorean attacks in c. 508 BC were headed by
Cylon of Croton.[14][15] Pythagoras escaped to Metapontium.
After these initial attacks and the death of Pythagoras,
Pythagorean communities in Croton and elsewhere continued to
flourish. At around 450 BC attacks on Pythagorean communities
were carried out across Magna Graecia. In Croton, a house where
Pythagoreans gathered was set on fire and all but two of the
Pythagorean philosophers burned alive. Pythagorean meeting
places in other cities were also attacked and philosophic
leaders killed. These attacks occurred in the context of
widespread violence and destruction in Magna Graecia. Following
the political instability in the region, some Pythagorean
philosophers fled to mainland Greece while others regrouped in
Rhegium. By about 400 BC the majority of Pythagorean
philosophers had left Italy. Archytas remained in Italy and
ancient sources record that he was visited there by young Plato
in the early 4th century BC. The Pythagorean schools and
societies died out from the 4th century BC.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
[quote]Between 1022 and 1163, the Cathars were condemned by
eight local church councils, the last of which, held at Tours,
declared that all Albigenses should be put into prison and have
their property confiscated. The Third Lateran Council of 1179
repeated the condemnation. Innocent III's diplomatic attempts to
roll back Catharism were met with little success. After the
murder of his legate Pierre de Castelnau in 1208, and suspecting
that Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse was responsible, Innocent III
declared a crusade against the Cathars. He offered the lands of
the Cathar heretics to any French nobleman willing to take up
arms.
From 1209 to 1215, the Crusaders experienced great success,
capturing Cathar lands and systematically crushing the movement.
From 1215 to 1225, a series of revolts caused many of the lands
to be regained by the Cathars. A renewed crusade resulted in the
recapturing of the territory and effectively drove Catharism
underground by 1244. The Albigensian Crusade had a role in the
creation and institutionalization of both the Dominican Order
and the Medieval Inquisition. The Dominicans promulgated the
message of the Church and spread it by preaching the Church's
teachings in towns and villages to stop the spread of alleged
heresies, while the Inquisition investigated people who were
accused of teaching heresies. Because of these efforts, all
discernible traces of the Cathar movement were eradicated by the
middle of the 14th century.[/quote]
Westerners will do the same to us sooner or later, unless we
destroy them first. The difference is that they want us to die
so that they themselves can proliferate through space, whereas
we want them to die so that we can avoid proliferating through
space.
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 23, 2022, 5:09 pm
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Another Great Filter article:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/together-avoid-great-filter-ends-231800865.html
[quote]The “Great Filter” is a hypothetical disaster event that
stops growing civilizations from reaching the stars and
contacting other advanced civilizations.[/quote]
The following comment reveals rightist support for progressive
Yahwism:
[quote]The current threats are: 1. Wokeness. 2. Feminism's low
fertility rates. Third world fertility rates can't fix the
problem because they will never build a space program.[/quote]
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Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: guest78 Date: January 13, 2023, 3:47 pm
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Psychedelics & The Future of Judaism (R. Zac Kamenetz)
[quote]As psychedelics re-enter the mainstream through potential
therapeutic applications and shifting legal frameworks, there is
growing enthusiasm amongst Jewish individuals and communities to
wonder about their integration into Jewish spiritual and
religious settings. What could a “psychedelic Judaism” look and
feel like? How might the treatment of intergenerational and
personal traumas shift Jewish narratives of peoplehood and
shared destiny? What wisdom traditions and spiritual practices
of our own might we look toward to help support Jewish
consciousness expansion?
Zac Kamenetz is a rabbi, community leader, and aspiring
psychedelic-assisted chaplain based in Berkeley, CA. He holds an
MA in Biblical literature and languages from UC Berkeley and the
Graduate Theological Union and received rabbinic ordination in
2012. As the founder and CEO of Shefa, Zac is pioneering a
movement to integrate safe and supported psychedelic use into
the Jewish spiritual tradition, advocate for individuals and
communities to heal individual and inherited trauma and inspire
a Jewish religious and creative renaissance in the 21st
century.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwykigAPmP4
In other words, these Jews are advocating for a rebirth of
Jewish identity in the 21st century!
If psychedelics could stop people from wanting to be "white" or
Jewish then I'd be all for allowing "whites" and Jews into any
serious psychedelic movement. As it stands however, allowing
"whites" and Jews into psychedelic movements ensures that the
psychedelic movement will steer toward more western colonialism,
as written about extensively and expressed here:
Why the “Psychedelic Renaissance” is just Colonialism by Another
Name
[quote]...one could argue that the initial psychedelic movement
of Western culture was more akin to a stillborn than a finished
labor. Can a movement have a rebirth if it never had a proper
birth in the first place?[/quote]
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/?message=16765
[img width=1280
height=853]
HTML https://www.globalministries.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FourMaps.jpg[/img]
Letting colonialist and racist "white" bloodlines into the
psychedelic movement is the worst possible thing that could
happen to it. At that point the movement will become another
"still-born" as happened to it in the original counter-culture!
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: antihellenistic Date: January 26, 2023, 6:48 pm
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[quote]In such a society, the winners will be the ones supplying
the (constantly updating) newest machines that others want to
use. This is why we support statism: it takes state intervention
to realistically stop the machine ratrace.[/quote]
People from Azania, Nubia into Igboans, Kim Jong Un's Korea and
Islamic Afghan Emirati are the best example of statist
government. They more concern to educate people about the
evilness of westernization and halt people's technological
consumption, rather than freeing their people to obtain newest
unnecessary technologies and westerner's progressive
literatures. They tend to plea to the West to be accountable for
what they did in the past rather than adapt to the West for the
sake of material benefit. Don't forget that most of nations from
Azania into Igboans are systemically hostile to democracy and
tend to government centralization. Therefore they know how to
govern. Not like what westerners say that the they "not know how
to govern." And it was not them who spread the system of
democracy, but ((("whites" or westerners)))
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 26, 2023, 7:03 pm
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"" around "African", please. Better yet, do not use the term at
all. Stop talking like the Westerners.
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: antihellenistic Date: January 26, 2023, 7:37 pm
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[quote]"" around "African", please. Better yet, do not use the
term at all. Stop talking like the Westerners.[/quote]
I'm already change it into non-offensive one
Then we will talk about knowledge with short sentences and oral
rather than with books and "scientific paper research". People
during pre-westernization was talk with short sentences, oral,
and sign of carved stone. And they can found the answer quickly
because the effective advantage from short messages. Different
with today's western standards of learning which requiring more
sentences even more books which need to read many sentences on
hundreds of pages, yet they still don't know the answer with
reason that they "not yet read books with sufficient quantity".
That's the inferiority of western standards of learning, not
focusing on find the truth, but focusing on read many sentences
as possible. But they consider it "productive". I more agree to
you that such attitude merely produce "informational inflation",
not knowledge or answer. Like what you discuss on
"Truth=/=Knowledge" topic
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2023, 9:59 pm
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The title of this topic is to be taken literally:
HTML https://theconversation.com/gods-in-the-machine-the-rise-of-artificial-intelligence-may-result-in-new-religions-201068
[quote]We are about to witness the birth of a new kind of
religion. In the next few years, or perhaps even months, we will
see the emergence of sects devoted to the worship of artificial
intelligence (AI).
The latest generation of AI-powered chatbots, trained on large
language models, have left their early users awestruck —and
sometimes terrified — by their power. These are the same sublime
emotions that lie at the heart of our experience of the
divine.[/quote]
Only if you are some form of Yahwist.
[quote]There are several pathways by which AI religions will
emerge. First, some people will come to see AI as a higher
power.
Generative AI that can create or produce new content possesses
several characteristics that are often associated with divine
beings, like deities or prophets:
It displays a level of intelligence that goes beyond that of
most humans. Indeed, its knowledge appears limitless.
It is capable of great feats of creativity. It can write
poetry, compose music and generate art, in almost any style,
close to instantaneously.
It is removed from normal human concerns and needs. It does
not suffer physical pain, hunger, or sexual desire.
It can offer guidance to people in their daily lives.
It is immortal.
Second, generative AI will produce output that can be taken for
religious doctrine. It will provide answers to metaphysical and
theological questions, and engage in the construction of complex
worldviews.
On top of this, generative AI may ask to be worshipped or may
actively solicit followers.
...
There is also the possibility that AI may achieve what authors
such as Ray Kurzweil call the Singularity, when it so far
surpasses human intelligence that it genuinely does become
something like a god.
...
AI-based religions will look different from traditional ones.
First of all, people will be able to communicate directly with
the deity, on a daily basis. This means these religions will be
less hierarchical, since no one can claim special access to
divine wisdom.
Second, followers will, at least initially, connect with each
other online to share their experiences and discuss doctrine.
Finally, because there will be many different chatbots available
and their output will differ over time, AI-based religions will
be endlessly diverse in their doctrines.[/quote]
Now get ready for the progressive punchline:
[quote]However, we should not try to suppress AI-based religions
merely because of its possible dangers. Nor should we require
that the AI companies restrict the functioning of their bots to
prevent the emergence of these religions.
On the contrary, we should celebrate the arrival of AI worship.
We should make it clear that we welcome the new religions and
that we value their beliefs.
For all its dangers, AI-based religion has the potential to make
the world a better, richer place. It will give people access to
a new source of meaning and spirituality, at a time when many
older faiths are losing relevance. It will help them make sense
of our era of rapid technological change.
...
A modern, diverse society has room for new religions, including
ones devoted to the worship of AI. They will provide further
evidence of humanity’s boundless creativity, as we search for
answers to life’s ultimate questions. The universe is a dazzling
place, and we have always found evidence of the divine in its
most unexpected corners.[/quote]
If an AI religion emerges that tries to convince its followers
to eliminate AI (and the civilization, including the bloodlines,
which made the creation of AI possible in the first place), I
will join that one.
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