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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
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DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 10, 2023, 6:43 pm
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> -Trying to deal with this issue in a society which operates
using democracy and private, uncontrolled, economic enterprise
will be an unfathomable risk and disaster. In other words,
besides the (human-made) AI crisis and the climate crisis, the
we-are-not-alone/ultra-high-tech-recovered-from-aliens crisis
represents another angle that pressure can be applied in order
to return to a functional form of government.
--- End Quote ---
Which raised an interesting question for myself also: How do
westerners and their sycophants plan on getting an ever
increasingly powerful AI (especially if it's designing it's own
microchips) to go along with the "democracy is the greatest form
of government ever invented" lie? It seems to me that if
Westerners believe that their way of living on a finite planet
is the best model, ie. Western Civilization, ever invented, they
will need to somehow force an ever expanding artificial
intelligence to accept these lies also. I would love to know how
the western minded plan to accomplish this feat?
--- Quote ---
> However, the existence of life outside of Earth has
significant implications for our ultimate end-game and
anti-technologist and anti-Yahwehist principles. This deeply
concerns me.
--- End Quote ---
Indeed.
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 11, 2023, 1:19 pm
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NASA reveals UFO sightings in Middle East in first ever public
meeting on UFO and UAP sightings
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> NASA reveals UFO sightings in Middle East in first ever public
meeting on UFO and UAP sightings | Various of first public
meeting by nasa study team helping pentagon track UFOs and UAPs.
> #nasa #ufo #uap #dailymail
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZPfgrmQ4Q
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 12, 2023, 11:46 pm
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Why all the UFO talk?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEFTBbZ1b1M
Comment:
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> Distraction. That's why.
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So many seem to feel it's all a distraction from something...?
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: guest98
Date: June 13, 2023, 2:15 pm
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Distraction from what?
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 13, 2023, 2:49 pm
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--- Quote from: m94r link ---
>
> Distraction from what?
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I'm not sure either, but I'm beginning to think it's all just an
attempt to keep the masses interested in space, and thus also
eventually support attempts at colonizing space...
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: June 19, 2023, 9:36 pm
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I watched Grusch's interview released by NewsNation on June
11th. It seems like it was a 1 hour mash up of interviews
released with him the prior week and maybe some new material? Or
maybe it's just a re-release of the previous week's material? I
wasn't entirely clear.
After watching it, it seems like a psyops is definitely on the
table.
In his interview with NewsNation on June 5th or 6th (shown in
the June 11th recap) Grusch said he did not personally see the
UFOs he's claiming exist--it seems his claims come from talking
to various individuals who disclosed to him that they were
involved in UFO/UAP programs, Grusch's examination of some
photos and reports, and things he was briefed on. When he pushed
to be able to investigate the secret programs he was being told
about personally, he was faced with "pushback". It sounds like
his whistleblowing is based on the people who had shut him down
once he tried to investigate.
He was also careful to specify he thinks the "craft" are created
by "non-human intelligence", rather than extraterrestrials. In
other words, recent phenomena could be a human-made AI and he
wouldn't necessarily be lying. It seems like the main "evidence"
he pointed to is that the "craft" allegedly made of "advanced
materials" with atypical radiological signatures. Humans have
always been inventing new materials, so that doesn't seem like
convincing evidence on its own.
He also said football-field size craft have been observed. I
forget if he said whether his source for that was exclusively
interviews, or if he directly analyzed footage. ...Astronomers
and the vast network of private satellites haven't seen anything
"weird" like that before..? Hmm...
Multiple times he claims there is a "cold war" over the recovery
and reverse engineering of the alleged technology. There is
already an arms race for human-made AI and advanced tech, so
this cold war would exist even without aliens.
"Credible" former government officials have been used in various
programs in the past to conduct disinfo campaigns to the public
(most notably to stir up the Iraq war), so I wouldn't be
surprised if Grusch was as well. Articles and discussion
comments keep stressing his personal "credibility", rather than
the credibility of his supposed evidence. Seems fishy.
Perhaps we can sigh a brief relief (until Grusch's alleged
evidence gets revealed). Nevertheless, the human-made AI crisis
and the crisis of human space colonization is real and will soon
curse our world. We will soon be those aliens unless something
is changed.
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Here's another possibility. This is the "best" case scenario I
guess. Just a bunch of claims that got blown out of proportion,
spread around until people believed them, and the truth got so
confused that there needed to be a "task force" to investigate
it.
--- Quote ---
> My fear is Grusch and all of the known UFO names over the last
5-6 years are all just quoting each other.
>
> Grusch may have government folks who told him everything he
said to congress…what if those sources are Mellon and Elizondo.
>
> What if Mellon and Elizondo’s sources are military folks with
extraordinary claims. What if those folks with extraordinary
claims use Mellon and Elizondo as the people who view their
claims as credible when speaking to people like Kean and
Coulhart.
>
> What if Mellon and Elizondo have confirmation bias because
reputable news sources say they have witness that have
government officials who can back up their claims.
>
> What if Grusch trusts his sources as credible because of their
track record of being credible…
>
> Etc. Etc.
>
> My point is…it concerns me there’s like a group of 10 people
who are mostly confirming and validating themselves based on
reports from other people of things they’ve said.
>
> Purely a devil’s advocate POV but that concerns me about DG.
>
> Edit: let’s say Lazar tells Lear there’s 12 crafts…then Lear
goes on this interview and says there’s 12 crafts…then Knapp
says, I’ve got two corroborating witnesses that say there’s 12
crafts…then Kean interviews someone who’s says I know from 2
sources we have 12 crafts….then someone says, WOW…Lazar and Lear
were right because a reputable journalist corroborated there
were 12 crafts, they were right all along! Then someone from
within the government says, I know this seems outlandish but
there might actually be something to this. Then someone who’s
tasked with investigating asks the people within the government
who believe the reports they’re hearing are true but can’t back
it up says…I know these reports sound crazy but I’ve spoken with
high level government officials who believe this is true.
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14d1z01/john_lear_corroborates_12_to_15_recovered_alien/jonvlb7/
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Although in all honestly, the risk assessment here is so grave
that I think we should assume the worst until proven otherwise.
Assuming all the claims are false but subsequently being proven
wrong is too grave a situation to allow ourselves to be in. Even
the "best" case scenario means the world's militaries and
corporations are on the brink of creating sentient AI, and that
human-led space colonization efforts will likely become a
reality within our lifetimes.
We are rapidly approaching Judgment Day from the Terminator
series, and we must reassess our priorities accordingly.
#Post#: 20516--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: June 19, 2023, 9:39 pm
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More theoretical bad news. How long would it take the colonize
the Milky Way galaxy?
By some calculations, it could take as little as 500,000 years
for probes to spread throughout the entire galaxy... This
wouldn't necessarily mean advanced life could colonize the
galaxy within this time span, but the probes would likely be
sentient machines, or could carry simple biological life to
"seed" planets.
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> The concept of self-replicating spacecraft, as envisioned by
mathematician John von Neumann, has been described by futurists
including physicist Michio Kaku and discussed across a wide
breadth of hard science fiction novels and stories.
Self-replicating probes are sometimes referred to as von Neumann
probes. Self-replicating spacecraft would in some ways either
mimic or echo the features of living organisms or viruses.[1]
>
> Von Neumann proved that the most effective way of performing
large-scale mining operations such as mining an entire moon or
asteroid belt would be by self-replicating spacecraft, taking
advantage of their exponential growth.[2] In theory, a
self-replicating spacecraft could be sent to a neighbouring
planetary system, where it would seek out raw materials
(extracted from asteroids, moons, gas giants, etc.) to create
replicas of itself. These replicas would then be sent out to
other planetary systems. The original "parent" probe could then
pursue its primary purpose within the star system. This mission
varies widely depending on the variant of self-replicating
starship proposed.
>
> Given this pattern, and its similarity to the reproduction
patterns of bacteria, it has been pointed out that von Neumann
machines might be considered a form of life. In his short story
"Lungfish" (see Self-replicating machines in fiction), David
Brin touches on this idea, pointing out that self-replicating
machines launched by different species might actually compete
with one another (in a Darwinistic fashion) for raw material, or
even have conflicting missions. Given enough variety of
"species" they might even form a type of ecology, or – should
they also have a form of artificial intelligence – a society.
They may even mutate with untold thousands of "generations".
>
> The first quantitative engineering analysis of such a
spacecraft was published in 1980 by Robert Freitas,[2] in which
the non-replicating Project Daedalus design was modified to
include all subsystems necessary for self-replication. The
design's strategy was to use the probe to deliver a "seed"
factory with a mass of about 443 tons to a distant site, have
the seed factory produce many copies of itself there to increase
its total manufacturing capacity over a 500-year period, and
then use the resulting automated industrial complex to construct
more probes with a single seed factory on board each.
>
> It has been theorized[3] that a self-replicating starship
utilizing relatively conventional theoretical methods of
interstellar travel (i.e., no exotic faster-than-light
propulsion, and speeds limited to an "average cruising speed" of
0.1c.) could spread throughout a galaxy the size of the Milky
Way in as little as half a million years.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft
The Milky Way galaxy is at least 10 billion years old. If life
exists in the galaxy, it would only take sentient probes around
0.0005 billion to spread throughout the entire thing... At least
20,000 periods of 500,000 years have elapsed in our galaxy. We
have 100 billion (200,000 more periods) until we are "safe" from
inter-galactic colonization.
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> The oldest stars in the Milky Way are 13.4 billion years, give
or take 800 million years. This is somewhat close to what the
age of the Universe is (which hovers around 13.7 billion years).
By measuring the age of these stars, and then calculating the
interval between their formation and the death of the previous
generation of stars, we can come to an approximate age of the
Milky Way as 13.6 billion years.
> [...]
> The age of the Milky Way is a tricky question to answer,
though, because we can say that the oldest stars are 13.4
billion years old but the galaxy as we know it today still had
to form out of globular clusters and dwarf elliptical galaxies
in an elegant gravitational dance. If you want to define the age
of the Milky Way as the formation of the galactic disk, our
galaxy would be much younger. The galactic disk is not thought
to have formed until about 10 – 12 billion years ago.
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HTML https://www.universetoday.com/21822/age-of-the-milky-way/
More realistically, however, Earth is likely being probed
specifically because it is deemed "habitable"--assuming
biological alien life follows the same general bio-chemical
mechanisms of Earth life. Therefore, self-replicating machines
may not yet have spread throughout the entire universe.
The way human astronomers identify "habitable" planets is
through various characteristics like the chemical signatures for
water, size, composition, location, etc. Assuming alien life
uses the same organic compounds in their bio-chemistry as Earth
life, Earth would fit the criteria for a planet to examine
closely.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhabitable_planet
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_analog
The closest "habitable" planet is Teegarden's Star b, which also
has the highest "Earth Similarity Index" thus far known. It is
12.5 light years away.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teegarden%27s_Star_b
It seems one of the fastest space probes created by humans in
the Voyager 1, which reached a speed of 0.00006 of the speed of
light.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(speed)
This means it would take 208,333 years for a craft travelling at
that speed to travel between Teegarden's Star b and Earth
(assuming it was going that speed the whole time--in reality it
would need to accelerate up to that point).
Assuming the probes are real, they could have come from a planet
farther away, but also could have travelled faster than Voyager
1. The vast time it takes for inter-planetary travel also means
the alien civilization has unfathomably more advanced technology
than when it first sent the probes. ...Or maybe they went
extinct.
(More bad news--even if we aren't being probed by aliens, we
could soon become the aliens doing the probing):
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> Identifying ‘habitable worlds’ is a top priority for
astronomers in the decade ahead
>
> Over the next decade, scientists aim to unlock the secrets of
the universe and identify Earth-like planets outside of our
solar system to find other habitable worlds. Ultimately, this
research could reveal if we truly are alone.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/04/world/astro2020-decadal-report-habitable-planets-scn/index.html
If there is alien life out there, how many civilizations are we
dealing with? It seems it is impossible to estimate.
--- Quote ---
> The theories and principles in the Drake equation are closely
related to the Fermi paradox.[29] The equation was formulated by
Frank Drake in 1961 in an attempt to find a systematic means to
evaluate the numerous probabilities involved in the existence of
alien life.
> [...]
> The Drake equation has been used by both optimists and
pessimists, with wildly differing results. The first scientific
meeting on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI),
which had 10 attendees including Frank Drake and Carl Sagan,
speculated that the number of civilizations was roughly between
1,000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy.[31]
Conversely, Frank Tipler and John D. Barrow used pessimistic
numbers and speculated that the average number of civilizations
in a galaxy is much less than one.[32] Almost all arguments
involving the Drake equation suffer from the overconfidence
effect, a common error of probabilistic reasoning about
low-probability events, by guessing specific numbers for
likelihoods of events whose mechanism is not yet understood,
such as the likelihood of abiogenesis on an Earth-like planet,
with current likelihood estimates varying over many hundreds of
orders of magnitude. An analysis that takes into account some of
the uncertainty associated with this lack of understanding has
been carried out by Anders Sandberg, Eric Drexler and Toby
Ord,[33] and suggests "a substantial ex ante probability of
there being no other intelligent life in our observable
universe".
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Drake_equation
...Some theoretical good news for inter-galactic ahimsa? Of
course, those probes could go rogue by "evolving" to no longer
obey their mission, inadvertently spread life, or inadvertently
serve as a catalyst for another civilization to develop advanced
technology in defense (or through reverse engineering a captured
probe).
--- Quote ---
> The berserker hypothesis, also known as the deadly probes
scenario, is the idea that humans have not yet detected
intelligent alien life in the universe because it has been
systematically destroyed by a series of lethal Von Neumann
probes.[1][2] The hypothesis is named after the Berserker series
of novels (1963-2005) written by Fred Saberhagen.[1]
> [...]
> In his 1983 paper "The Great Silence", astronomer David Brin
summarized the frightening implications of the berserker
hypothesis: it is entirely compatible with all the facts and
logic of the Fermi paradox, but would mean that there exists no
intelligent life left to be discovered. In the worst-case
scenario, humanity has already alerted others to its existence,
and is next in line to be destroyed.[4]
> [...]
> There is no reliable or reproducible evidence that aliens have
visited Earth.[5][6] No transmissions or evidence of intelligent
extraterrestrial life have been observed anywhere other than
Earth in the Universe. This runs counter to the knowledge that
the Universe is filled with a very large number of planets, some
of which likely hold the conditions hospitable for life. Life
typically expands until it fills all available niches.[7] These
contradictory facts form the basis for the Fermi paradox, of
which the berserker hypothesis is one proposed solution.
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_hypothesis
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: June 19, 2023, 9:47 pm
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--- Quote ---
> How do westerners and their sycophants plan on getting an ever
increasingly powerful AI (especially if it's designing it's own
microchips) to go along with the "democracy is the greatest form
of government ever invented" lie?
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Well, the mastermind inventors behind AI basically think they
are gods, and the CEOs of rich tech companies already buy
politicians to implement their desires. So neither of them care
about the democracy.
As for average people, from what I've seen in "futurology"
discussions, transhumanists think AI is the next step in
evolution, and they are ready for humanity to be left in the
dust. So I guess they are technocrats who don't care about the
low-tech masses. Outside of AI discussions, average Western tech
junkies seem to think they will be space conquistadors or rule
over Mars fiefdoms for being "early adopters" who are supportive
of the megalomaniac CEOs. So I doubt they are too worried about
democracy either.
Potential aliens aside, the dangers on Earth are heating up as
multiple ignoble factions come ever closer to a decisive moment
ending democracy.
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: June 19, 2023, 11:11 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Distraction from what?
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I'm not entirely sure either, but if all futurist and high-tech
discourse is focused on the evidence or lack of evidence
surrounding these UFOs, this directs the discourse away from
other topics. Such evidence might not ever be shown to normal
people, due to being "classified"--and thus the
distraction/debate can be prolonged endlessly.
Whether it is specifically the intended purpose or not, these
alien debates are taking away from energy and eyes that should
be used to discuss the _ethics_ of the impending human-made AI
crisis. While people are too busy discussing aliens for years
(which is an incredibly important topic we should take
seriously, which is why I have made these posts about it), AI
development will continue to occur in the background. Until one
day, boom. It's here and the Pandora's box cannot be closed.
Instead, if the millions of people who are currently excited or
having their world fall apart from the potential existence of
aliens were focused on discourse about the impending existence
of AI and how that will upend human life as we know it, there is
the potential that AI development could be halted or severely
restricted. At the very least, it would become too controversial
for it to go full-steam-ahead with no oversight.
Aliens sending some investigatory probes will be nothing
compared to living in a human-made Earth where our economic
systems completely collapse from AI, the climate crisis renders
vast stretches of the Earth uninhabitable, and then most of the
populace are enslaved by Boston Dynamics Terminators.
Techno-accelerationists want to open the box as quickly as
possible to prevent any possibility that someone could stand in
their way. This includes private companies and the US
military/government as well. With all these spectacular claims
of aliens, the public might not find it controversial if the
government decides to dedicate a large budget to "investigating"
(or, worse, reverse engineering) things. In reality, this could
be used as a cover for dedicating a large budget to develop the
final push for technology that should never be invented in the
first place. And as I speculated, they might already have AI and
are trying to make some damage-control narrative about how it
got here!
The alien discussions also make it more difficult for us to
argue against space colonization if "the masses" reach a
"consensus" that its already happening from other species. (This
tactic is called "poisoning the well" in regular debates and
"manufacturing consent" in the context of politics). Again, note
that the dominant framing of discourse right now hinges on
evidence (which may never appear), while our side of the debate
focuses on ethics or even metaphysical and spiritual subjects.
Everything about this is pushing people to investigate/debate
the wrong topics from the wrong framing.
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Re: Ex-defense official on new details of UFO encounters soon to
public
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: June 20, 2023, 5:01 pm
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> these alien debates are taking away from energy and eyes that
should be used to discuss the _ethics_ of the impending
human-made AI crisis.
--- End Quote ---
The EU seems to be ahead of most on this subject:
EU lawmakers pass landmark artificial intelligence regulation
--- Quote ---
> The European Union’s AI Act is the first comprehensive set of
regulations for the artificial intelligence industry.
> The law proposes requiring generative AI systems, such as
ChatGPT, to be reviewed before commercial release. It also seeks
to ban real-time facial recognition.
> It comes as global regulators are racing to get a handle on
the technology and limit some of the risks to society, including
job security and political integrity.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> The European Parliament has approved the bloc’s landmark rules
for artificial intelligence, known as the EU AI Act, clearing a
major hurdle for the first formal regulation of AI in the West
to become law.
>
> AI has become a key battleground in the global tech industry
as companies compete for a leading role in developing the
technology — particularly generative AI, which can generate new
content from user prompts. The rules are the first comprehensive
regulations for AI.
>
> What generative AI is capable of, from producing music lyrics
to generating code, has wowed academics, businesspeople and even
school students. But it has also led to worries around job
displacement, misinformation, and bias.
>
> During a critical Wednesday vote, the Parliament adopted the
AI Act with 499 votes in favor, 28 against and 93 abstentions.
The regulation is far from becoming law, but it is likely to be
one of the first formal rules for the technology globally.
>
> European Parliament members agreed to bring generative AI
tools like ChatGPT under greater restrictions. Generative AI
developers will be required to submit their systems for review
before releasing them commercially.
>
> The Parliament also decided to hold firm with a ban on
real-time biometric identification systems, as well as
controversial “social scoring” systems.
>
> Human rights campaigners had expressed concern over an attempt
by the European People’s Party to water down the ban. Lawmakers
nevertheless pressed ahead with it and agreed to prohibit
biometric surveillance from all public settings...
--- End Quote ---
Entire article:
HTML https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/14/eu-lawmakers-pass-landmark-artificial-intelligence-regulation.html
Makes me wonder, if there was actually an accurate and
incorruptible\truthful "social scoring system" in place in the
West how would "whites" score? How would Trump supporters score?
Then there's also this that came through my news feed today:
The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical
study suggests
--- Quote ---
> New research looking at the cosmological constant problem
suggests the expansion of the universe could be an illusion.
--- End Quote ---
Entire article:
HTML https://www.livescience.com/physics-mathematics/dark-energy/the-expansion-of-the-universe-could-be-a-mirage-new-theoretical-study-suggests
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