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       #Post#: 4203--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Duncang
       Date: December 21, 2019, 9:44 am
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       FT, dreadful!
       #Post#: 4204--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Jim Garbutt
       Date: December 21, 2019, 9:53 am
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       Not really sure what to think now. Over half way, played
       everybody and we are going backwards rather than progressing. No
       coach it seems on a Saturday. It is hard to see next steps,
       maybe its the cash factor and clubs at this level have more of
       it than us now - I don;t know, but it is very tough at the
       moment with teams generally beating us very comfortably.
       #Post#: 4205--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: supporter
       Date: December 21, 2019, 10:07 am
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       Utterly depressing. Sale were one of the worst clubs I saw last
       season and we beat them easily earlier this season. I don’t
       think there’s a solution. Perhaps change in coaching and get A
       few DRs in. However I fear we’re beyond that.
       #Post#: 4206--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Steve Bott
       Date: December 21, 2019, 3:34 pm
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       I have to agree with supporter. I have only seen a handful of
       games this season, if I'm being honest when there are other
       options on the table on a Saturday I find it hard to drum up the
       enthusiasm to turn them down for 2hrs watching the team in such
       a downhill spiral. I know some will say that it's times like
       this when the team needs supporters to get behind them, but it's
       not like it's a cheap option these days and I feel that there
       are now many like myself, that if there's nothing else to do
       then they will still go and watch the games, but if it's at the
       expense of another pastime then maybe not. It's very sad to see
       the team that we all loved seeing in the Premiership (even when
       getting tanked), and purred over in the Championship play-offs
       and the regular pushing at the top end. And now, I really don't
       see anything other than yet another relegation. I don't blame
       the owners, they have put their money where most of us don't,
       but we just can't compete any more  :'(
       #Post#: 4207--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Kev Briscoe
       Date: December 22, 2019, 2:20 am
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       Excellent post from Steve Bott unfortunately I was with him
       today to witness yet another embarrassing defeat!
       I think we are wasting our time to discuss the ‘why’s’ and
       ‘wherefores’ about what has happened to our club. The harsh
       truth is that we have been punching well above our weight for
       the last 25 years.
       Despite many people’s best efforts we have been unable build on
       our on field success off the field. A stable coaching structure
       as been beyond us as has player retention.  Our position of
       being a ‘shop window’ club was a double edged sword.  Allowing
       us to attract some fantastic young talent only to see it poached
       by other more financial secure clubs. Our woeful facilities
       becoming more apparent as we visit other clubs who have never
       reached our heights.
       I can’t see how 4th tier Rugby can be now avoided with the
       subsequent loss in revenue. Very sad times in deed....
       #Post#: 4210--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: At the back
       Date: December 22, 2019, 4:41 am
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       These players have the ability and their previous clubs justify
       it . You only need to look back to last season and you can see
       how we did . What ever the reason it is that Posa has gone we
       need to rebuild the confidence levels because they have been
       drained , We do need a replacement coach because of smithy still
       playing which doesn’t help not being around but it worked last
       season .
       Again for what ever the reason is we haven’t started the
       strongest squad but that isn’t the players fault . I saw players
       leaving the pitch yesterday with tears in their eyes of course
       they are frustrated even more than us but we need to stick by
       them and continue to give them the support they desperately need
       at this present time to get out of this rut . Things will change
       but it’s not going to happen over night the damage is already
       done but it’s about how we rebuild for the 2nd half of the
       season .
       We certainly need to play with more urgency because when we did
       we made sale look average which they are we carried the ball
       instead of kicking it away the more phases we went through the
       confidence came back but we got dragged into a mud fight and we
       panicked yesterday the style of play we are playing with these
       players doesn’t work so needs to be changed .
       Maybe a week off will help the players and need heal a few
       niggles
       It’s not over till the fat lady sings and we can still get out
       the poo
       #Post#: 4211--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Jim Garbutt
       Date: December 22, 2019, 5:03 am
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       Very interesting point 'At the back'. It is not over yet as this
       season is all about 4th from bottom now. However it is
       increasingly looking like us or Moseley for that position.
       Consequently we need some points now and we have to prove
       ourselves beyond the 'what could be if we were'... scenarios. We
       have to start winning and it now seems we need a coach to help
       us do that. I wonder who we could get - As I said before. Phone
       call to Bester time.
       #Post#: 4213--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Chris.Garbutt
       Date: December 22, 2019, 5:29 am
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       Some great posts with good perspective. I have been critcal of
       the coaching and that is the nature of sports. As fans who pay
       money to watch our team we have the right to do that however I
       do wish Anthony Posa the best. At the start of the season it
       looked promising but for whatever reason it hasnt worked out. Im
       sure he will find a new club and be succseful as many of our ex
       coaches have been.
       Real shame that result yestersay but it is done now and it is
       now onto next week. I know nobody at the club wants to be in
       this position but we are and something had to give before it was
       too late. Unfortunately I can't see us avoiding relegation now
       but it is possible. Maybe with a new coach will rejuvenate the
       lads, maybe it won't.
       Gutted to hear about the lads being upset but it does show they
       care about the club and the results so there is still passion
       there. We just need to find some form.
       The lads need a break now. Hopefully the new year will bring new
       positive results.
       #Post#: 4231--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: Steve Bott
       Date: December 23, 2019, 8:20 am
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       --- Quote from: Kev Briscoe link ---
       >
       > Excellent post from Steve Bott unfortunately I was with him
       today to witness yet another embarrassing defeat!
       >
       > I think we are wasting our time to discuss the ‘why’s’ and
       ‘wherefores’ about what has happened to our club. The harsh
       truth is that we have been punching well above our weight for
       the last 25 years.
       >
       > Despite many people’s best efforts we have been unable build
       on our on field success off the field. A stable coaching
       structure as been beyond us as has player retention.  Our
       position of being a ‘shop window’ club was a double edged sword.
       Allowing us to attract some fantastic young talent only to see
       it poached by other more financial secure clubs. Our woeful
       facilities becoming more apparent as we visit other clubs who
       have never reached our heights.
       >
       > I can’t see how 4th tier Rugby can be now avoided with the
       subsequent loss in revenue. Very sad times in deed....
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Different Steve Bott  ;D
       #Post#: 4232--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sale away
   DIR By: supporter
       Date: December 23, 2019, 10:13 am
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       Lose against Moseley and its season over.
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