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Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Winger14 Date: November 22, 2025, 3:34 pm
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With Roth leading 19 - 21 and the game going into added on
time, Plymouth were awarded a Pen Kick which was converted to
give them a 22 - 21 lead.
As time was running out Roth thought that they had earned a
chance to win the game, the Referee had awarded them a kickable
Penalty, only for him to change his decision and reverse the
Penalty in favour of Plymouth.
In about the 65th min Isaac Shaw was given a Yellow Card for a
deliberate knock-on. While reduced in numbers Roth finally
conceded a Try + Conversion.
Shortly after this a Plymouth player was adjudged to have made a
deliberate knock-on inside his own 22. This time the Referee
didn't show a Yellow Card but decided that a Penalty was
sufficient punishment ?.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Chris.Garbutt Date: November 22, 2025, 8:02 pm
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Always tough when referee decisions dictate the outcome of the
game but we have to make sure we don't put ourselves in the
position to allow these decisions to have such an impact. Not
knocking the lads whatsoever to clarify just pointing out we
need to be a bit more clinical in these tight games against the
top clubs.
We always knew it would be a tough game and this current batch
of games was going to be difficult to go through unscathed.
Bitter pill to swallow when you outscore a side 3 tries to 1 but
this is the nature of the sport and the lads gave it their all
out there. There are going to be ups and downs in such a
competitive league. Look are RP's result against Sortford, you
wouldn't have predicted that a few weeks ago and Leeds managed
to beat Tonbridge on the road. There are no bad sides in this
league. Every game is crucial to the outcome of the season. I
can't remember the last side that went undefeated in this
league.
We now have a week off to recover and prepare for Rams away. I
think we can pull off 3 wins from 3 in our final games of this
calendar year and put us in a good position for the second half
of the season.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Shedfan Date: November 23, 2025, 3:55 am
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Would like to see the ref assessors report on the game.
For one team to have so many penities which were unclear and
changed the game seems difficult to understand .
Well done Rotherham on a good game, you deserved the win.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Winger14 Date: November 23, 2025, 9:58 am
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For anyone who was at the game, how many Penalties were Roth
awarded. I've read the match report and it doesn't mention
Lloyd having a Pen attempt at goal.
In such a close game I would have expected him to have had at
least a couple of attempts, if within his range, to keep the
score moving on.
When the Plymouth player was penalised in his own 22, did Lloyd
not go for goal or did he go for the Line-Out.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Rothoik Date: November 23, 2025, 11:13 am
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I was at Brickfields, for the latter 60 minutes Roth did not get
a penalty that was kickable. This was despite marching the
Plymouth scrum 5m up the pitch on 3 occasions. On one of those
ocaasions Roth were actually penalised for slipping the binding.
The supporter in the row down from me said " how did we get
penalty"! and the kid next to her said "Who cares"!. I think
that was the key area where the ref influenced the game. But
essentially Roth kicked far too much ball away and not with any
tactical astuteness. Roth edged the lineout (despite fluffing a
dcoupled of their own) and were dominant at scrum time. JB's
kicking was aimless and uncontestable for the most part and
Plymouth went through their phases with good discipline and
accuracy. Whilst Roth were mostly equal to the shar attacking
threat, they were getting pinged a lot at the breakdown (not
always sure for what). so for me, particularly in the second
half JB should have got it out to our backs more, we looked
threatning and we have some great ball carriers. Also Lloyd
could haqve made better tactical kicks for touch or at least
contestable. Roth lost the game rather than Plymouth winning it,
in my opinion. Harvey talks about solving problems on the pitch,
I think we didnt do that against Plymouth, despite having all
the weaponry to win that game.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Rothman2 Date: November 23, 2025, 12:02 pm
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Great feedback Rothoik. I must admit I didn’t hear about
Of course it’s disappointing to lose a game in the last couple
of minutes but if you look back to last season at Clifton Lane,
Roth won with the last kick in a game that in my opinion
Plymouth were desperately unlucky to lose.
I know last season was last season, but what I am saying is that
sometimes “thems the breaks”. The game has gone and we didn’t
leave empty handed when visiting a notoriously difficult place
to get a result. In fact our history with Plymouth home or away
have in the main been very tight affairs, Main exception I
recall being in our halcyon days on the way to the Prem, but
then again we put big scores on most teams back then.
So here we are. After 11 games we have won 9 and lost 2. A 1
point loss at Plymouth is no disgrace…..but in the case of the
other game we lost, you only have to look at their results
since, against teams we have comfortably beaten too.
This game in my opinion where we had 50 points put on us was a
big reason why the rules need changing. To have nearly half a
team who are full time professionals with a Premiership & all
that entails, including a good number of players who have
considerable experience in the first team.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t recall so many professional
players turning out against any other team. Now, as at
Plymouth,the game has gone, but I believe the rules need looking
at, as this inconsistency definitely impacts on integrity of the
league.
Where does that leave us? Well, top of the league that’s for
sure. Now if people are honest I think we would all have taken
this at the start of the season at this stage. We have had key
players out at certain times and still have, and to lose players
of the ilk of Callum & latterly Rob, resulting from
international call ups is difficult. The other players have done
great due to our strength in depth but we will be even stronger
when they are back.
The top of the league is tightening up but what did we expect.
We rue our 2 defeats, but we beat Blackheath and Rosslyn when
quite easily both could have gone the other way. Besides look
what happened to Rosslyn Park yesterday. It’s a great league.
I trust in Harvey and in the process. We are in a great position
so let’s not beat ourselves up.
Hope you have all had a safe journey back from Plymouth and
enjoy the short break.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Chris.Garbutt Date: November 23, 2025, 1:43 pm
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I agree Rothman. We are in a fantastic position and the squad
really are incredible. With Callum Bustin injured we are missing
a serious try scoring / attacking threat. Rob Povey dictates our
attack well and finds breaks, this also allows Lloyd to be more
of a running threat at 13. Lloyd is a guaranteed scorer for us,
I think he averages something like 8.5 points per game. Callum
currently scores something like 1.5 tries per game. This is a
big loss for us and big boots to fill for the other players who
are doing exceptionally well, Callum could have been the
difference had he been available.. Povey is an international
level 10 and Callum in my opinion is the best number 8 in Nat 1
+ The Champ. The squad is keeping the Roth train rolling.
Incredible players that we are lucky to have.
Sounds like the penalty count was very high against Plymouth and
that has cost us, wether it was right or wrong the scoreline was
taken out of our hands so we need to ensure we are in control,
but sometimes things don't go your way and that is the nature of
the game. Plymouth away is a notoriously tough place to go and
not many will get points there, we have taken a point. 4 would
have been amazing but it is what it is.
Harvey is a phenomenal, pioneering and visionary coach we are
extremely lucky to have him here. He has brought a feeling to
the club that hasn't been here for years. I trust him completely
but that doesn't mean we can't discuss on here and vent when
frustrated. The frustration comes from us wanting those lads to
succeed. It is all positive. Harvey has also built an incredible
squad and backroom staff bringing a professional set up to a
semi pro club. We have not had this level of detail in the
coaching since maybe our run up to the Prem? Maybe in the Bester
/ Blackett days. Just look at what Harvey did for Jersey he took
them to winning the champ being the 13th or 14th best side in
the country (can't remember is Irish and Wasps were still around
then).
The lads will know what to do to right any errors on the pitch,
this side is still growing together and we have not hit our
performance peak yet. There is more to come from this squad.
Rams away next, another tough one but I feel a 5 pointer coming
our way. The lads have a bit of time to recover as no game this
weekend so they will be ready to hit back with a vengeance next
game.
Come on Roth.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Rothoik Date: November 23, 2025, 1:55 pm
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At 19-14 down we kicked for territory, catch and drive and
scored to lead 21-19. This was very close to full time. Had we
just continued in that vain, I think we would have secured a
well deserved victory. The first half ended 14-9 and that score
reflected Roths clinical edge and tight defence. I thought just
before the end of the first half we lost our way with the
kicking and that gave them 6 points in penalties. Other than
that, I felt we would kick-on and win comfortably. When the
first scrum of the second half occured and Fozzy had replaced
Valentine, Roth looked in beast mode yet we got pinged. This
staright away put us under the cosh and I think put the wind in
Plymouth's sails. We seemed to hardly have the ball for the
second half so Plymouth were definitely good for their ball
retention and patience through the phases but I think the next
match should see us kick smarter and play with the ball (as good
as our defense was). It was a great match, that said and you
have to take pride in Roth as a team. Plymouth were absolutely
ecstatic with the win and probably a bit in disbelief. I also
think we should be able to overcome Rams, who seem below their
best at present. A 5 pointer would be fantastic!
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Rucko Date: November 23, 2025, 4:12 pm
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I was slightly surprised that after Plymouth’s final penalty,
and we won possession after the kick off that we didn’t try and
manufacture a position to try and win the game with a drop goal.
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Re: Small Margins to Winning or Losing
By: Chris.Garbutt Date: November 24, 2025, 4:31 am
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The drop goal seems to be an underused tactic these days. It was
more common a few years ago.
George Ford is proving it’s worth for England!
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