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need some help
DIR By: josh89
Date: January 20, 2012, 7:29 am
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alright guys this seemed like the most logical place to post
this on here but i was just wondering the best place to learn
how to do professional automotive tuning i.e. engine tunes to
include fuel mapping air ratios etc im just curious because when
i get out of the army i plan to use my gi bill to take a college
course on professional maintenance i am currently a mechanic in
the army so that will help me but i was just curious where i can
get a tuner degree as i love working on vehicles and would love
to make it a career any help is apreciated
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Kaotikkaos
Date: January 23, 2012, 10:49 am
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Hey man thats a good question. I would know of places that do
tunings, but not where they teach/educate..Im sure someone knows
on TiT
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Re: need some help
DIR By: T.Shead
Date: January 23, 2012, 12:25 pm
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I am not quite sure. But I do know that most technical school
wont have it because tuning is not a "needed" skill in the
automotive industry. Think of the factory oem cars vs. modified
cars out there. Now find a school that teaches high performance
and you might have a tuning class.
I'm going to do a little asking around, too. I know some
experienced people. I'll get back to you.
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Rob1796
Date: January 23, 2012, 12:42 pm
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I know of at least one place that offers classes on how to tune
their ECU, but my understanding is A) You have to be a dealer of
their systems, and B) Its is pretty pricey. Are you planning on
doing it has a hobby to tune your own car, or planning on
starting/working for a shop or manufacturer and doing the tuning
for money?
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Re: need some help
DIR By: josh89
Date: January 23, 2012, 3:38 pm
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i was planning on going into it professionally and joining up
with a shop until i could eventually open my own i love working
on cars but my favorite part isnt fixing them but improving upon
the design that was created for them apreciate the help so far
guys ive done some research but all that has really come up is
like lincoln tech and uti but the schools for their nascar is in
like south carolina lol
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Rob1796
Date: January 24, 2012, 1:49 pm
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If I were you, and wanting to go in the direction you are
wanting to go, I would consider calling up some shops and simply
ask what it takes to get in and where they went to learn. From
an outsiders perspective, it seems to be mostly passed down
knowledge or having a ton of cash to get your own business
started up. Off the top of my head, I know ProEFI offers a
class on how to tune using their ECU, and I would assume AEM and
Cobb do as well. However, I'm almost positive that to get
access to any of those classes you have to pay to be a
dealer/tuner of their products and that is not cheap - I looked
into it at a previous job for a company similar to Cobb, and
even for the basic stuff it was a $10k buy in + we had to sell a
certain number of their systems to stay on board.
Speaking of your future education, have you considered using
said GI Bill to go get a degree in mechanical engineering and
then getting into the automotive field at the manufacturer
level?
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Texas8th
Date: January 24, 2012, 3:55 pm
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While having a formal education in tuning/modding will be an
awesome asset, I strongly believe that a good starting point
would be in basic auto technology. I learned more about how an
engine works rather than just how to make it perform better. No
offense to anyone with or without the education side, but you
can't properly modify something to work better until you know
how it's supposed to work in the first place. Most people in our
little tuning world have a basic understanding of how a car
works and what can make it perform a little better. But , do we
all know why it operates how it does? Do we know why our
modifications to the engine, drivetrain, or any other part of a
vehicle make it work better than it did before? Most of the
time, that answer is "Uhhh, because it does". For me, a constant
thirst for wanting to know exactly HOW my car works will help me
to better tune it to suit my needs. Just my thoughts on the
subject. Also remember, there is no substitute for experience,
and you'll never have too much of that.
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Kronis
Date: January 25, 2012, 2:40 am
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What this guy said times eleventy-billion. ^
Getting into a performance shop is no easy task whatsoever. If
any of you follow the SCCA World Challenge series, you might
have seen the new Camaro running a gray/orange color with the
words "Momentum Race Group" along the back fender.
Jordan Musser, who I happened to know through a buddy of mine,
was a champion at Kart racing and is Executive VP on Momentum
Race Group. They offer tuning/kits for certain vehicles.
My point was this, he knows every single piece of a car. What it
does, why it is there, what if it wasn't there, etc. Knowing how
a car works is the only way you can begin to learn to "tap" into
the performance studies. As far as working on a team, head out
to the drag races! If you don't mind working for free, or little
pay. You'll learn A LOT, though. Ask around the pits if they are
looking to hire someone. Again, at this point, you will have a
VERY DETAILED knowledge of how a car as a whole operates.
Another personal story!!!
I used to play Racquetball with a guy who used to build 600-800
cu in race engines. I asked him the same question. Want to know
what he told me?
Knowing WTF your talking about, admitting when your clueless,
and a whole truckload of luck are some of the only ways to get
into the performance-realm. Although, with the right drive, you
can do it. Then he told me to do what he did... Which you
already read up there. TO THE PITS!
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Re: need some help
DIR By: Rob1796
Date: January 25, 2012, 4:28 pm
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Pirate hijack. When/where did you play racquett ball? I used
to play recreationally, I'd like to get back into it...
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Re: need some help
DIR By: T.Shead
Date: January 25, 2012, 11:39 pm
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Working in the pits is good for learning and good fun, it really
is. I take up any chance I get. This also applies to riding
shotgun and just experiencing how different cars drive and
"feeling them". Knowing how to turn an 84hp car into a race
winner is a good sill to have. (84hp car won the last event I
went to). I have a small bit of experience. I was a volunteer on
Rock and Roll Offroad's pit crew for the Night Race 180 like two
years ago. I was a volunteer at the Roxton Rocks and Roxton
Rumbles stage rallies last year. At the rallycross this weekend
I met one of the rally drivers and am now in his phone to call
for a pit crew member for this years Roxton rallies.
For curious minds, 84hp car's winning run:
HTML http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Px-egPlRo&feature=g-u-u&context=G2dbf3b8FUAAAAAAACAA
I was lucky enough to be sitting shotgun in this video. It was
amazing.
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