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#Post#: 219--------------------------------------------------
Echo vs S25
DIR By: DCB
Date: April 25, 2020, 9:44 am
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Anyone ridden both?
Trying to figure out a good two wing quiver leaning towards
lighter winds.
At first was thinking Echo 4 & 6, but it's particularly strange
that Duotone lists the 6m has having the same low end 12 kts as
the 5m. Anyone have any insight, maybe they think it's too big
to pump effectively up onto a sinker board? But then even
stranger they list the 7m as 8-16 kts.
When you look at the wind ranges advertised the S25 of course it
looks much better but I'm sure it uses different criteria. 6m
S25 in 5 mph seems unlikely. Does anyone actually know what has
a better low end, a 6m S25 or 6m Echo?
Seems like people like the Duotones because it's easier to move
hands around, but is the ability to control roll better with the
boom a thing? My understanding is none of the other brands are
using booms because Duotone has patent, or do they just think
they know better? My only reluctance then is Duotone/North has
made some really good kiting products but have also tried too
hard in the past to be unique like cicular foils and 5 line
kites.
Anyone know when the next Fone or Wasp are coming out?
Thanks!!!
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Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: DCB
Date: April 25, 2020, 5:58 pm
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Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: Dspace
Date: April 26, 2020, 7:29 am
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I have the original 4m and 5m Duotone wing and just recently got
the Naish S25 5.3 with the goal of learning to use handles. I
also have 6m and 4m Echo’s on order but have never ridden them
yet. So I can only compare to the V1 Duotones
My feeble opinion; booms are all I’ve ridden since starting
about 6 months ago. You definitely get used to what ever you
started with, and yes the infinite “no-look” hand positioning is
great. Doing the basics with the Naish S25 has been a pretty
easy transition (just riding and jibing). Tacking with the Naish
has been more of a challenge for me in part due to my limited
feel for handle switching and in part due to different flying
behavior of the wings. That “V” shape of the Duotone that makes
it so unstable during lufffing, also makes it roll side-to-side
easily during a tack. The Naish needs more of a push to roll
over. Again maybe just my limited skill level being the reason.
On the other hand the Naish S25 is super stiff, so it pumps
really nice to get you up on the foil, and it has much better
upwind capability compared to the Duotones. Still even with
those advantages I didn’t hesitate to order new Echo’s even
without any real independent reviews out yet. It always comes
down to personal preference. I think the S25 is a great wing,
and I suspect the Echo will be a nice improvement as well....
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Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: DCB
Date: April 27, 2020, 9:57 pm
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Awesome, Thanks Dspace. You sound pretty good and since you
bought the 4 and 6 Echo's I assume you're thinking you'll get
more range than seems to be suggested. I'll buy S25 and see how
it goes.
#Post#: 227--------------------------------------------------
Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: phil
Date: April 30, 2020, 2:31 am
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I can't compare the two but I am really progressing nicely with
my S25's. Yesterday was a great session in 15 mph avg winds.
They need some pumping to start but once foiling, they generate
tons of apparent. I also find them easy to handle and
manipulate.
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Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: Dspace
Date: April 30, 2020, 7:22 am
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--- Quote from: DCB link ---
>
> Awesome, Thanks Dspace. You sound pretty good and since you
bought the 4 and 6 Echo's I assume you're thinking you'll get
more range than seems to be suggested. I'll buy S25 and see how
it goes.
>
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I always felt my 5m and 4m current Duotones were too close in
range. The 4m was/is by far my favorite size, when the wind
conditions were right (lulls not much below 15mph, I’m 78 kg).
I’m hoping that Ken Winner and company improved the larger sizes
with this new version seeing as they offer Echo’s all the way to
7m. Also hoping the the 6 and 4m will have a teeny bit of
overlap. We’ll see.
Here’s a link to a vid of this particular klutzy ole guy (I’m 61
with questionable knees) doing the basics with the original
Duotone. Gunnar has been one of the reasons I started wing
foiling, and kitefoiling for that matter.
Right now I’m struggling with what will be my next foil upgrade.
Such a first world dilemma ;D
HTML https://youtu.be/1Sdg-GJObyI
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Re: Echo vs S25
DIR By: Lolo
Date: June 1, 2020, 3:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Dspace link ---
>
> I have the original 4m and 5m Duotone wing and just recently
got the Naish S25 5.3 with the goal of learning to use handles.
I also have 6m and 4m Echo’s on order but have never ridden them
yet. So I can only compare to the V1 Duotones
>
>
>
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Hi, just wondering How tall you are? Was Also thinking of
getting a 4 and 6 echo. But has I did a try this we with the old
5 m , which was fine, and then chatting with the instructor, he
said for my height 1.70 m it might be a bit uncomfortable
because of the span of the wing ! He also told me the new echo 5
m is more powerful than the old one ....
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