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Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: March 4, 2014, 9:28 pm
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
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> Do you think Putin cares about any of that? He's a hero to
his people right now for bringing Ukraine back to the
motherland, and an even bigger hero for spitting in the face of
the West.
> He needs to justify his twisting the rules to remain in power
for 14+ years and this was the payoff to the Russian people for
not questioning him. Right now Putin can do no wrong.
>
> Unfortunately the Keystone pipeline would be of no help
whatsoever. Keystone will not carry Natural Gas and we have
no means to transport it transocean if it did.
> Crude oil, diesel and gasoline we can help with, but those are
not the issue.
>
> There is a reason TS, that we've done little other than talk
about Russia for 50 years.
> They are rich in oil and gas, basically self-sufficient,
funnel a lot of money into European banks and do not care about
world opinion. Europe needs Russia more than Russia needs
Europe, and Russia does not need the USA at all.
> Again, the options are?
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The answers are simple. For starters, freeze their assets. Hit
them in the pocketbook. Second, they aren't self sufficient.
Their strength is their weakness. We start opening up the oil
market increase fracking, the keystone pipeline etc. We can
lower the price of oil to record lows, Cause some real hardship
in Russia. Putin has already warned the US not to try sanctions
because he states they would backfire. I think cutting off his
funding is one thing he understands.
Why did the Cold War end? Not because we beat the Russians,
they couldn't afford to fight it anymore.
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Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: March 4, 2014, 11:20 pm
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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> We can lower the price of oil to record lows,
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At great expense to the US energy industry and it's
stockholders. They are barely recovering their costs at today's
prices. Fracking is expensive. They would have to operate at a
substantial loss to drive the price of oil/gas down very far.
Not that it couldn't be done, but considering we have no real
interest in the Ukraine, better to keep our powder safe and dry
than to waste it on the insignificant.
I'm curious why we should even get involved with this, TS. I
get the feeling we're not being told the entire story.
The Ukranians themselves are divided on whether the Russians are
invaders or protectors, it was their own leader who asked Putin
to intervene.
I don't think this story is as black and white as it's being
made out to be.
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Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: March 5, 2014, 7:02 am
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
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> At great expense to the US energy industry and it's
stockholders. They are barely recovering their costs at today's
prices. Fracking is expensive. They would have to operate at a
substantial loss to drive the price of oil/gas down very far.
> Not that it couldn't be done, but considering we have no real
interest in the Ukraine, better to keep our powder safe and dry
than to waste it on the insignificant.
>
> I'm curious why we should even get involved with this, TS. I
get the feeling we're not being told the entire story.
> The Ukranians themselves are divided on whether the Russians
are invaders or protectors, it was their own leader who asked
Putin to intervene.
> I don't think this story is as black and white as it's being
made out to be.
>
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If there were minimal money being made from fracking I suspect
it wouldn't be as popular a it is. Fracking isn't the only
source of energy. All you need to do is announce the Keystone
pipeline is approved and that we're increasing our output and
the price of oill will immediately decline.
The Crimea region has been Pro Russia and Eastern Ukraine as
well. So does this give the Soviet Union the right to go in and
occupy a sovereign nation? I don't think so. The attitude of
why get involved in this was prevalent during WWII. I strongly
suspect the Great Russian Bear has awoke from his slumber and is
starting to get hungry. Putin has made no secret that he would
like to see the old Russian Empire restored. I think this is
yet another move, (not his first) to bring that dream to a
reality. How long should we wait before we care. Putin is
using the excuse that the ex-president wanted him to intervene.
How many leaders have been thrown out of their posts since the
"Arab Spring" has swept across the world? Why didn't he
intervene in any of those countries?
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Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: Snickers
Date: March 5, 2014, 9:23 am
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The first thing that should be done is kick Russia out of the G8
The very next thing to do is put the missiles back in Eastern
Europe.
But Obama will never be able to get the European's to kick
Russia out. Because no one will listen to Obama. They all see
him as spineless. And no one trusts or believes Obama.
As for the missiles Obama sold them out and stabbed them in the
back when he removed the missiles for Putin. Obama would have to
beg them to put them back now. He'd have to kiss they're a$$es.
And Obama won't do what is necessary to get those missiles back
there. Because he is such an extreme narcissist. His ego won't
allow him to admit that he made a mistake and was wrong.
Obama.. America's Neville Chamberlain
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Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: March 5, 2014, 11:05 pm
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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> If there were minimal money being made from fracking I suspect
it wouldn't be as popular a it is. Fracking isn't the only
source of energy. All you need to do is announce the Keystone
pipeline is approved and that we're increasing our output and
the price of oill will immediately decline.
>
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US oil production has increased by several magnitudes of
Keystone capacity in the last few years. Prices haven't
dropped. We've literally been drill-baby-drilling, but the
promised price reductions haven't materialized. Instead we're
exporting the stuff at higher prices.
Might see a couple-day long drop if Keystone is approved, but no
more.
Fracking has been sort of a love/hate thing for energy
companies. They love the fact it's expanded their inventory, but
hate the way it's driven the price of Natural Gas down to
near-unprofitable levels. Drive prices down much further and
they'll simply cut back production. They're scrambling to find
ways to export the stuff to push prices back up.
Absolutely correct on putting the Russian empire back together.
That is exactly Putin's goal and the Russian people appear to
want it. He's not going to wuss out over a couple of piddling
sanctions or exclusion from G8. He'll probably go tit-for-tat,
making Europe suffer accordingly and he has the tools to do so.
Putting missile defense systems in Eastern Europe back on the
table might be a workable bargaining chip.
Outside that our options are basically military or military.
How many American lives and trillions of American dollars is
this worth to us?
#Post#: 12288--------------------------------------------------
Re: Limp wristed obama is the cause
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: March 5, 2014, 11:15 pm
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You are right Snickers that Europe isn't going to do anything.
We have diminished influence in Europe, you may recall they
mostly couldn't stand Bush over there....and today they do not
trust Obama. Meanwhile the Russians do big business with
European banks and Europe is heavily dependent on Russia for
winter heating fuel. Even a short disruption during wintertime
will cause casualties. They aren't going to risk it over
something they see as not affecting them.
I came across this while reading. Thought you'd enjoy it ;)
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