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#Post#: 12054--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: wmd102
Date: February 27, 2014, 6:27 pm
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> Are you also trying to say that having health care is a right,
as you distinguish it from the privilege of owning a car?
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For the record, I do not now nor have I considered healthcare a
right! That being said, it matters not because I am not the drug
using POS POTUS that seems to think otherwise! HE seems to think
that right is so important that he is feels justified in taxing
the $%#+ out of me to "ensure"this right even when I don't.
#Post#: 12058--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: February 27, 2014, 7:05 pm
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--- Quote from: ecsmith2 link ---
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> Yes, it is the same.
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> If you don't want to buy health care insurance, don't have any
health that needs care, or don't have any health off of your
private property! It is a simple concept!
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> I understand it perfectly well, thank you!
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> You guys explain it, but it is always the same, you all miss
the point you have to have the insurance if you have the thing.
The point you keep making, and seem to not understand it
yourself, is that having a care is a choice and having health is
not. What I don't understand when you guys try to make this
point is how does something being a choice or not have any
affect on whether you have it or not?
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> ;D
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> Yes, owning a car and driving on public roadways is a choice.
But if you make that choice you have a car that requires
insurance.
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> Yes, you have no choice to have health, if you are alive, so
you have it and now the law requires you have insurance.
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> Sure does sound like the same thing to me.
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You really do seem to go out of your way to appear moronic.
Unlike health insurance, liability insurance on your vehicle
isn't mandated to cover damages to you or your property, it's to
cover potential damage or harm to others. Only those most
clueless wouldn't be capable of grasping that simple concept.
#Post#: 12060--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: ecsmith2
Date: February 27, 2014, 7:27 pm
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--- Quote from: wmd102 link ---
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> For the record, I do not now nor have I considered healthcare
a right! That being said, it matters not because I am not the
drug using POS POTUS that seems to think otherwise! HE seems to
think that right is so important that he is feels justified in
taxing the $%#+ out of me to "ensure"this right even when I
don't.
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The mandate to have insurance had nothing to do with making
health care a "right". It was the simple conservative principle
of changing the regulation on insurance companies and not
allowing them to deny anyone coverage for pre-existing
conditions, or any other reason. And to do that, you can't let
the policyholders pick and choose when to have insurance. So
everyone needs to have insurance all the time. you can let them
change policies, but they need to have one to be fair to the
insurance companies.
#Post#: 12070--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: udontnojack
Date: February 27, 2014, 9:42 pm
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I find it hypocritical that the same people who claim that
requiring people to have Ids to vote and that they may cost
money as an infringement to a right have no problem requiring us
to pay to have health insurance. But then these hypocrites are
inconsistant in their thinking.
#Post#: 12071--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: February 27, 2014, 9:50 pm
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> I find it hypocritical that the same people who claim that
requiring people to have Ids to vote and that they may cost
money as an infringement to a right have no problem requiring us
to pay to have health insurance. But then these hypocrites are
inconsistant in their thinking.
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On that same line, those that think having an id for voting is a
hindrance to the poor somehow don't bat an eye at charging
several hundred dollars for a gun license.
#Post#: 12073--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: February 28, 2014, 12:52 am
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> Remind me again, how many millions were killed in Iraq?
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> Right now we know close to 7 million have lost their
insurance.
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The two are comparable? Seriously? C'mon TS. 4.487 Americans
killed, 23,332 wounded and over $1 Trillion spent to accomplish
that. If 4 dead Americans in Benghazi is a horrific disaster,
what on earth would you call this?
If we were to ask these folks which they'd prefer; to either
lose their health insurance and have to shop the exchange for a
crappy yet expensive plan, or be blown up in Iraq, I can
probably guess which they'll consider less harmful.
#Post#: 12074--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: February 28, 2014, 1:15 am
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--- Quote from: ecsmith2 link ---
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> It is always interesting about how the high deductibles get
mentioned. You do understand there is a cap for the annual out
of pocket expense that an individual or family has to pay for
health care expenses out of pocket. I don't see how that is
going to increase the number of medical bankruptcies that had
bee occurring prior to the PPACA.
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The out of pocket is never lower than the deductible and some of
these plans have a $12,700 deductible.
In fact there is a perverse incentive for low income folks to
purchase the cheapest plan with the highest deductible as any
tax credit they do not spend on premiums is refundable.
That $12.7K is roughly the entire annual income of a full time
(30 hour 9 dollar) employee at our Nation's largest employer-
Wal Mart. Think they'll come up with the cash? Or will we
still be paying for uncompensated care?
Previously they might've at least qualified for Hill-Burton,
Community Care or several other programs for the indigent.
Since they now have "insurance", they don't.
#Post#: 12077--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: February 28, 2014, 6:56 am
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
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> The two are comparable? Seriously? C'mon TS. 4.487
Americans killed, 23,332 wounded and over $1 Trillion spent to
accomplish that. If 4 dead Americans in Benghazi is a
horrific disaster, what on earth would you call this?
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> If we were to ask these folks which they'd prefer; to either
lose their health insurance and have to shop the exchange for a
crappy yet expensive plan, or be blown up in Iraq, I can
probably guess which they'll consider less harmful.
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My original point what this,
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> The amount of Americans harmed by the lies of this
administration far surpasses the lies spread by any previous
administration.
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Not which were harmed more or which were preferable. In some of
these cases however, some of the same folks are being harmed by
being in Iraq, Obamacare and the incompetence of the VA and
their cutbacks I stand by my statement.
#Post#: 12098--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: ecsmith2
Date: February 28, 2014, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
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> The two are comparable? Seriously? C'mon TS. 4.487
Americans killed, 23,332 wounded and over $1 Trillion spent to
accomplish that. If 4 dead Americans in Benghazi is a
horrific disaster, what on earth would you call this?
>
> If we were to ask these folks which they'd prefer; to either
lose their health insurance and have to shop the exchange for a
crappy yet expensive plan, or be blown up in Iraq, I can
probably guess which they'll consider less harmful.
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I would agree with your posting here, and add that shopping the
exchange for a crappy yet expensive plan is only because they
lost their inexpensive and crappier plan.
#Post#: 12099--------------------------------------------------
Re: GOP change to Obamacare would cost 1 million more workers
their insurance.
DIR By: ecsmith2
Date: February 28, 2014, 1:37 pm
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--- Quote from: udontnojack link ---
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> I find it hypocritical that the same people who claim that
requiring people to have Ids to vote and that they may cost
money as an infringement to a right have no problem requiring us
to pay to have health insurance. But then these hypocrites are
inconsistant in their thinking.
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Yes, poll taxes, even ones hidden as just the cost of getting an
unnecessary ID to vote are usually found to be unconstitutional.
I know of one state that with give you an ID to vote at no
cost, if you don't have any of the others they will accept that
would cost money to obtain. That is the way it should be.
Any one saying I have said that having an ID to vote is a
hindrance is wrong. I have said that needing to spend excessive
time and money to get the ID is a hindrance.
Large fees by the government to obtain a gun for personal
possession can be a hindrance. That one is subjective and could
be an interesting discussion, if anyone could stay on that
topic.
As for everyone having to buy health insurance as part of the
regulation of insurance companies not being able to deny
coverage, that concept is sound as was original put forward by
the Heritage Foundation. While they no longer support it
publicly, they have never said there is anything wrong with that
policy.
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