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#Post#: 21005--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 20, 2015, 10:39 pm
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1507.msg21004#msg21004
date=1442776632]
do you think erring on the side of caution was wrong?
[/quote]
Erring on the side of caution would be evacuating the school.
They didn't.
Like the pop tart gun, they knew from the beginning there was no
threat, but they still treated the kids involved as though there
were.
Authoritarians never let an opportunity for overreaction pass,
do they.
[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1507.msg21004#msg21004
date=1442776632]
In this day of school shootings, bombings and other mayhem going
on in a school
[/quote]
People need to get a grip. Not every kid with a pop tart or
alarm clock wants you dead. You aren't going to die of Ebola,
bird flu or killer bees, Isis isn't hiding behind the nearest
dumpster and your chances of being in a school attack of any
sort is 1 in 141,463, or 0.0001%.
In fact if you avoid stupid people in stupid places doing
stupid things, your chances of being a victim of any sort can
safely be rounded to near-zero.
The culture of fear we live in is beyond stupid. And
intentional. Now no more questions, the government is here to
protect you from pop tarts, clocks and anything else they deem
threatening. ;)
**you may be required to forfeit certain rights.
Incidentally the Pop Tart kid got rewarded for his "misbehavior"
with a $550 lifetime NRA membership. Anyone want to complain?
[quote] And as far as your claim of the boy explaining what it
was according to the police the only thing he would say was that
it was a clock. not quite what you claim[/quote]
Lol. What else is he supposed to say it is? "a clock" pretty
much covers it. They can ask the question as many times as they
want, the answer is still "a clock".
[quote]By the way do you think this boy and his family will be
required to go thru a security check when they meet the
president? If so why?[/quote]
Of course. Everyone does. He's bringing his super-threatening
"clock" too, lol. I guess the secret service knows a clock when
they see one.
[quote]That the person who was the student happened to be dark
skinned well was that the reason or coincidence.[/quote]
Take it for what you will, but remember the Mayor of Irving has
been stoking the flames of Islamophobia for a while now. Did
it rub off here? I dunno.
#Post#: 21006--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 20, 2015, 11:20 pm
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[quote author=Jeepers link=topic=1507.msg21001#msg21001
date=1442737163]
I think the pop tart incident was a typical innocent kid
thing...
[/quote]
It wasn't even a thing. The kid chewed it into the shape of a
mountain, matching what he'd drawn earlier that day, then
decided it looked more like a gun and said "bang bang".
That was enough for the pantswetters to freak out and kick off
the hysterics.
What are they going to do when someone notices the state of
Florida is shaped a lot like a Colt 1911? Active threat in
Geography class! :o
#Post#: 21007--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: p2_d Date: September 21, 2015, 6:45 am
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"Erring on the side of caution would be evacuating the school.
They didn't."
WRONG they determined it was not a bomb. The problem was the
student carrying a suspicious item would not explain to the
police why he had this strange looking clock. MAYBE had the
student explained his intentions instead of refusing to expand
on why he had it other than to say it was a clock and what its
purpose was. Students have to understand why zero tolerance
policies are in place. It would seem of this student aspires to
attend an Ivy League schoolhe would know a one word answer would
not be sufficient and maybe a little explanation < as the police
were asking for would have alleviated the situation instead of
exacerbating it.
"People need to get a grip. Not every kid with a pop tart or
alarm clock wants you dead."
Schools have implemented zero tolerance policies. There is no
discretion. Seems the teacher was following the rules. Saying
the teacher overreacted, as many have seem not to understand
zero tolerance policies and how they work.
"Of course. Everyone does. He's bringing his super-threatening
"clock" too, lol. I guess the secret service knows a clock when
they see one"
So then if in a few weeks I go on a tour of the White House
carrying a similar item the Secret Service will not question me
and when giving a similar answer will hand it back to me and let
me go on the tour. If you for one second believe that I have a
bridge to sell you. And unless you can tell me why not the you
are just being hypocritical, something I see a lot in stories
like this.
"Lol. What else is he supposed to say it is? "a clock" pretty
much covers it."
Actually it does not, again an explanation of why you are
carrying this electronic device in school is a reasonable
question. One this student failed to answer. They were trying to
determine if this was intended to be used in a threatening way.
I realize some may have a hard time understanding why a bunch of
wires and circuits would be considered threatening, sorry they
are STUPID.
#Post#: 21010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 21, 2015, 7:38 pm
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[quote] maybe a little explanation < as the police were asking
for would have alleviated the situation instead of exacerbating
it. [/quote]
Meh.
In Texas minors are not allowed to be questioned by police
without a parent, lawyer or other adult representative present.
That's state law.
Perhaps the kid was afraid of saying the wrong thing out of
nervousness as often happens. Had the PD followed their own
laws, they may have found the answers they were looking for
through an adult the kid trusted.
I found this article on the subject and thought it was
interesting.
HTML http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/09/16/texas-boy-arrested-because-of-zero-tolerance-policies-not-islamophobia/
[quote]Breitbart Texas reports on the school-to-prison pipeline
and the often devastating outcomes of these choking zero
tolerance policies that criminalize typical kid behavior
nationwide.
Just days ago, officials in Maryland charged a 13-year-old boy
with assault for stealing a kiss from a 14-year-old girl.
For example, officials charged a Kaufman high school senior with
“minor consumption” of a unopened can of beer in June.
Apparently, he drove the family truck to school and mom forgot
to remove the cooler left in the back of the vehicle. Barred
from his high school graduation, the teen was ordered to attend
a Disciplinary Alternative Education Program (DAEP), even though
school ended and college was in his future. Zero tolerance also
resulted in a Texas nine-year-old’s suspension over a Lord of
the Rings “magic ring.” In April, Breitbart Texas reported on a
Dallas-area boy suspended for bullying after acting in
self-defense.[/quote]
In an attempt to "protect" kids, we're turning them into
criminals for doing harmless things that kids have always done.
Like I said, the adults here need to take a deep breath and stop
the hysterics. They are doing far more harm than good.
Texas has already started the process, rolling back some of it's
"zero tolerance" policies and in some districts eliminating them
completely....exactly because of stupid incidents like this.
#Post#: 21012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: trollslayer Date: September 22, 2015, 6:27 am
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I think I've heard it all now. Maybe we can use this as a
countdown clock to the end of his term.
#Post#: 21015--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: Mr.steve Date: September 22, 2015, 9:32 am
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Should get first place and a phone call with an invite......
RIGHT?!?!
#Post#: 21029--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: p2_d Date: September 22, 2015, 9:03 pm
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Rapids you might want to recheck your statement about Texas law
and Police questioning minors. From what I read, a minor MAY
HAVE a parent or guardian present, not MUST HAVE as you have
claimed several times here.
I do agree that no tolerance laws seem at times absurd but
having had friends who teach I understand why they are in place.
Maybe the president should override his no tolerance rule with
regards to searching WH visitors when the boy and his family
come.
#Post#: 21036--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 22, 2015, 9:57 pm
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Section 52.025 of the Texas Family Code:
"A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing
office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child's parent,
guardian, or other custodian or by the child's attorney."
"entitled" does make it optional until a request is actually
made. After that it becomes mandatory.
The kid states he made repeated requests for a parent and was
denied by the PD.
Instead they searched his possessions and his person and began
questioning.
(according to the ACLU, PD is not commenting)
[quote]I do agree that no tolerance laws seem at times absurd
but having had friends who teach I understand why they are in
place. Maybe the president should override his no tolerance
rule with regards to searching WH visitors when the boy and his
family come.[/quote]
My mother taught most recently in the Milwaukee district, so I
get the general concerns. Problem is they tie everyone's hands
when the student's actions are clearly not intended to cause
harm or be threatening.
Why would the president waive searches? Conducting uniform
searches at the entrance to a school would not violate anyone's
rights either. Punishing those who pose no threat does.
#Post#: 21050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: p2_d Date: September 24, 2015, 6:19 am
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"Why would the president waive searches?"
Because he believes this child, his family and the electronic
device they is carrying pose no threat.
"Conducting uniform searches at the entrance to a school would
not violate anyone's rights either."
That is exactly what zero tolerance policies do also.
" Punishing those who pose no threat does."
Forcing me to almost strip to get on an airplane when I pose
ZERO THREAT punishing me and every other person like me.
#Post#: 21061--------------------------------------------------
Re: Suspended student to go to White House?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 25, 2015, 12:19 am
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1507.msg21050#msg21050
date=1443093580]
Forcing me to almost strip to get on an airplane when I pose
ZERO THREAT punishing me and every other person like me.
[/quote]
Well... welcome to the United States of Authoritarianism, where
you like all citizens pose a threat until the government decides
you do not.
When Uncle Fed tells you to "jump". you must reply with "how
high". Any other questioning will not be tolerated. There is
zero tolerance for dissent with TSB.
If we start this crap early enough in the schools, the adults
will just be used to it, no?
Land of the Free and Home of....yeah, it was nice while it
lasted.
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