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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: rapids_60 Date: September 12, 2015, 1:55 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1498.msg20911#msg20911
date=1442074548]
It is inevitable. It is going to happen. Sooner or later. We
will be taking military action against Iran. Either a strikes
to take out their nuke facilities. Or full out war in
retaliation for a strike from them.
[/quote]
I've been hearing that since 1979. Meanwhile it's Iran who is
helping us to wipe out ISIS in the region. Not as a favor to
us, but because our goal is the same.
If you isolate Iran and put economic screws to the people, it's
a certainty the extremists will get their way and Israel and the
US will suffer. That is exactly the environment that fosters
extremism and terrorism.
If you allow them to join all the other civilized nations,
blusterous rhetoric aside, it's likely they will behave as a
civilized nation. (much as they did prior to 1953...when Iran
and Israel were allies)
They aren't idiots Snicks. They know one missile launch and the
US and/or Israel can turn them back into a glass parking lot in
less than an hour.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: Snickers Date: September 12, 2015, 2:53 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1498.msg20913#msg20913
date=1442084115]
I've been hearing that since 1979. Meanwhile it's Iran who is
helping us to wipe out ISIS in the region. Not as a favor to
us, but because our goal is the same.
If you isolate Iran and put economic screws to the people, it's
a certainty the extremists will get their way and Israel and the
US will suffer. That is exactly the environment that fosters
extremism and terrorism.
If you allow them to join all the other civilized nations,
blusterous rhetoric aside, it's likely they will behave as a
civilized nation. (much as they did prior to 1953...when Iran
and Israel were allies)
They aren't idiots Snicks. They know one missile launch and the
US and/or Israel can turn them back into a glass parking lot in
less than an hour.
[/quote]
" join all the other civilized nations" Iran is not never and
never will be a civilized
nation. They are radical extremists. Animals. Only after
completely exterminating those radical extremists could that
even be considered a possibility.
And yes they are idiots. they don't care if they are wiped out
while trying to do the same to us. They are insane.
#Post#: 20916--------------------------------------------------
Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: trollslayer Date: September 12, 2015, 3:41 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1498.msg20912#msg20912
date=1442083642]
I don't know how you verify anything without knowing the full
details of the agreement.
[/quote]
You don't need to know everything about a car before you know
it's not worth it. Sometimes you can just look at a house and
know it's not worth the entire asking price.
We're going to be handing over nearly $150 billion to Iran and
there are many in the Obama administration, (Kerry for one) that
freely admit that some of this money is likely to be spent on
terrorism. You don't have a problem with that?
[quote]Deals with untrustworthy nations? We do it all the time.
China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, the entire Iraq government thing,
Greece, Turkey.... many of them we also give weapons to.
[/quote]
We haven't negotiated nuclear deals with them, virtually
guaranteeing they get a bomb and ballistic missiles in a certain
timeframe. This isn't just "any deal". How many countries out
there have vowed to eliminate the existence of one of our
allies?
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: rapids_60 Date: September 12, 2015, 6:09 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1498.msg20916#msg20916
date=1442090483]
You don't need to know everything about a car before you know
it's not worth it.
[/quote]
Well Israel, "ground zero" doesn't have a big problem with the
agreement. Republicans predictably do. Same as they have with
Every. Single. Thing. Obama has proposed.
Gosh, I can't see the difference there either, lol.
Self preservation (Israel) Vs. Politics (Republicans). That's
pretty much all anyone needs to know.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: trollslayer Date: September 12, 2015, 6:18 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1498.msg20924#msg20924
date=1442099398]
Well Israel, "ground zero" doesn't have a big problem with the
agreement. Republicans predictably do. Same as they have with
Every. Single. Thing. Obama has proposed.
Gosh, I can't see the difference there either, lol.
Self preservation (Israel) Vs. Politics (Republicans). That's
pretty much all anyone needs to know.
[/quote]
Ahh, but they do
HTML http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.675213
Israel won't be around in 25 years according to Iran.
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/middleeast/iran-khamenei-israel-will-not-exist-25-years/
Israeli leaders (yes that is plural) condemn the deal, Saudi
Arabia condemns the deal and there's more.......
HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-blasts-iran-deal-as-dark-day-in-history/2015/07/14/feba23ae-0018-403f-82f3-3cd54e87a23b_story.html
It looks to me like there are people at Ground zero who have a
problem with this.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: rapids_60 Date: September 12, 2015, 6:24 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1498.msg20915#msg20915
date=1442087587]
" join all the other civilized nations" Iran is not never and
never will be a civilized
nation.
[/quote]
Prior to 1953 Iran had a thriving Jewish population, the Iranian
people were first in the area to grant Women's rights, to make
higher education available and were beginning to embrace
freedom and Capitalism. Their leaders were democratically
elected.
Guess who ruined that?
For the most part the Iranian people do not support their
totalitarian government. Isolating and impoverishing them does
not further our goals or theirs. It only gives them a common
enemy...the US and Israel. That's who they blame for their
oppression and squalor.
If the Iranian people knew we would be 100% behind them, they'd
toss their government. Problem is we've become their enemy, not
their ally. Digging in even further won't accomplish anything
useful.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: rapids_60 Date: September 12, 2015, 6:28 pm
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Yes Trolly, Netanyahu doesn't like the agreement, nor do his
allies. They want war with Iran. His own security agency
along with current and former military leaders disagree with
him.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: Snickers Date: September 12, 2015, 6:43 pm
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And what did Obama do when an uprising was started a few years
back. NOTHING. He refused to even acknowledge it.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: Snickers Date: September 12, 2015, 6:46 pm
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All Obama and the Democrats are doing is forcing America to go
to war with Iran with Israel in the future.
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Re: Russia has moved into Syria
By: trollslayer Date: September 12, 2015, 6:55 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1498.msg20928#msg20928
date=1442100535]
Yes Trolly, Netanyahu doesn't like the agreement, nor do his
allies. They want war with Iran. His own security agency
along with current and former military leaders disagree with
him.
[/quote]
This is yet another talking point from the Obama administration.
You're either for the agreement or you want war. I hate to say
this but that is nothing but a strawman. :)
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