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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: trollslayer Date: September 2, 2015, 8:02 pm
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[quote]This convo goes back to when you discounted the number of
people killed by police as insignificant. [/quote] Straw man
much?
[quote]Not what I said. I said some might not be justifiable.
[/quote]
I know that's what you said. Have anything to back that up or
is this "scaremongering"? ;)
[quote]
For my opinion to be wrong, there would have to be NO police
officers committing wrongful shootings. Every single one would
have to be cleared as justifiable. [/quote]
I never said your opinion was "wrong". I only used that line
for Arkansas kid just because it would make him wet his pants
every time he saw it.
Gee, 54 cops convicted of murder over the last decade compared
with how many cops out there and compared with how may officer
involved shootings. Perhaps you could breaks that down to what
minor percentage of 1%. Then maybe you could compare that to,
for example how many blacks have been convicted of murder or
shootings over the last decade. I think both you and I know
what percentage would be higher.
#Post#: 20686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 8:02 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20683#msg20683
date=1441241422]
This picture reminds me of those who think, gee the killing of
cops has decreased, they have it so much better. But civilians
OTOH, there are more of them dying, we need to do something
about it!
[/quote]
Yeah, the priorities are backwards there. It's gotta be tough
for liberals to admit the shooting was the fault of a gay, black
man who felt discriminated against. That's their key
constituency. Has to be the gun.
The second part of your statement- well- anytime an agent of the
state kills a citizen, it better be a big deal and if it's
unjustifiable the shooter better be punished.
Rule of law is what separates us from Russia, China, Cuba and
other commie police states. When those laws aren't enforced
against agents of the government, the US as we know it is over
with.
#Post#: 20687--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 8:21 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20685#msg20685
date=1441242127]
Straw man much?
[/quote]
Here's what you said in the Two Killed on Live TV Thread:
Great post. You also look at the amount of police shootings
compared to the amount of officers out there and you'll find the
percentage is miniscule.
Miniscule and Insignificant both mean too small to bother with.
[quote]
I never said your opinion was "wrong". I only used that line
for Arkansas kid just because it would make him wet his pants
every time he saw it.
[/quote]
Lol. Carry on, Totally worth it. :)
[quote]
Gee, 54 cops convicted of murder over the last decade compared
with how many cops out there and compared with how may officer
involved shootings.
Then maybe you could compare that to, for example how many
blacks have been convicted of murder or shootings over the last
decade. I think both you and I know what percentage would be
higher.
[/quote]
Oh, no doubt....It's a very small number.
Apples:Oranges comparison though, one group is paid to enforce
the law while the other is likely shooting someone while
breaking it.
I suspect* the real police shooting stats are worse than the 54
convictions might indicate, the justice system does not work the
same way for police officers as it does for poor, inner city
blacks. Even so it's a very small number.
* opinion. No data provided.
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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: trollslayer Date: September 2, 2015, 8:22 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1484.msg20686#msg20686
date=1441242157]
The second part of your statement- well- anytime an agent of the
state kills a citizen, it better be a big deal and if it's
unjustifiable the shooter better be punished.
[/quote]
Unfortunately, this isn't always the case. Police shootings are
thoroughly investigated. As we have seen more than once this
year, if it appears the shooting is unjustified charges ensue.
Events in Baltimore today have shown this to be the case.
The killing of innocents by drones however isn't. Instead the
rules are changed. If you happen to be a male, of a certain
age, and you're killed by a drone, you're automatically
considered an enemy combatant, just for being in the wrong place
at the wrong time. It's too bad that more energy is expended
investigating an officer involved shooting than a drone attack.
#Post#: 20689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 8:28 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20688#msg20688
date=1441243365]
Unfortunately, this isn't always the case. Police shootings are
thoroughly investigated. As we have seen more than once this
year, if it appears the shooting is unjustified charges ensue.
Events in Baltimore today have shown this to be the case.
[/quote]
Well....I'm not sure being investigated by your own peers and
department counts as "thorough". Maybe so, or maybe blue covers
for blue. It isn't as though cops haven't been caught
Testilying (tm) in court.
OTOH some of these investigations have been political witch
hunts. I'd really prefer they were done by disinterested third
parties to avoid either situation.
[quote]
It's too bad that more energy is expended investigating an
officer involved shooting than a drone attack.
[/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree. That practice is unconstitutional,
illegal and immoral.
Obama should be on TV calling for heads to roll ...oh wait.
#Post#: 20690--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: trollslayer Date: September 2, 2015, 8:46 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1484.msg20689#msg20689
date=1441243703]
Well....I'm not sure being investigated by your own peers and
department counts as "thorough". Maybe so, or maybe blue covers
for blue. It isn't as though cops haven't been caught
Testilying (tm) in court.
[/quote]
Sorry, more often than not, these investigations are being
farmed out to other agencies to avoid a conflict of interest. A
recent officer involved shooting in Wausau is proof of that.
This is rapidly becoming a moot point.
#Post#: 20692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Sheila Date: September 2, 2015, 9:46 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20643#msg20643
date=1441205922]
The level of violence has decreased? I guess you haven't been
paying attention. Do you know how many cops have been killed
this month alone? Are you aware that homicides and violence are
dramatically increasing with Milwaukee leading the way?
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0
[/quote]
HTML http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/are-more-police-getting-killed-a-look-at-officer-deaths/ar-AAdTIIb?ocid=mailsignout
#Post#: 20694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 11:53 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20690#msg20690
date=1441244788]
A recent officer involved shooting in Wausau is proof of that.
This is rapidly becoming a moot point.
[/quote]
It isn't because they suddenly believe in transparency Trolly,
lol. It's now required by state law, thanks to Micheal Bell's
father. A Wisconsin agency can no longer investigate it's own
officers. Has to be done by an outside agency.
This is the only state with such a requirement.
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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 3, 2015, 12:00 am
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[quote author=Sheila link=topic=1484.msg20692#msg20692
date=1441248410]
HTML http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/are-more-police-getting-killed-a-look-at-officer-deaths/ar-AAdTIIb?ocid=mailsignout
[/quote]
Fact is your trash collector is three times more likely to be
killed on the job (33 per 100,000) than your local policeman (11
per 100,000)
According to the BLS, the following are also more likely than
LE to be killed at work, in order of increasing danger:
Mechanics, maintenance workers, bartenders, taxi drivers,
construction workers, electricians, farmers, miners, roofers,
pilots, fisherman, loggers.
I guess logger is what you really don't want to be. 9X the
fatality rate of LE.
Maybe that's who we should be giving the surplus armored
personnel carriers to, lol.
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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: 2fat Date: September 3, 2015, 9:05 am
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