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#Post#: 20631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Sheila Date: September 2, 2015, 6:45 am
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20585#msg20585
date=1441040181]
#blacklivesmatter yelling this over the weekend at a march in
our Minnesota over the weekend.
Aside from color and the missing sheets, I really can't see the
difference between these people and the KKK.
HTML http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/08/30/black-lives-matter-chant-called-disgusting-by-police-leader/
[/quote]
To answer your question: No, not really. It would be helpful for
people to know the history of their country in this matter. And
then to realize, although the surface circumstances appear
vaguely similar to the late '60's and early 70's...the level of
violence is much decreased. And now, it is also the
family/friends of the victims asking to not continue the
violence. That didn't happen decades ago...when there were a lot
more killings of officers and non-officers.
#Post#: 20636--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: wmd102 Date: September 2, 2015, 7:41 am
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[quote author=Sheila link=topic=1484.msg20631#msg20631
date=1441194343]
To answer your question: No, not really. It would be helpful for
people to know the history of their country in this matter. And
then to realize, although the surface circumstances appear
vaguely similar to the late '60's and early 70's...
[/quote]
History? It sounds like some people have no concept of math, it
is the year 2015! 35 years since the end of 70's and to some it
just like yesterday and it is longer than those 2 decades
combined!
The most important lesson to learn from the past is that you can
not live in it!
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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Sheila Date: September 2, 2015, 8:14 am
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[quote author=wmd102 link=topic=1484.msg20636#msg20636
date=1441197706]
History? It sounds like some people have no concept of math, it
is the year 2015! 35 years since the end of 70's and to some it
just like yesterday and it is longer than those 2 decades
combined!
The most important lesson to learn from the past is that you can
not live in it!
[/quote]
Wrong. It's not about living in it. Rather, learning from it.
The news hype would rather you forget everything regarding
progress made since the PD chaos of an earlier time and have you
just get riled up. Which seems to be working well on you.
#Post#: 20643--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: trollslayer Date: September 2, 2015, 9:58 am
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[quote author=Sheila link=topic=1484.msg20631#msg20631
date=1441194343]
To answer your question: No, not really. It would be helpful for
people to know the history of their country in this matter. And
then to realize, although the surface circumstances appear
vaguely similar to the late '60's and early 70's...the level of
violence is much decreased. And now, it is also the
family/friends of the victims asking to not continue the
violence. That didn't happen decades ago...when there were a lot
more killings of officers and non-officers.
[/quote]
The level of violence has decreased? I guess you haven't been
paying attention. Do you know how many cops have been killed
this month alone? Are you aware that homicides and violence are
dramatically increasing with Milwaukee leading the way?
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0
#Post#: 20648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Snickers Date: September 2, 2015, 10:38 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1484.msg20620#msg20620
date=1441167555]
That has been the unwritten goal of most "gun control" laws,
although it's never given as an official reason.
The fact that the majority of gun violence happens in poor,
black communities is a difficult problem to address, so they try
to address it with laws that technically affect everyone
equally, yet in practice do not.
Permits, licensing, taxes, background checks, etc have the same
oppressive effects on legal gun ownership by minority groups as
they do for voting. Problem "legal means" isn't the only supply
path.
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Gun laws have nothing to do with nor have never had anything to
do with race.
Criminal records and mental health are the restrictions.
Blacks have the very same legal rights to own firearms and
whites.
Voting restrictions?? Like having an photo ID? Using that
excuse as a unfair restriction is line of liberal BS.
#Post#: 20649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Snickers Date: September 2, 2015, 10:41 am
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[quote author=Sheila link=topic=1484.msg20631#msg20631
date=1441194343]
To answer your question: No, not really. It would be helpful for
people to know the history of their country in this matter. And
then to realize, although the surface circumstances appear
vaguely similar to the late '60's and early 70's...the level of
violence is much decreased. And now, it is also the
family/friends of the victims asking to not continue the
violence. That didn't happen decades ago...when there were a lot
more killings of officers and non-officers.
[/quote]
There is NO excuse for yelling hate chants like "Pigs in a
blanket. Fry them like bacon" NONE
They should be arrested for making threats. "Free speech" has it
limits. You can not threaten people.
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Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: Sheila Date: September 2, 2015, 11:06 am
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20643#msg20643
date=1441205922]
The level of violence has decreased? I guess you haven't been
paying attention. Do you know how many cops have been killed
this month alone? Are you aware that homicides and violence are
dramatically increasing with Milwaukee leading the way?
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0
[/quote]
You're now sliding the focus of the topic to include "all"
violence, rather than the one you have begun in this thread.
You tell me, how many cops have been killed in this month alone.
And then, add up this year's total. And then, go and review the
numbers in that particular five-six years of history to which I
was referring.
#Post#: 20662--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: trollslayer Date: September 2, 2015, 2:03 pm
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[quote author=Sheila link=topic=1484.msg20652#msg20652
date=1441209970]
You're now sliding the focus of the topic to include "all"
violence, rather than the one you have begun in this thread.
You tell me, how many cops have been killed in this month alone.
And then, add up this year's total. And then, go and review the
numbers in that particular five-six years of history to which I
was referring.
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You were extremely nonspecific in your posting. Now you want to
slide the focus yourself. You did mention " family/friends of
the victims asking to not continue the violence." in the post I
replied to. It's quite easy to walk away from that statement
thinking all violence since it's not the police relatives making
that statement but victims of many killings.
Police deaths in August...14. If the killings continue at this
pace the numbers will equal or eclipse the numbers from the
years you listed. Already one dead in September and it's only
the second.
To somehow come out and assume cops have it better today than
they did in the '60's and '70's simply because not as many are
being killed is failing to look at the whole picture.
#Post#: 20667--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 3:14 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20630#msg20630
date=1441194129]
Like hospitals, cancer centers.....
[/quote]
Yeah, and Soros has spent millions on charities that promote
Conservation and the Environment, Gender Equality, Human Rights,
Poverty, Clean Water....
But he's still the bogeyman I guess.
Soros spends just a fraction of the Koch brothers on Politics,
BTW:
Political Action Committee Spending (1989 to 2010)
Koch Industries: $5,938,993 (83 percent going to Republicans)
Soros Fund Management: $0
527 Group Contributions (2001 to 2010)
Koch Industries: $574,998
$186,598 – Democratic Governors Association
$150,000 – Republican State Leadership Committee
$103,400 – Republican Governors Association
Soros Fund Management: $0
Lobbying Expenditures (1998 to 2010)
Koch Industries: $50,972,700
Soros Fund Management: $860,000
Open Society Policy Center (Soros-Funded): $11,930,000
#Post#: 20668--------------------------------------------------
Re: Isn't this like yelling fire in a crowded theater?
By: rapids_60 Date: September 2, 2015, 3:26 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1484.msg20643#msg20643
date=1441205922]
The level of violence has decreased? I guess you haven't been
paying attention. Do you know how many cops have been killed
this month alone?
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Take a long term view Trolly.
Numbers are up over last year and the anti-gun media is having
a field day with it, but we're still lower than most any year
before 2014. 2014 was an exceptionally non-violent year for some
reason.
This year isn't breaking any records for cop deaths either, 26
officers killed in the line of duty this year, slightly behind
the pace of last year.
If things continue at this rate, we'll have fewer than 40 at
years end. (Vs. 51 for 2014)
The only number that's increasing are the number of citizens
killed by cops. Those numbers have been rising every year since
2000....We're currently at a 20-year high (provided you trust
FBI statistics)
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