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#Post#: 20532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: Snickers Date: August 27, 2015, 8:13 pm
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1482.msg20528#msg20528
date=1440697388]
Rapids an addendum
I am spending more time now (due to work) in Chicago so that may
frame why so many of my responses use Chicago..... anyways a few
weeks ago there was a shooting (again on the south side) the
suspect was fleeing in a car, the police siting safety dropped
off the pursuit and the alleged shooter continued to race away
ran over a mother and her baby in a stroller. WHO GOT THE BLAME
The police are being sued by the victims family. Why is a
shooter not being held accountable for his actions by this
family instead the police? Should every time a suspect runs they
let them go with out pursuit or use of their weapons? If thats
the case guess what people are going to do
[/quote]
How much money can they get from the city?
How much money can they get from the thug driver?
It isn't about justice. It is about personal greed.
#Post#: 20534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 27, 2015, 10:25 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1482.msg20526#msg20526
date=1440695612]
In almost every incidents where the black activists and liberal
media have gone after the police. The shootings were more then
justified.
[/quote]
Brown appears justified, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, not so
much. Garner was unnecessary. There's a mixed bag for sure.
Seems other countries can subdue drug addicts and the mentally
ill without shooting them, why can't we? Heck, even here we
manage to control these same populations every day in the
prisons and institutions, no guns needed. When it comes to LE
we confuse "justifiable" with "necessary" and never ask if the
cops had less lethal options at their disposal.
#Post#: 20535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 27, 2015, 10:39 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1482.msg20532#msg20532
date=1440724382]
How much money can they get from the city?
How much money can they get from the thug driver?
It isn't about justice. It is about personal greed.
[/quote]
There 'ya go. SOP to sue the party with the deepest pockets.
The driver likely has nothing to take.
#Post#: 20537--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: Mr.steve Date: August 27, 2015, 10:44 pm
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What non-lethal method can be used? Here are 283 names of those
lost lives from a non-lethal weapon.
According to Amnesty International, between 2001 and 2008, 351
people in the United States died after being shocked by police
Tasers. Our blog has documented another 283 taser-related deaths
in the United States in 2009-2014. That means there have been
634 documented taser-related deaths in America.
Jan 9, 2009: Derrick Jones, 17, Black, Martinsville, Virginia
Jan 11, 2009: Rodolfo Lepe, 31, Hispanic, Bakersfield,
California
Jan 22, 2009: Roger Redden, 52, Caucasian, Soddy Daisy,
Tennessee-
Feb 2, 2009: Garrett Jones, 45, Caucasian, Stockton, California
Feb 11, 2009: Richard Lua, 28, Hispanic, San Jose, California
Feb 13, 2009: Rudolph Byrd, 37, Black, Thomasville, Georgia
Feb 13, 2009: Michael Jones, 43, Black, Iberia, Louisiana
Feb 14, 2009: Chenard Kierre Winfield, 32, Black, Los Angeles,
California
Feb 28, 2009: Robert Lee Welch, 40, Caucasian, Conroe, Texas
Mar 22, 2009: Brett Elder, 15, Caucasian, Bay City, Michigan
Mar 26, 2009: Marcus D. Moore, 40, Black, Freeport, Illinois
Apr 1, 2009: John J. Meier Jr., 48, Caucasian, Tamarac, Florida
Apr 6, 2009: Ricardo Varela, 41, Hispanic, Fresno, California
Apr 10, 2009: Robert Mitchell, 16, Black, Detroit, Michigan
Apr 13, 2009: Craig Prescott, 38, Black, Modesto, California
Apr 16, 2009: Gary A. Decker, 50, Black, Tuscon, Arizona
Apr 18, 2009: Michael Jacobs Jr., 24, Black, Fort Worth, Texas
Apr 30, 2009: Kevin LaDay, 35, Black, Lumberton, Texas
May 4, 2009: Gilbert Tafoya, 53, Caucasian, Holbrook, Arizona
May 17, 2009: Jamaal Valentine, 27, Black, La Marque, Texas
May 23, 2009: Gregory Rold, 37, Black, Salem, Oregon
Jun 9, 2009: Brian Cardall, 32, Caucasian, Hurricane, Utah
Jun 13, 2009: Dwight Madison, 48, Black, Bel Air, Maryland
Jun 20, 2009 Derrek Kairney, 36, Caucasian, South Windsor,
Connecticut
Jun 30, 2009, Shawn Iinuma, 37, Asian, Fontana, California
Jul 2, 2009, Rory McKenzie, 25, Black, Bakersfield, California
Jul 20, 2009, Charles Torrence, 35, Caucasian, Simi Valley,
California
Jul 30, 2009, Johnathan Michael Nelson, 27, Caucasian, Riverside
County, California
Aug 9, 2009, Terrace Clifton Smith, 52, Black, Moreno Valley,
California
Aug 12, 2009, Ernest Ridlehuber, 53, Race: Unknown, Greenville,
South Carolina
Aug 14, 2009, Hakim Jackson, 31, Black, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania
Aug 18, 2009, Ronald Eugene Cobbs, 38, Black, Greensboro, North
Carolina
Aug 20, 2009, Francisco Sesate, 36, Hispanic, Mesa, Arizona
Aug 22, 2009, T.J. Nance, 37, Race: Unknown, Arizona City,
Arizona
Aug 26, 2009, Miguel Molina, 27, Hispanic, Los Angeles,
California
Aug 27, 2009, Manuel Dante Dent, 27, Hispanic, Modesto,
California
Sep 3, 2009, Shane Ledbetter, 38, Caucasian, Aurora, Colorado
Sep 16, 2009, Alton Warren Ham, 45, Caucasian, Modesto,
California
Sep 19, 2009, Yuceff W. Young II, 21, Black, Brooklyn, Ohio
Sep 21, 2009, Richard Battistata, 44, Hispanic, Laredo, Texas
Sep 28, 2009, Derrick Humbert, 38, Black, Bradenton, Florida
Oct 2, 2009, Rickey Massey, 38, Black, Panama City, Florida
Oct 12, 2009, Christopher John Belknap, 36, Race: Unknown,
Ukiah, California
Oct 16, 2009, Frank Cleo Sutphin, 19, Caucasian, San Bernadino,
California
Oct 27, 2009, Jeffrey Woodward, 33, Caucasian, Gallatin,
Tennessee
Nov 13, 2009, Herman George Knabe, 58, Caucasian, Corpus
Christi, Texas
Nov 14, 2009, Darryl Bain, 43, Black, Coram, New York
Nov 16, 2009, Matthew Bolick, 30, Caucasian, East Grand Rapids,
Michigan
Nov 19, 2009, Jesus Gillard, 61, Black, Bloomfield Hills,
Michigan
Nov 21, 2009, Ronald Petruney, 49, Caucasian, Washington,
Pennsylvania
Nov 27, 2009, Eddie Buckner, 53, Caucasian, Chattanooga,
Tennessee
Dec 11, 2009, Andrew Grande, 33, Caucasian, Oak County, Florida
Dec 11, 2009, Hatchel Pate Adams III, 36, Black, Hampton,
Virginia
Dec 11, 2009, Paul Martin Martinez, 36, Hispanic, Roseville,
California
Dec 13, 2009, Douglas Boucher, 39, Caucasian, Mason, Ohio
Dec 14, 2009, Linda Hicks, 62, Black, Toledo, Ohio
Dec 19, 2009, Preston Bussey III, 41, Black, Rockledge, Florida
Dec 20, 2009, Michael Hawkins, 39, Caucasian, Springfield,
Missouri
Dec 30, 2009, Stephen Palmer, 47, Race: Unknown, Stamford,
Connecticut
Jan 6, 2010, Delano Smith, 21, Black, Elkhart, Indiana
Jan 17, 2010, William Bumbrey III, 36, Black, Arlington,
Virginia
Jan 20, 2010, Kelly Brinson, 45, Black, Cincinnati, Ohio
Jan 27, 2010, Joe Spruill, Jr., Black, Goldsboro, North Carolina
Jan 28, 2010, Patrick Burns, 50, Caucasian, Sangamon County,
Illinois
Jan 28, 2010, Daniel Mingo, 25, Black, Mobile, Alabama
Feb 4, 2010, Mark Morse, 36, Caucasian, Phoenix, Arizona
Mar 4, 2010, Roberto Olivo, 33, Hispanic, Tulare, California
Mar 5, 2010, Christopher Wright, 48, Black, Seattle, Washington
Mar 10, 2010, Jaesun Ingles, 31, Black, Midlothian, Illinois
Mar 10, 2010, James Healy Jr., 44, Race: Unknown, Rhinebeck, New
York
Mar 20, 2010, Albert Valencia, 31, Hispanic, Downey, California
Apr 10, 2010, Daniel Joseph Barga, 24, Caucasian, Cornelius,
Oregon
Apr 30, 2010, Adil Jouamai, 32, Moroccan, Arlington, Virginia
May 9, 2010, Audreacus Davis, 29, Black, Atlanta, Georgia
May 14, 2010, Sukeba Olawunmi, 39, Black, Atlanta, Georgia
May 24, 2010, Efrain Carrion, 35, Hispanic, Middletown,
Connecticut
May 27, 2010, Carl Johnson, 48, Caucasian, Baltimore, Maryland
May 29, 2010, Jose Martinez, 53, Hispanic, Waukegan, Illinois
May 31, 2010, Anastasio Hernández Rojas, 42, Hispanic, San
Ysidro, California
Jun 8, 2010, Terrelle Houston, 22, Black, Hempstead, Texas
Jun 12, 2010, Curtis Robinson, 34, Black, Albuquerque, New
Mexico
Jun 13, 2010, William Owens, 17, Black, Homewood, Alabama
Jun 14, 2010, Jose Alfredo Jimenez, 42, Hispanic, Harris County,
Texas
Jun 15, 2010, Michael White, 47, Black, Vallejo, California
Jun 22, 2010, Daniel Sylvester, 35, Caucasian, Crescent City,
California
July 5, 2010, Damon Falls, 31, Black, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
July 5, 2010, Edmund Gutierrez, 22, Hispanic, Imperial,
California
July 8, 2010, Phyllis Owens, 87, Caucasian, Clackamas County,
Oregon
July 9, 2010, Marvin Booker, 56, Black, Denver, Colorado
July 12, 2010, Anibal Rosario-Rodriguez, 61, Hispanic, New
Britain, Connecticut
July 15, 2010, Jerome Gill, Race: Unknown, Chicago, Illinois
July 18, 2010, Edward Stephenson, 46, Caucasian, Leavenworth,
Kansas
July 23, 2010, Jermaine Williams, 30, Black, Cleveland,
Mississippi
Aug 1, 2010, Dennis Sandras, 49, Caucasian, Houma, Louisiana
Aug 9, 2010, Andrew Torres, 39, Hispanic, Greenville, South
Carolina
Aug 18, 2010, Martin Harrison, 50, Caucasian, Dublin, California
Aug 19, 2010, Adam Disalvo, 30, Caucasian, Daytona Beach,
Florida
Aug 20, 2010, Stanley Jackson, 31, Black, Washtenaw County,
Michigan
Aug 24, 2010, Michael Ford, 50, Black, Livonia, Michigan
Aug 25, 2010, Eduardo Hernandez-Lopez, 21, Hispanic, Las Vegas,
Nevada
Aug 31, 2010, King Hoover, 27, Black, Spanaway, Washington
Sep 4, 2010, Adam Colliers, 25, Caucasian, Gold Bar, Washington
Sep 10, 2010, Larry Rubio, 20, Caucasian, Leemore, California
Sep 12, 2010, Freddie Lockett, 30, Black, Dallas, Texas
Sep 16, 2010, Gary L. Grossenbacher, 48, Caucasian, Oklahoma
City, Oklahoma
Sep 18, 2010, David Cornelius Smith, 28, Black, Minneapolis,
Minnesota
Sep 18, 2010, Joseph Frank Kennedy, 48, Caucasian, La Mirada,
California
Oct 4, 2010, Javon Rakestrau, 28, Black, Lafayette Parish,
Louisiana
Oct 7, 2010, Patrick Johnson, 18, Caucasian, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania
Oct 12, 2010, Ryan Bain, 31, Caucasian, Billings, Montana
Oct 14, 2010, Karreem Ali, 65, Black, Silver Spring, Maryland
Oct 19, 2010, Troy Hooftallen, 36, Caucasian, Punxsutawney,
Pennsylvania
Nov 4, 2010, Eugene Lamott Allen, 40, Race: Unknown, Wilmington,
Delaware
Nov 6, 2010, Robert Neill, Jr., 61, Caucasian, Mount Joy,
Pennsylvania
Nov 7, 2010, Mark Shaver, 32, Caucasian, Brimfield, Ohio
Nov 23, 2010, Denevious Thomas, 36, Black, Albany, Georgia
Nov 26, 2010, Rodney Green, 36, Black, Waco, Texas
Nov 27, 2010, Blaine McElroy, 37, Race: Unknown, Jackson County,
Mississippi
Dec 2, 2010, Clayton Early James, Age: Unknown, Black, Elizabeth
City, North Carolina
Dec 11, 2010, Anthony Jones, 44, Black, Las Vegas, Nevada
Dec 12, 2010, Linel Lormeus, 26, Black, Naples, Florida
Dec 20, 2010, Christopher Knight, 35, Black, Brunswick, Georgia
Dec 31, 2010, Rodney Brown, 40, Black, Cleveland, Ohio
Jan 5, 2011, Kelly Sinclair, 41, Caucasian, Amarillo, Texas
Feb 5, 2011, Robert Ricks, 23, Black, Alexandria, Louisiana
Feb 24, 2011, Jermaine Sanford, 36, Race: Unknown, Los Angeles,
California
March 14, 2011, Christopher Davis, 36, Race: Unknown, Los
Angeles, California
March 15, 2011, Brandon Bethea, 24, Black, Harnett County, North
Carolina
March 17, 2011, Chris Apericio, 24, Hispanic, Las Cruces, New
Mexico
March 20, 2011, Dale Lee Mitchell, 34, Black, Pinellas Park,
Florida
March 21, 2011, Jerry Perea, 38, Hispanic, Albuquerque, New
Mexico
March 24, 2011, Johnny Leija, 34, Hispanic, Madill, Oklahoma
April 3, 2011, Jairious McGhee, 23, Black, Tampa, Florida
April 4, 2011, Demetrius Johnson, 38, Black, Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma
April 9, 2011, Ervin Motley, 38, Black, Forrest City, Arkansas
April 13, 2011, Casey Babovec, 30, Caucasian, Saline County,
Arkansas
April 22, 2011, Adam Spencer Johnson, 33, Caucasian, Orlando,
Florida
April 23, 2011, Ronald Armstrong, 43, Caucasian, Pinehurst,
North Carolina
April 25, 2011, Kevin Darius Campbell, 39, Black, Tallahassee,
Florida
May 1, 2011, Marcus Brown, 26, Black, Waterbury, Connecticut
May 6, 2011, Matthew Mittelstadt, 56, Caucasian, Boundary
County, Idaho
May 6, 2011, Daniel McDonnell, 40, Caucasian, West Babylon, New
York
May 11, 2011, Allen Kephart, 43, Caucasian, San Bernadino
County, California
June 13, 2011, Howard Hammon, 41, Caucasian, Middleburg, Ohio
June 22, 2011, Otto Kolberg, 55, Caucasian, Waycross, Georgia
June 28, 2011, Dalric East, 40, Black, Montgomery County,
Maryland
July 5, 2011, Kelly Thomas, 37, Caucasian, Fullerton, California
July 10, 2011, Joshua Nossoughi, 32, Caucasian, Springfield,
Missouri
July 19, 2011, Alonzo Ashley, 29, Black, Denver, Colorado
July 21, 2011, La'Reko Williams, 21, Black, Charlotte, North
Carolina
July 30, 2011, Donald Murray, 39, Caucasian, Westland, Michigan
August 4, 2011, Pierre Abernathy, 30, Black, San Antonio, Texas
August 6, 2011, Everette Howard, 18, Black, Cincinnati, Ohio
August 6, 2011, Debro Wilkerson, 29, Black, Prince William
County, Maryland
August 6, 2011, Gregory Kralovetz, 50, Caucasian, Kaukauna,
Wisconsin
August 12, 2011, Joseph Lopez, 49, Hispanic, Santa Barbara,
California
August 17, 2011, Roger Chandler, 41, Caucasian, Helena, Montana
August 21, 2011, Montalito McKissick, 37, Black, Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma
August 24, 2011, Michael Evans, 56, Race: Unknown, Fayetteville,
North Carolina
August 30, 2011, Nicholas Koscielniak, 27, Caucasian, Lancaster,
New York
September 11, 2011, Tyree Sinclair, 31, Black, Corpus Christi,
Texas
September 13, 2011, Damon Barnett, 44, Caucasian, Fresno,
California
September 17, 2011, Richard Kokenos, 27, Caucasian, Warren,
Michigan
September 24, 2011, Bradford Gibson, 35, Black, Mt. Pleasant,
Michigan
September 24, 2011, Donacio Rendon, 43, Hispanic, Lubbock, Texas
September 29, 2011, Howard Cook, 35, Black, York, Pennsylvania
October 4, 2011, Glenn Norman, 46, Caucasian, Camden County,
Missouri
October 9, 2011, Darnell Hutchinson, 32, Black, San Leandro,
California
October 31, 2011, Chad Brothers, 32, Caucasian, Colonie, New
York
November 6, 2011, Darrin Hanna, 43, Black, North Chicago,
Illinois
November 13, 2011, Ronald Cristiano, 51, Caucasian, Bridgeport,
Connecticut
November 15, 2011, Jonathan White, 29, Black, San Bernardino,
California
November 22, 2011, Roger Anthony, 61, Black, Scotland Neck,
North Carolina
December 16, 2011, Marty Atencio, 44, Hispanic, Phoenix, Arizona
December 22, 2011, Wayne Williams, 27, Black, Houma, Louisiana
December 25, 2011, Micah Abbey, 33, Caucasian, Reno, Nevada
January 2, 2012, Mario Marin, 53, Caucasian, Santa Ana,
California
January 15, 2012, Daniel Guerra, 24, Hispanic, Ft. Worth, Texas
January 15, 2012, Hutalio Serrano, 43, Hispanic, Colton,
California
January 24, 2012, Thomas Lumpkin, 57, Black, Alamance County,
North Carolina
January 29, 2012, Camilo Guzman, 28, Hispanic, North Miami,
Florida
February 10, 2012, Marius Asanachescu, 28, Caucasian, Clark
County, Washington
February 13, 2012, Johnnie Warren, 43, Race: Unknown, Dothan,
Alabama
February 16, 2012, Charmin Bennett, 30, Black, Donaldsville,
Louisiana
February 29, 2012, Raymond Allen, 34, Black, Galveston, Texas
March 5, 2012, Nehemiah Dillard, 29, Black, Gainesville, Florida
March 12, 2012, Jersey Green, 37, Black, Aurora, Illinois
March 15, 2012, Alex Martin, 24, Caucasian, Pine Valley,
California
March 19, 2012, James Barnes, 38, Caucasian, Pinellas County,
Florida
April 10, 2012, Bobby Merrill, 38, Black, Saginaw, Michigan
April 21, 2012, Angel Hiraldo, 41, Hispanic, Meriden,
Connecticut
April 22, 2012, Bruce Chrestensen, 52, Caucasian, Grass Valley,
California
May 10, 2012, Damon Abraham, 34, Black, Baldwin, Louisiana
May 31, 2012, Randulph Rodas, 35, Hispanic, Merced, California
June 9, 2012, Randolph Bonvillian, 41, Caucasian, Houma,
Louisiana
June 20, 2012, Macadam Mason, 39, Caucasian, Thetford, Vermont
June 30, 2012, Victor Duffy, 25, Black, Tukwila, Washington
July 1, 2012, Corey McGinnis, 35, Black, Cincinnati, Ohio
July 5, 2012, Sampson Castellane, 29, Native American, Fife,
Washington
July 6, 2012, Joshua Salvato, 21, Hispanic, Ocala, Florida
August 21, 2012, Jerry Nichols, 64, Caucasian, Bend, Oregon
September 1, 2012, Denis Chabot, 38, Caucasian, Houston, Texas
September 5, 2012, Christopher Ladue, 23, Race: Unknown,
Medford, Oregon
September 14, 2012, Bill Williams, 60, Caucasian, Everett,
Washington
September 17, 2012, Phillip McCue, 28, Caucasian, Bangor, Maine
September 26, 2012, Timothy Dennis, 42, Black, Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma
October 4, 2012, Travis Maupin, 32, Caucasian, Paola, Kansas
October 21, 2012, Anthony Lawson, 27, Black, Corona, California
October 30, 2012, Derrick Birdow, 33, Black, Forest Hill, Texas
November 29, 2012, Robert Maurina, 46, Caucasian, West Allis,
Wisconsin
December 13, 2012, Philip Coleman, 38, Black, Chicago, Illinois
December 15, 2012, Darryll Briston, 49, Black, Washington,
Pennsylvania
December 25, 2012, Kevin Culp, 29, Black, Richmond, Washington
January 1, 2013, Andrew Layton, 26, Caucasian, Mankato,
Minnesota
January 4, 2013, Marcus Slade, 32, Black, Marshall, Texas
January 17, 2013, Bruce Thomson, 49, Caucasian, Logan, Utah
February 4, 2013, Cody Towler, 34, Caucasian, Roswell, New
Mexico
February 8, 2013, Stephen MacKenzie, 54, Caucasian, Flint,
Michigan
February 16, 2013, Charles Baker, Jr., 30, Black, Jamestown, New
York
February 23, 2013, Christopher Parker, 33, Caucasian, Spokane,
Washington
March 3, 2013, Ray McKelvey, 26, Caucasian, Canyonville, Oregon
March 21, 2013, Bobby Madewell, 51, Caucasian, Longview, Texas
March 24, 2013, Khari Illidge, 25, Black, Phenix City, Alabama
March 30, 2013, Lawrence Baumann, 51, Caucasian, Santa Barbara,
California
April 5, 2013, Mark Couturier, 50, Caucasian, Los Angeles,
California
April 10, 2013,Thomas Sadler, 45, Caucasian, Raleigh, North
Carolina
April 12, 2013, Rodney Evans, 42, Black, Flint, Michigan
April 16, 2013, Carl Ballard, 29, Black, Williamsburg County,
South Carolina
April 19, 2013, Anthony Howard, 51, Black, Gaithersburg,
Maryland
April 19, 2013, Anthony Firkins, 33, Caucasian, Nampa, Idaho
May 2, 2013, Jayson Carmickle, 28, Caucasian, Salt Lake City,
Utah
May 16, 2013, Jermaine Darden, 34, Black, Ft. Worth, Texas
May 17, 2013, Guillermo Cedano, 44, Hispanic, Montibello,
California
June 2, 2013, Guy Guthrie, 55, Unknown, Conifer, Colorado
June 7, 2013, Will Berger, 34, Caucasian, Spokane, Washington
June 9, 2013, Mark Koves, 28, Caucasian, Thornton, Illinois
June 9, 2013, Noel Mendoza, 43, Hispanic, Meriden, Connecticut
June 22, 2013, Gregory Price, 56, Caucasian, Roseburg, Oregon
June 29, 2013, George Harvey, 39, Black, Augusta, Georgia
July 10, 2013, Gerald Altomare, 30, Caucasian, St. Cloud,
Florida
July 11, 2013, Antonio Johnson, 40, Black, Bridgeton, Missouri
July 21, 2013, Deomain Hayman, 28, Black, Wilmington, Delaware
July 22, 2013, Thomas Martinez, 40, Caucasian, Coralville, Iowa
July 23, 2013, Jason Nalls, 40, Black, Wenatchee, Washington
July 24, 2013, Dainell Simmons, 29, Black, Middle Island, New
York
July 26, 2013, John Wrana, 95, Caucasian, Forest Park, Illinois
July 29, 2013, Zheng Diao, 76, Asian, St. Louis Park, Minnesota
August 6, 2013, Israel Hernandez, 18, Hispanic, Miami, Florida
August 21, 2013, Michael Ruiz, 44, Hispanic, Phoenix, Arizona
September 2, 2013, Norman Oosterbroek, 43, Caucasian, Miami,
Florida
September 3, 2013, Gary Beto, 52, Caucasian, East Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania
September 14, 2013, Jonathan Ferrell, 24, Black, Charlotte,
North Carolina
September 22, 2013, Michael Zubrod, 39, Caucasian, Northwood,
Iowa
October 11, 2013, Raymond Johnson, 41, Black, Moreno Valley,
California
October 13, 2013, Brad Evans, 32, Caucasian, Starr, South
Carolina
October 13, 2013, Fernando Gomez, 36, Hispanic, El Paso, Texas
February 4, 2014, Randall Hatori, 39, Asian Pacific Islander,
Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
February 5, 2014, Willie Sams, 21, Black, Liberty City, Florida
February 27, 2014, Treon 'Tree' Johnson, 27, Unknown, Hialeah,
Florida
February 27, 2014, Maykel Barrera, 37, Hispanic, Miami, Florida
April 11, 2014, Gregory Towns, 24, Black, East Point, Georgia
April 13, 2014, Edward Caruth, 38, Caucasian, Phoenix, Arizona
April 13, 2014, Jose Maldonado, 22, Hispanic, East Hartford,
Connecticut
May 11, 2014, Ron Hillstrom, 44, Caucasian, University Place,
Washington
May 14, 2014, George King, 18, Black, Baltimore, Maryland
May 24, 2014, Carlos Ocana, 54, Hispanic, Los Angeles,
California
June 7, 2014, Daniel Best, 34, Caucasian, Gilbert, Arizona
June 21, 2014, Dominic Graffeo, 56, Caucasian, Chelsea,
Massachusetts
July 7, 2014, Ennis Labaux, 37, Black, LaPlace, Louisiana
July 12, 2014, Ronald Hewett, 50, Caucasian, Wilmington, North
Carolina
July 19, 2014, Francisco Rocha, 41, Hispanic, Chicago, Illinois
August 8, 2014, Jose Paulino, 38, Hispanic, Tamaqua,
Pennsylvania
August 12, 2014, Dante Parker, 36, Black, Victorville,
California
August 20, 2014, Arvel Williams, 30, Black, Perry Hall, Maryland
August 24, 2014, Timothy Griffis, 35, Caucasian, Lake City,
Florida
August 25, 2014, Timothy Rice, 33, Caucasian, Austin, Texas
August 29, 2014, Michael O'Connell, 44, Caucasian, Littlefield,
Arizona
September 13, 2014, Ricky Hinkle, 47, Black, Birmingham, Alabama
September 21, 2014, Daniel Satre, 43, Caucasian, Ballston Spa,
New York
October 4, 2014, Lashano Gilbert, 31, Black, New London,
Connecticut
October 6, 2014, Balantine Mbegbu, 60, Black, Phoenix, Arizona
October 13, 2014, Macario Garcia, 54, Hispanic, Pleasanton,
Texas
#Post#: 20539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: Snickers Date: August 27, 2015, 11:04 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1482.msg20534#msg20534
date=1440732319]
Brown appears justified, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, not so
much. Garner was unnecessary. There's a mixed bag for sure.
Seems other countries can subdue drug addicts and the mentally
ill without shooting them, why can't we? Heck, even here we
manage to control these same populations every day in the
prisons and institutions, no guns needed. When it comes to LE
we confuse "justifiable" with "necessary" and never ask if the
cops had less lethal options at their disposal.
[/quote]
Those are only a handful of examples.
Brown shooting was justified.
Garner became belligerent with Officers and resisted. The take
down was standard. He had health issues that contributed to his
death. Asthma, heart disease , and obesity that alone can kill.
Tamir Rice was udder stupidity and incompetence.
Walter Scott was murder.
Other countries that you speak of don't have out of control thug
behavior and mentality.
Nor the gang problems that we have.
Prison is an extremely controlled environment with no chance of
getting away. And there are firearms there.
#Post#: 20540--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 27, 2015, 11:38 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1482.msg20539#msg20539
date=1440734678]
Other countries that you speak of don't have out of control thug
behavior and mentality.
Nor the gang problems that we have.
[/quote]
A few minutes with Google says that parts of Europe and Canada
do have significant problems with violent gangs. But let's
ignore that for a moment. IMHO we're just a bit trigger happy
in general over here.
We have cops plugging the mentally ill when they refuse to drop
a teaspoon. He was "holding it aggressively", so it's OK I
guess.
Repeat with mentally ill man standing on his porch with
screwdriver, another reaching into his car for his wallet after
the officer told him to, another merely climbing a dark
stairway to his apartment.... So on, so forth.
These folks were in no sense of the word, endangering the cop,
unless you torture the word "endangered" so badly it's no longer
recognizable. This stuff doesn't seem to happen elsewhere
either. Judgment, judgment, judgment.
[quote]Prison is an extremely controlled environment with no
chance of getting away. [/quote]
Agreed. But not really the point. Violent altercations and
guards being threatened with weapons aren't uncommon. When's
the last time you heard of a prison guard shooting a prisoner
dead who threatened or attacked him? Likely never.
#Post#: 20541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 28, 2015, 12:01 am
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[quote author=Mr.steve link=topic=1482.msg20537#msg20537
date=1440733448]
What non-lethal method can be used? Here are 283 names of those
lost lives from a non-lethal weapon.
[/quote]
Without knowing the total number of taser deployments I can't
make a judgment on that.
Are those deaths 10% of the total? 1%? 0.0001%?
How does that risk compare with the survival rates for multiple
bullet wounds?
#Post#: 20546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: trollslayer Date: August 28, 2015, 7:34 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1482.msg20534#msg20534
date=144073231] Heck, even here we manage to control these same
populations every day in the prisons and institutions, no guns
needed. When it comes to LE we confuse "justifiable" with
"necessary" and never ask if the cops had less lethal options at
their disposal.
[/quote]
No guns in prisons? Wrong! Tower guards are armed in many
prions and will use them a "necessary". Prisoners know this.
Prisoners are also subject to more stricter sanctions as the
have less rights. If you see somebody breaking a law on the
street you can't immediately throw them in a segregation unit
then start an investigation. The comparison is hardly viable.
When your in the heat of the moment, stopping to decide whether
one use of force is justifiable and the other necessary could
cost you your life. If it were me under the circumstances I'm
going with guaranteed stopping power. Darrin Wilson tried that
and it almost cost him his life.
#Post#: 20547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: p2_d Date: August 28, 2015, 8:17 am
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I know that in the industry I work that when you see a problem
that appears over and over again, like the police shootings, we
begin to look at how are we training the people. We can all
point fingers at the "BAD COPS" I guess maybe I think they are
not bad cops just people who are not properly trained for the
job they have. Its the same problem we have with education. We
compare ourselves to other countries, but that can be an
oversimplification. Other countries value teachers more and pay
them better and make sure they are properly trained and that the
training is ongoing. In this country teachers like the Police
are not respected, and poorly trained and have little ongoing
training that is really significant. Look at the scandal in
Chicago with the principal training system. It was given to a
group who had ties to the CEO and offered little in the way of
actual training while costing that city 10s of millions of
dollars. I hear all the time parents who have little education
beyond high school complaining about how their teacher is wrong,
well more often my experience is these kids are brats and a
burden on the class room and the parents should actually listen
to the teacher about why their star is not shinning. The same
goes with the police. Their is no respect for them. Look at
Michael Brown evidence proves he reached into the squad car. The
incident I mentioned in Chicago the guys ran from the police
because the new protocol is not to pursue. Just last week there
was another pedestrian killed by a person who had been pulled
over by the police and when the officer approached the car he
took off. But we should blame the police. They are ill equipped
and poorly trained for the work they have to face in certain
areas. Look at the number of police killed on duty and look at
the ethnicity of who killed them. Again the chances of a cop
being killed by 4 60 year old white guys in a Lincoln town car
that was speeding verses 4 20 year old person of color, well the
facts point out which is more dangerous. The fact that these
officers put their lives on the line every day, its easy for
people to arm chair quarterback how they are doing a bad job,
but I wonder how any of us would do in that same position.
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: Mr.steve Date: August 28, 2015, 9:23 am
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HTML http://heavy.com/news/2015/08/vester-lee-flanagan-bryce-williams-pov-shooting-murder-video-twitter-tweet-youtube-video/
If you haven't seen the video, you need to watch it at the above
link. Something doesn't seem right. Tell me what you see.
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