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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: wmd102 Date: August 26, 2015, 9:35 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1482.msg20510#msg20510
date=1440630692]
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If I wanted to be sarcastic "and it would definitely be sarcasm"
I could say something like "that's racist" but I am certain
some people would not take it that way. :-X
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: trollslayer Date: August 26, 2015, 10:30 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1482.msg20518#msg20518
date=1440642746]
What isn't being discussed here is the fact that a lot of black
people are being killed by police officers. Why are white people
more likely to be arrested unharmed than black people?
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Seriously?? That's what you have to add? Are you aware that
there are a lot of white cops being killed by black people. I'm
really sick of people spouting this nonsense. Show me
statistics, bring me some facts. Not just the typical talking
points. Are you also aware that there are a lot of black people
killing unarmed black people? I know I know, hands up don't
shoot, more gun laws, #blacklivesmatter. Sorry Linda come back
when you have something pertinent to add. This type of garbage
just p-i-sses me off. Just more worn out liberal talking points
with nothing solid to back it up. The internet is full of this
garbage. Two white people were shot by a black man and the best
you got is to divert from the subject?
HTML http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/la-police-officer-gunned-woman-stabbed-death-article-1.2338662
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 26, 2015, 10:43 pm
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A couple bits of data from The Guardian (the least partisan
source I could find that had data);
Minority groups make up less than 38% of the US population.
Yet 50.4% of those killed by police are minorities, and
67.2% of the unarmed people killed by police are minorities.
HTML http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
It appears that police are killing more unarmed minorities (per
capita) than any other group.
The reason why the numbers are what they are is where the big
questions lie. Are minorities stopped more often? Are
minorities committing more crimes? Are minorities more likely
to threaten the police when stopped? Are police more likely to
feel threatened by minorities? Do the the worst cops work in
the worst neighborhoods? I have no idea. But Linda's comments
are not statistically wrong.
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 26, 2015, 10:59 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1482.msg20512#msg20512
date=1440632557]
What's even worse is now the anti gun fanatics are now crying
for more laws without knowing all the details
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So when voters elect a bad president, I suppose we need "voter
control" laws to prevent another tragedy? Yeah, I'm only
partially kidding.
Never let a good crisis go to waste when you have an agenda.
Most "gun control" laws disproportionately affect law abiding,
low-income residents, often blacks, yet the Democrats keep
pushing them, blind to the hypocrisy.
Registration and carry permits cost money and require ID, which
(see "voter ID laws") affect low income blacks hardest. Felons
simply bypass all that, in fact cannot be prosecuted for failure
to register firearms or complete background checks as it's a 5th
amendment violation. (Haynes Vs. United States)
The irony is law abiding, low income blacks are probably most
likely to actually need personal protection. They are often
victimized by their own neighbors in neighborhoods the police
are reluctant (or refuse) to go.
But what do I know.
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: p2_d Date: August 27, 2015, 8:24 am
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Found it interesting that while officer Wilson shooting of Mr
brown was found justifiable(On March 4, 2015, the federal
investigation cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the
shooting. The investigation concluded that there was no evidence
upon which prosecutors could rely to disprove Wilson's
subjective belief that he feared for his safety, that witnesses
who contradicted Wilson were not credible, that evidence and
credible witnesses corroborated Wilson's account, and that the
facts did not support the filing of criminal charges against
Wilson
(
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/darren-wilson-is-cleared-of-rights-violations-in-ferguson-shooting.html)).<br
/>The Chicago Police are investigating an incident where an
officer made that same statement. I guess the powers that be in
Chicago now believe speaking the truth needs to be investigated.
HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-cop-under-investigation-for-comments-about-ferguson-20150826-story.html
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: p2_d Date: August 27, 2015, 9:05 am
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It appears that police are killing more unarmed minorities (per
capita) than any other group.
The reason why the numbers are what they are is where the big
questions lie. Are minorities stopped more often? Are
minorities committing more crimes? Are minorities more likely
to threaten the police when stopped
Rapids, Take any weekend and look at the shootings in Chicago.
The chances of a person being shot in Edgebrook or Jefferson
Park is somewhere between slim and none. Meanwhile on the south
side in the middle of the day a 65 year old woman is shot and it
rates barely a mention. Perhaps that is a commentary on how life
is valued in certain areas. But lets blame the police.......
HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-1-wounded-in-back-of-the-yards-shooting-20150822-story.html
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: rapids_60 Date: August 27, 2015, 11:03 am
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1482.msg20524#msg20524
date=1440684308]
Rapids, Take any weekend and look at the shootings in Chicago.
The chances of a person being shot in Edgebrook or Jefferson
Park is somewhere between slim and none. Meanwhile on the south
side in the middle of the day a 65 year old woman is shot and it
rates barely a mention. Perhaps that is a commentary on how life
is valued in certain areas. But lets blame the police.......
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They are horrible, but separate problems. Criminals are at
fault for what they do wrong. Police are at fault for what they
do wrong. Neither justifies or diminishes the other. "Let's
blame the police"? Sure. When they are at fault.
I'm curious why people even bring up black on black crime, or
black on white crime whenever police shooting are discussed.
Blacks don't value other black's lives so the police don't need
to either? Is that the underlying point?
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: Snickers Date: August 27, 2015, 12:13 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1482.msg20525#msg20525
date=1440691413]
They are horrible, but separate problems. Criminals are at
fault for what they do wrong. Police are at fault for what they
do wrong. Neither justifies or diminishes the other. "Let's
blame the police"? Sure. When they are at fault.
I'm curious why people even bring up black on black crime, or
black on white crime whenever police shooting are discussed.
Blacks don't value other black's lives so the police don't need
to either? Is that the underlying point?
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In almost every incidents where the black activists and liberal
media have gone after the police. The shootings were more then
justified. The police officers were attacked or guns were
banished by the men who were shot. Black Lives Matter is
funded by the same people that funded Occupy Wall Street and
other extreme movements that include anarchists. It's all about
trying to destroy the America we grew up in.
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: p2_d Date: August 27, 2015, 12:18 pm
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I was responding to your comment about do minorities commit more
crimes. Seems that in the city of Chicago when it comes to
shootings it is overwhelmingly apparent that they do. So much so
that a 65 year old woman getting shot barley rates a mention.
That the police are more at risk when stopping minorities would
seem pretty evident.
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Re: Two killed, live on TV
By: p2_d Date: August 27, 2015, 12:43 pm
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Rapids an addendum
I am spending more time now (due to work) in Chicago so that may
frame why so many of my responses use Chicago..... anyways a few
weeks ago there was a shooting (again on the south side) the
suspect was fleeing in a car, the police siting safety dropped
off the pursuit and the alleged shooter continued to race away
ran over a mother and her baby in a stroller. WHO GOT THE BLAME
The police are being sued by the victims family. Why is a
shooter not being held accountable for his actions by this
family instead the police? Should every time a suspect runs they
let them go with out pursuit or use of their weapons? If thats
the case guess what people are going to do
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