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#Post#: 20181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: trollslayer Date: August 8, 2015, 2:35 pm
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[quote]If the officer had kept a lid on his unnecessary
escalation she also would have driven away.[/quote]
So, if Bland would have complied, do you think it would have
escalated? Fact of the matter is, if you're willing to kill
yourself over a traffic incident three days later shows that
"De-escalating probably wouldn't have been that easy. It
doesn't appear the officer was dealing with a stable person.
But it is always easier when you're playing Monday morning cop.
[quote]Asking someone to put out their cigarette while sitting
in their own vehicle is one such request. There is no legal
authority for that request, yet it's that refusal that led to
the escalation. [/quote]
We must have watched a different video. The situation had
escalated long before her lighting a cigarette.
[quote]She should not have been ordered out of the car.
(although the officer does have the right to do so) [/quote]
Huh? He can do it but shouldn't have? He was placing her under
arrest which was why she was told to put out the cigarette.
#Post#: 20182--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: trollslayer Date: August 8, 2015, 2:37 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1456.msg20173#msg20173
date=1439047918]
There's a difference between a person's boss and the police. You
are paid to take orders from your boss. The police are paid to
serve and protect. Now, I believe this woman committed suicide.
What I DON'T believe is she should have been arrested in the
first place. I don't see where she did anything wrong.
[/quote]
You're also supposed to follow orders from the police as well.
That is why she was arrested.
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Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: rapids_60 Date: August 8, 2015, 11:26 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1456.msg20181#msg20181
date=1439062550]
So, if Bland would have complied, do you think it would have
escalated?
[/quote]
It's the LE's job to keep things under control. That includes
not letting angry, irritating people get the best of you.
Citizens can yell at you, call you names, flip you the bird all
day long. It is your job to not flinch and rise above it. If
you cannot do that you are in the wrong job.
You seem to expect a certain standard of behavior (unquestioned
compliance) from one party, but very little from the other.
Fact is the officer here has previously been reprimanded for
unprofessional conduct, and was reprimanded again and placed on
desk duty for violating procedure during the Bland arrest.
Additionally the jail has now been cited by the state for
improper inmate monitoring.
Yet you only see wrongdoing on her part?
#Post#: 20187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: trollslayer Date: August 9, 2015, 7:44 am
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[quote]You seem to expect a certain standard of behavior
(unquestioned compliance) from one party, but very little from
the other. [/quote]
Straw man. Adding words unused by myself, changes the entire
argument and makes this a straw man.
[quote]Additionally the jail has now been cited by the state for
improper inmate monitoring.
Yet you only see wrong
doing on her part? [/quote]
Straw man. I never said that. Things could have gone a lot
different though if she would have just complied. This is my
point. Do you argue with a cop and get an attitude when you get
pulled over?
#Post#: 20188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: Linda Lou Date: August 9, 2015, 10:46 am
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...and things wouldn't have escalated if he'd acted like a
professional. As most cops would.
#Post#: 20191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: rapids_60 Date: August 10, 2015, 1:34 am
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[quote]Things could have gone a lot different though if she
would have just complied. [/quote]
Yep. I said from the getgo that both parties behaved poorly
here.
She could have remained calm and polite but did not. Not smart.
Thing is, cops run into angry, argumentative people like her
all day long, it's part of the job. They are trained to maintain
control of the situation and not get suckered into a ****ing
match. He did not do that.
If he can't maintain control over a simple traffic
stop...again...wrong profession.
[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1456.msg20187#msg20187
date=1439124243]
Do you argue with a cop and get an attitude when you get pulled
over?
[/quote]
Straw man. I am not involved in the incident in question and my
choices have nothing to do with it.
But to answer your question- no. I haven't been pulled over in
decades but would remain polite even if the officer was not.
I may or may not comply with everything the officer asks me to
do, depending on what it is.
It's truth, and taught almost verbatim that if an officer lets
angry people gain control and escalate like this guy did,that
officer is going to spend a lot of time dealing with bad,
perhaps dangerous situations where none needed to exist. Case
in point...
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Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: trollslayer Date: August 10, 2015, 8:02 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1456.msg20188#msg20188
date=1439135210]
...and things wouldn't have escalated if he'd acted like a
professional. As most cops would.
[/quote]
You know that how? Remember, you're dealing with a female who
hung herself in her cell with a garbage bag. Not necessarily
the poster child for stability.
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Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: trollslayer Date: August 10, 2015, 8:04 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1456.msg20191#msg20191
date=1439188485]
Yep. I said from the getgo that both parties behaved poorly
here.
She could have remained calm and polite but did not. Not smart.
Thing is, cops run into angry, argumentative people like her
all day long, it's part of the job. They are trained to maintain
control of the situation and not get suckered into a ****ing
match. He did not do that.
If he can't maintain control over a simple traffic
stop...again...wrong profession.
Straw man. I am not involved in the incident in question and my
choices have nothing to do with it.
But to answer your question- no. I haven't been pulled over in
decades but would remain polite even if the officer was not.
I may or may not comply with everything the officer asks me to
do, depending on what it is.
It's truth, and taught almost verbatim that if an officer lets
angry people gain control and escalate like this guy did,that
officer is going to spend a lot of time dealing with bad,
perhaps dangerous situations where none needed to exist. Case
in point...
[/quote]
I'm curious, since when is asking a question making a Straw man
argument?
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Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: rapids_60 Date: August 10, 2015, 10:04 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1456.msg20203#msg20203
date=1439255080]
I'm curious, since when is asking a question making a Straw man
argument?
[/quote]
You tell me. I asked a question and you jumped on the straw man
bandwagon. See the question mark? If it were a statement there
would be a period or exclamation point.
[quote] Yet you only see wrong
doing on her part?[/quote]
That said, I'm probably done with this topic because frankly
it's just two idiots behaving badly and I don't feel like
defending either. The old play stupid games, win stupid prizes
thing applies and I'm out of sympathy.
So what else we got? Trump do anything today? :D
#Post#: 20213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sandra Bland arrest, good police work or was it abuse
By: p2_d Date: August 11, 2015, 10:03 am
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If your boss comes in with 'tude and gives it to you and you
give it back, you're toast, (to borrow a phrase).
And that is exactly the problem with too many public employees,
they seem to forget they work for us and not us working for
them.
This cop was a prick and was trying to goad this woman. That was
unprofessional to say the least. Just because he can order
someone out of the car, doesn't mean he has to. He does need a
reason, beyond wanting to be a prick. This cop needs to be
disciplined or fired.
I wonder why so many people worry about Obama and him using
"Gestapo" tactics have no problem when the police use them?
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