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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: rapids_60 Date: July 23, 2015, 8:58 pm
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1447.msg19981#msg19981
date=1437654859]
Not sure what video you saw Rapids, perhaps it was edited but
Mr. Garner was clearly resisting arrest. The chokehold that you
say the officer used also is not illegal.
[/quote]
Then you understand the problem, where two people can watch the
same video and see different things. I didn't see Garner
resisting arrest. If he was he sure wasn't putting much effort
into it.
I'm curious where the threshold for "resisting" is. Not
walking into the handcuffs while whistling Humble Pie's "30
days in the hole"? Is that resisting, if the officer has to ask
twice?
I DID see a chokehold. Correct, not illegal, but against
department policy.
#Post#: 19996--------------------------------------------------
Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: rapids_60 Date: July 23, 2015, 9:01 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1447.msg19988#msg19988
date=1437670207]
Sometimes, reprehensible behavior alone can make a scandal.
[/quote]
Good point. Kinda like selling loose cigarettes ( or playing
with toy gun in the park, or walking onto the porch with a
cereal spoon...) and ending up killed by the police?
I consider those all scandals. I bet you don't.
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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: Snickers Date: July 23, 2015, 10:47 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1447.msg19995#msg19995
date=1437703138]
Then you understand the problem, where two people can watch the
same video and see different things. I didn't see Garner
resisting arrest. If he was he sure wasn't putting much effort
into it.
I'm curious where the threshold for "resisting" is. Not
walking into the handcuffs while whistling Humble Pie's "30
days in the hole"? Is that resisting, if the officer has to ask
twice?
I DID see a chokehold. Correct, not illegal, but against
department policy.
[/quote]
He kept back away from and pulling his arms away from the
officers when they tried to take him into custody.....that is
resisting arrest.
A chokehold is when you lock the arm around the neck onto
another part of your body or clothing for leverage. That did
not take place in this incident.
#Post#: 19998--------------------------------------------------
Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: rapids_60 Date: July 23, 2015, 11:21 pm
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[quote author=Snickers link=topic=1447.msg19997#msg19997
date=1437709672]
A chokehold is when you lock the arm around the neck onto
another part of your body or clothing for leverage. That did
not take place in this incident.
[/quote]
5.9 million dollars. That's what this incident cost the city in
a wrongful death settlement.
If it were a justifiable death, there would be no settlement.
There would be a trial.
#Post#: 19999--------------------------------------------------
Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: p2_d Date: July 24, 2015, 6:18 am
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Was admitting guilt part of the settlement? Are you saying every
time a settlement is reached before trial it is because the one
party is admitting guilt?
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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: rapids_60 Date: July 24, 2015, 3:51 pm
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1447.msg19999#msg19999
date=1437736708]
Are you saying every time a settlement is reached before trial
it is because the one party is admitting guilt?
[/quote]
Nope. Avoiding admitting guilt is the whole idea. They get to
write a check and avoid further liability.
Thing is, NYC has attorneys on staff to defend against this
sort of thing and oftentimes they do. This one they chose to
pay out and avoid a public trial. That tells me something.
#Post#: 20013--------------------------------------------------
Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: Mr.steve Date: July 24, 2015, 5:04 pm
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[quote]That tells me something. [/quote]
Worried about race riots? Yeah, thought so.
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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: p2_d Date: July 25, 2015, 6:05 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1447.msg20010#msg20010
date=1437771084]
Nope. Avoiding admitting guilt is the whole idea. They get to
write a check and avoid further liability.
Thing is, NYC has attorneys on staff to defend against this
sort of thing and oftentimes they do. This one they chose to
pay out and avoid a public trial. That tells me something.
[/quote]
Speculation on your part. There are many reasons cases are
settled before a trial. Unless admitting guilt is part of the
settlement what you say is only your opinion and not neccisarily
a fact
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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: rapids_60 Date: July 25, 2015, 11:40 pm
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[quote author=p2_d link=topic=1447.msg20015#msg20015
date=1437822343]
Speculation on your part. .......... what you say is only your
opinion and not neccisarily a fact
[/quote]
Yep, it's absolutely speculation on my part, which was sorta the
point.
Those who rush to point out what many "saw" on the Garner video
was wrong should apply their own "wait until the facts come out"
mindset to the PP video.
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Re: The New Democratic Party, All lives don't matter
By: trollslayer Date: July 26, 2015, 8:57 pm
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It now appears two IG's have requested the FBI look into
Hillary's use of private email. I'd love to say the plot
thickens but where the Clintons and their machine are concerned,
facts have a tendency of dissapearing Eg 30,000 or so emails
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