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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: rapids_60 Date: February 15, 2015, 10:59 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1389.msg19099#msg19099
date=1424054266]
I didn't graduate high school, more than 10 years later I found
out I needed the diploma to further my life. I took the GED
test and passed. I wasn't any smarter the day after I had the
paper than I was the day before. I just had a piece of paper to
add to my resume.
[/quote]
Congrats! IMHO passing the GED tests is much tougher than
simply sitting in your seat for 12 years and graduating. I
graduated HS with kids who could not read and write.
(seriously). They could never pass a GED test but they put in
their time. What's that diploma really worth?
Well... as you found out, quite a bit. The paperwork doesn't
make you any smarter or more knowledgeable, it simply proves to
others that you likely are because you finished XX level of
education.
If diplomas had no value, no employer would require them. Yet
they seem to be universally required, from HS to PhD's depending
on the job. There's a reason for that.
Years ago we had atty's who were self-taught, like Lincoln.
These days I want one with a piece of paper on the wall.
Preferably two. And I expect a bit more from the president than
I do from my lawyer :)
Walker's larger problem is going to be his track record of
failure...but that's another thread I think. :)
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: trollslayer Date: February 16, 2015, 7:03 am
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[quote]These days I want one with a piece of paper on the wall.
[/quote]
This is just personal preference. It doesn't mean the person
with the piece of paper on the wall is any more qualified or has
the common sense to tie all the knowledge together to make a
good lawyer. But face it, Lawyers go to school to be lawyers,
doctors, doctors, mechanics mechanics and so on. What do
presidents go to school for? We've seen already that going to
school to be a Constitutional law professor isn't the way to go.
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: trollslayer Date: February 16, 2015, 7:11 am
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1389.msg19100#msg19100
date=1424055564]
Kudos for taking the time to get your GED, Trolly. That's the
thing...it was important to you and you did it.
[/quote]
Thanks Linda, but my point was this, I required no further
schooling to get that GED. I was just as knowledgeable as those
who graduated.
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: wmd102 Date: February 16, 2015, 8:25 am
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Computer seems to be on the fritz because I wanted to post a
youtube video but all I got was a blank screen on the preview.
The video I wanted to show was titled EVERYTHING WRONG WITH
STUDENT LOANS IN 6 MINUTES OR LESS. This is some what tongue in
cheek and yet serious at the same time. If someone wants to post
this thank you. :)
Speaking of higher education and jobs I have a niece that was
pursuing a PHD. In the years that required her to go to school
she needed to work summer jobs and one of them was at a research
firm which now,, that she done with school (unless she decides
to go back), is now her full-time employer. No PHD just her
masters degree FYI. There seems to be a lot students who end
working at part time jobs to pay for college only to end up
working at that same place making you wonder why complete
college in the first place?
On the other end of the spectrum a nephew now has a very well
paying job after a year of schooling at MSTC to be a welder.
Trouble is, the job he works at does not require him do any
welding. So why take of job like that? How about no welding jobs
that pay as well, at least in this area. Was that time and money
well spent? $30,000 question. ;D
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: 12cows Date: February 16, 2015, 10:02 am
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Isn't it funny that a doctor has a piece of paper on the wall to
practice medicine? My co-worker told me when they stop
practicing and finally learn something then he will go to one.
:D
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: rapids_60 Date: February 16, 2015, 3:05 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1389.msg19104#msg19104
date=1424091797]
This is just personal preference.
[/quote]
Of course it is.
You learn one of two ways: a formal education or through
experience. Experience comes with age and many years of
practicing your trade. You gonna hire the young guy with no
education and only one year experience to handle your legal
work? Why not, jail can't be that bad....
You might convince me to overlook education in a presidential
candidate with a long, solid track record of success. That
isn't Walker. Pass.
[quote author=WMD102]On the other end of the spectrum a nephew
now has a very well paying job after a year of schooling at MSTC
to be a welder. Trouble is, the job he works at does not require
him do any welding. So why take of job like that? How about no
welding jobs that pay as well, at least in this area. Was that
time and money well spent? $30,000 question. ;D[/quote]
That's an interesting topic. Two of my sons work for a large
fabricator in southern WI, one in production (welding), the
other as a field service engineer.
Both insist that a degree from MSTC (or anywhere else) in
welding is frowned upon by these employers. Why? Because they
want to teach you their way of doing things and it's harder to
unlearn the wrong way than it is to start from scratch.
Not that MSTC will tell you that, they'll happily take your
money.
Starting wages in that industry are in the $20/hour range. If
you are willing to travel and install, some of these kids make
80-90K their first year. HS diploma and a willingness to learn.
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: rapids_60 Date: February 16, 2015, 3:16 pm
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[quote author=12cows link=topic=1389.msg19107#msg19107
date=1424102033]
I personally know of two unmarried ladies in their 50's who
both told me they wish they would of took more time for a social
life when they were young instead of obtaining a masters degree.
[/quote]
To each his own. My wife finished college in her 40's because
it opened doors that were otherwise closed. She finally has a
job she enjoys instead of merely working for a paycheck. My
mother returned and got her MA in her 40's for the same reason.
School and a social life are not mutually exclusive. Often as
not they combine quite well. :D
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: trollslayer Date: February 16, 2015, 4:08 pm
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[quote]You might convince me to overlook education in a
presidential candidate with a long, solid track record of
success. That isn't Walker. Pass.[/quote]
Success is another personal preference as well. Walker is a
college dropout. He's now governor of a blue state. For some
diplomers this is success. Somebody who won three elections
could be considered a success. Beating the unions is a success.
I could go on but it would be wasting my time.
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: wmd102 Date: February 16, 2015, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1389.msg19101#msg19101
date=1424062742]
Walker's larger problem is going to be his track record of
failure...but that's another thread I think. :)
[/quote]
Yes, because everyone knows that is worse try and fail than to
never try at all! ;)
At least you used the proper form "failure" and not the verb
form and internet troll's choice "fail!" >:(
All of which bring's us back to the future of the voting public.
If you can believe former NPR (and current FOX) pundit Juan
Williams he likens Willy Sutten's quote "rob banks...that's
where the money is" to the mentality of Obama (and all Democrats
seeking elections in the future) making silly videos because
this speaks to "millennials." Evidently this is speaking to them
in their own language. If that is true I have a message for the
parents of millennials" THE EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS FAILED YOUR
CHILDREN! THEY CAN ONLY VIEW THE WORLD THROUGH THE LENS OF A
YOUTUBE WEBCAM! UNLESS YOU CAN SUCCESSFULLY BRING A LAWSUIT
AGAINST A COLLEGE FOR MALPRACTICE YOU NEED TO TAKE THE COMPUTER,
THE TABLET AND THE SMART PHONE OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT AND GO TO
THE PAWN SHOP! USE THE MONEY TO GET THEM THEIR OWN RESIDENCE! :o
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Re: Howard "arrrrgh" Dean says
By: rapids_60 Date: February 16, 2015, 8:56 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1389.msg19115#msg19115
date=1424124511]
He's now governor of a blue state. For some diplomers this is
success. Somebody who won three elections could be considered a
success. Beating the unions is a success. I could go on but it
would be wasting my time.
[/quote]
Those things could all be considered successes, but probably
anyone who runs against him will have a similar portfolio.
So....what's Walker done for the state? And by extension what
might he do for the country?
We still have a huge deficit, we're lagging our peers in job
creation, we're no longer the best in the country at providing
our people health coverage.. while at Milwaukee County he got
the county sued, wasted millions and is about to do the same
statewide with his drug testing proposal... do we really want
another failure in the WH?
How will the Republicans sell this? " You had 8 years of Obama,
now it's our turn for Mediocrity"? :D
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