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No charges in Ferguson
By: trollslayer Date: January 22, 2015, 7:38 am
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So we now have two investigations that have come to the same
result. No charges to be filed against Officer Wilson.
[quote]Justice Department lawyers will recommend that no civil
rights charges be brought against the police officer who fatally
shot an unarmed teenager in Ferguson, Mo., after an F.B.I.
investigation found no evidence to support charges, law
enforcement officials said Wednesday.
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and his civil rights chief,
Vanita Gupta, will have the final say on whether the Justice
Department will close the case against the officer, Darren
Wilson. But it would be unusual for them to overrule the
prosecutors on the case, who are still working on a legal memo
explaining their recommendation.[/quote]
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html?_r=0
I wonder what the good Rev will have to say about this!! Will
he call Holder and the entire DOJ racists?
#Post#: 18714--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: rapids_60 Date: January 22, 2015, 6:45 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1366.msg18713#msg18713
date=1421933900]
So we now have two investigations that have come to the same
result.
[/quote]
Sweet...Just like in Benghazi! By the way, how'd that work
out? Do you now believe Hillary and Obama are blameless
because two investigations say they are?
Don't expect Rev Al to change his mind either.
#Post#: 18715--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: trollslayer Date: January 22, 2015, 7:19 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1366.msg18714#msg18714
date=1421973949]
Sweet...Just like in Benghazi! By the way, how'd that work
out? Do you now believe Hillary and Obama are blameless
because two investigations say they are?
Don't expect Rev Al to change his mind either.
[/quote]
Apples to shingles Rapids but a noble try just the same. Have
you renewed your membership in the DNC yet for this year?
Benghazi was avoidable. Do you wish to explain how Ferguson was
avoidable? Obama created Benghazi. Funny how the hard core
left blame Bush for Iraq, blame US policy for Iran and give
Obama a free pass in Libya.
But then again, the administration and the State Department
wasn't found entirely innocent either, but you can overlook that
to try to push your incorrect talking points.
[quote] A long-delayed Senate intelligence committee report
released on Wednesday spreads blame among the State Department
and intelligence agencies for not preventing attacks on two
outposts in Libya that killed four Americans, including U.S.
Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.
The bipartisan report lays out more than a dozen findings
regarding the assaults on Sept. 11 and 12, 2012 on the
diplomatic compound and a CIA annex in the Libyan city of
Benghazi. It says the State Department failed to increase
security at the sites despite warnings, and faults intelligence
agencies for not sharing information about the existence of the
CIA outpost with the U.S. military.
The committee determined that the U.S. military command in
Africa didn’t know about the CIA annex and didn’t have the
resources to defend the diplomatic compound in an emergency.
“The attacks were preventable, based on extensive
intelligence reporting on the terrorist activity in Libya—to
include prior threats and attacks against Western targets—and
given the known security shortfalls at the U.S. Mission,” the
panel said in a statement.[/quote]
HTML http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/15/bipartisan-senate-report-blames-obama-administration-for-not-preventing-benghazi-attack/
Now, how can you say they're "blameless" when this report says
they aren't?
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Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: rapids_60 Date: January 22, 2015, 8:06 pm
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Three paragraphs later and you've still missed the point.
You ignore both Benghazi investigations because you don't agree
with the results, yet expect others to respect these
investigations because you agree with the results.
Why are we paying for investigations when we can simply ask you
what the truth is? ;D :D ;)
12+ embassy attacks preceding Benghazi were avoidable too,
provided you can armchair quarterback them. There are always
things that could have been done better. That doesn't
necessarily make you liable for not doing them beforehand.
Ferguson was also avoidable since we're calling the plays after
the game has ended. Stay in your car, windows up, door locked
until backup arrives. There. Avoided.
No DNC membership, sorry. Not unless I get a senior discount! :D
#Post#: 18720--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: trollslayer Date: January 22, 2015, 9:04 pm
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[quote]You ignore both Benghazi investigations because you don't
agree with the results, yet expect others to respect these
investigations because you agree with the results.[/quote]
You are making up yet another argument. You and others
pronounce Obama and Clinton blameless where this truly isn't the
case. In Ferguson there is no evidence that Wilson did anything
wrong. In Benghazi there is evidence that Clinton and Obama
did. Why can't you accept this?
[quote]There are always things that could have been done better.
That doesn't necessarily make you liable for not doing them
beforehand. [/quote]
That doesn't mean you aren't blameless for not doing them
either. Your argument is much like saying it isn't the doctors
fault the patient died, he just wasn't fully prepared before he
went into surgery. How well do you think that would go over in
the malpractice trial?
[quote] Ferguson was also avoidable since we're calling the
plays after the game has ended. Stay in your car, windows up,
door locked until backup arrives. There. Avoided. [/quote]
Really? Is this your final answer? :D If he would have stayed
in his car with the windows rolled up and then Brown could have
committed another crime of some kind and the police dept could
have been sued. But then again if that would have happened
Wilson would be blameless in your eyes right? You forget, Brown
initially attacked Wilson in his car. Do you think Wilson
should have asked Brown wait until back up arrived before he
attacked him? Face it, the cops aren't paid to it in their car
and wait for back up. That isn't their job. Their job is to
protect and serve. Their isn't a town or city out there that
has the manpower to tie up two cars and officers for each and
every stop.
#Post#: 18722--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: rapids_60 Date: January 22, 2015, 9:58 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1366.msg18720#msg18720
date=1421982264]
If he would have stayed in his car with the windows rolled up
and then Brown could have committed another crime of some kind
and the police dept could have been sued.
[/quote]
I thought you didn't like straw men and preferred not to
speculate? Yet you managed both in one sentence. :D
Wilson had no evidence at the time that Brown had committed any
crime, much less that he was preventing another. Brown was
jaywalking. Your entire premise is speculatory..
[quote]
You forget, Brown initially attacked Wilson in his car.
[/quote]
Not possible with the windows up and the door locked.
[quote]
Face it, the cops aren't paid to it in their car and wait for
back up.
[/quote]
Absolutely they are. The supreme court has ruled not once..but
twice that police officers have no duty to protect or serve the
general public, and are entirely justified in waiting for backup
rather than endanger themselves.
Since we're armchair quarterbacking, Wilson could have told
Brown to get on the sidewalk over his loudspeaker from a safe
distance. He did not, therefore he is not entirely blameless.
[quote]
Their isn't a town or city out there that has the manpower to
tie up two cars and officers for each and every stop.
[/quote]
Really? It takes no less than three squads to issue a speeding
ticket in Rapids! :D
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Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: Mr.steve Date: January 22, 2015, 10:16 pm
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[quote] Really? It takes no less than three squads to issue a
speeding ticket in Rapids! :D [/quote]
LMAO! Very true!
#Post#: 18724--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: trollslayer Date: January 23, 2015, 6:57 am
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[quote]Wilson had no evidence at the time that Brown had
committed any crime, much less that he was preventing
another.[/quote]
You must not have heard the grand jury testimony. Wilson did
indeed know about the robbery. Your statement that he was
jaywalking is incorrect as well. Many reports, including
Wilson's has Brown " in the middle of the street, blocking
traffic," This is what drew the attention of Officer Wilson who
then noted he had the stolen cigars from the store.
[quote]Not possible with the windows up and the door locked.
[/quote]
How many cars have been carjacked with the windows closed and
the doors locked? How many cars have been burglarized with the
car windows closed and the doors locked?
You can try to spin the story any way you want, play monday
morning qb until the cows come home, but the fact remains,
Wilson wasn't found guilty of any wrongdoing. Even by Holder's
DOJ. He was simply guilty of doing his job. The idea that he
should have sat in his car waiting for back up to get traffic
moving again is ludicrous.
Funny thing is, Rev Al has been notably silent. No apologies
for his racially charged accusations and rabble rousing. It
looks like racial politics has back fired and the town of
Ferguson has paid a heavy price because of it.
[quote]Wilson first came across Brown and his friend Dorian
Johnson when he said the men were walking in the street,
blocking traffic, rather than on the side walk. He told them:
“Why don’t you guys walk on the sidewalk?” Johnson replied: “We
are almost to our destination.” Wilson asked again: “Well,
what’s wrong with the sidewalk?” According to Wilson, Brown
replied: “F=u=ck what you have to say.”
Noticing Brown was holding Cigarillos and Johnson’s attire
matched the description of those involved in the robbery he had
earlier heard over his radio, Wilson suspected these were the
men involved and called for backup. Wilson described the area in
which he first confronted Brown and Johnson as
“antipolice."[/quote]
HTML http://www.newsweek.com/darren-wilsons-grand-jury-testimony-286908<br
/>
#Post#: 18725--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: wmd102 Date: January 23, 2015, 9:18 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1366.msg18714#msg18714
date=1421973949]
Sweet...Just like in Benghazi! By the way, how'd that work
out? Do you now believe Hillary and Obama are blameless
because two investigations say they are?
Don't expect Rev Al to change his mind either.
[/quote]
I have to ask, exactly how long has it been since you hung up
your badge? Was it before or after 1994? I ask because of a
police officer gunned down in the line of duty, dead. That was
in Marathon County and you might remember the specifics better
than I do. A few other details that weren't exactly common
knowledge that should have (and pertain to to Benghazi and
Ferguson) were the officer was told in no uncertain terms to "go
in and not to wait for backup" by the dispatcher. So your "no
obligation to serve" is bull carp! It might also be worthy of
note that the same officer had been the one who blew the whistle
on a scheme by Marathon County to have every officer issue a
certain amount of citations every month or they would be subject
to disciplinary action. While there has never been any proof
that one had anything to do with the other the sentiment
certainly was. Care to share some your personal insight?
#Post#: 18726--------------------------------------------------
Re: No charges in Ferguson
By: Snickers Date: January 23, 2015, 11:47 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1366.msg18714#msg18714
date=1421973949]
Sweet...Just like in Benghazi! By the way, how'd that work
out? Do you now believe Hillary and Obama are blameless
because two investigations say they are?
Don't expect Rev Al to change his mind either.
[/quote]
The first investigation was an internal State Department
investigation.
The Senate investigation was headed by a Republican Senator
who's wife is the CEO of a company that provides security for
the State Department.
If you don't think either of those investigations weren't biased
then your naďve.
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