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#Post#: 18543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: trollslayer Date: January 12, 2015, 4:20 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1354.msg18537#msg18537
date=1421099404]
The extremists no more represent the Muslim population at large
than abortion clinic bombers and the Westboro Baptists represent
Christians at large.
Most Muslims cringe whenever another extremist causes harm, they
know their entire religion will be called guilty for their
actions.
[/quote]
The problem being Rapids, the only reaction coming out of the
Muslim community is the "cringe" you cite. Nothing more. There
is nobody prominent coming out against this extreme view.
Unlike Christians coming out against the kooks at Westboro
Baptist. An interesting read from your favorite site Newsmax is
below. We need more people to come out and speak the truth much
like President Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi did. Unlike our own
President, he's not afraid to call Muslim extremists what they
are.
[quote]In a bold yet little-reported speech, The President of
Egypt has directly confronted Islamic leaders in his country and
challenged them to stand against extremism in their religion.
"We are in need of a religious revolution," President
Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi told imams on New Years Day at al-Azhar
University in Cairo. The speech commemorated the birthday of the
Prophet Muhammad.
"You, imams, are responsible before Allah," el-Sisi said. "The
entire world … is waiting for your next move … because [the
Islamic world] is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being
lost — and it is being lost by our own hands."....
...."We have to think hard about what we are facing," he said.
"It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred
should cause the entire [Islamic world] to be a source of
anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the
world. Impossible!
"Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to
kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants — that is 7 billion —
so that they themselves may live? Impossible!
"You cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset,"
el-Sisi said. "You need to step outside of yourselves to be able
to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened
perspective.”[/quote]
HTML http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/egypt-president-egypt-sisi/2015/01/11/id/617848/<br
/>
#Post#: 18557--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: rapids_60 Date: January 12, 2015, 11:07 pm
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Plenty of Muslims have spoken out against those who are
perverting their religion. You won't see them on Fox news,
doesn't fit the agenda. For that matter you don't see them
getting much publicity at all- anywhere. Not that they aren't
trying.
Reference your own article "...In a bold but little reported
speech...".
Why do you suppose that is, that Muslims who speak out get very
little press?
#Post#: 18561--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: trollslayer Date: January 13, 2015, 7:23 am
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1354.msg18557#msg18557
date=1421125651]
Plenty of Muslims have spoken out against those who are
perverting their religion. You won't see them on Fox news,
doesn't fit the agenda. For that matter you don't see them
getting much publicity at all- anywhere. Not that they aren't
trying.
Reference your own article "...In a bold but little reported
speech...".
Why do you suppose that is, that Muslims who speak out get very
little press?
[/quote]
Fox News? On the contrary. I have heard about it there and
Newsmax. If not I wouldn't have been able to call it to your
attention Mainstream?? Not at all. Too far left and goes
against the Obama agenda and face it, it's just not happening
the way it should be happening. Even Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi says
it's not happening. Check out the words in bold below from his
speech.
[quote]"I say and repeat, again, that we are in need of a
religious revolution. You imams are responsible before Allah.
The entire world is waiting on you. The entire world is waiting
for your word ... because the Islamic world is being torn, it is
being destroyed, it is being lost. And it is being lost by our
own hands," el-Sisi said.
"We need a revolution of the self, a revolution of consciousness
and ethics to rebuild the Egyptian person -- a person that our
country will need in the near future," the President
said.[/quote]
The entire world is waiting for the Imam's to speak up and
condemn these act of violence but it's not happening. This is
why he's calling them out.
#Post#: 18572--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: rapids_60 Date: January 13, 2015, 11:25 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1354.msg18561#msg18561
date=1421155402]
The entire world is waiting for the Imam's to speak up and
condemn these act of violence but it's not happening. This is
why he's calling them out.
[/quote]
Previous topic:
[quote]The problem being Rapids, the only reaction coming out of
the Muslim community is the "cringe" you cite. Nothing
more.[/quote]
First we're talking about the Muslim community, now it's the
Imams?
Blaming the entire Muslim community because of the Imam's
silence is no different than blaming all Catholics for
Molestation because of the Bishop's silence.
...Except silence isn't the case. A quick Google search reveals
that Imam's have been calling this nonsense out for several
years. Some examples here:
HTML http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html
Fact is, most Muslims hate this stuff. It isn't their job to
apologize for or condemn extremism any more than it's mine to
apologize for or condemn Fred Phelps or any other whacko
Christian. My silence is not equivalent to approval. Neither is
theirs.
#Post#: 18573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: Linda Lou Date: January 14, 2015, 3:26 am
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Well said, Rapids.
#Post#: 18574--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: trollslayer Date: January 14, 2015, 6:57 am
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[quote]
First we're talking about the Muslim community, now it's the
Imams? [/quote]
Imams aren't part of the Muslim community? Aren't they
considered leaders of the Muslim community?
[quote]
Blaming the entire Muslim community because of the Imam's
silence is no different than blaming all Catholics for
Molestation because of the Bishop's silence. [/quote]
Can we say strawman while at the same time making my point for
me? Nobody is "blaming" the "entire Muslim community" for
anything. My posting as been based mainly on the silence from
the Imams, yours has been on the Islamic community.
I'd like to call to you attention this quote taken from your
article you linked.
[quote]In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic
Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and
morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights
abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other
Muslim community leaders to speak out against the
violence.[/quote]
Even those in the Muslim community are calling for it's leaders
to speak out.
#Post#: 18582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: rapids_60 Date: January 14, 2015, 4:07 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1354.msg18574#msg18574
date=1421240228]
Nobody is "blaming" the "entire Muslim community" for anything.
My posting as been based mainly on the silence from the Imams,
yours has been on the Islamic community.
[/quote]
Here's what you said:
[quote]The problem being Rapids, the only reaction coming out of
the Muslim community is the "cringe" you cite. Nothing
more.[/quote]
#Post#: 18583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: trollslayer Date: January 14, 2015, 4:18 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1354.msg18582#msg18582
date=1421273276]
Here's what you said:
[/quote]
I'm very well aware of what I posted. That is my only response
regarding the "Muslim community" and was in response to this
post from you.
[quote]Most Muslims cringe whenever another extremist causes
harm, they know their entire religion will be called guilty for
their actions. [/quote]
Again, The bulk of my posting is the lack of any response from
the Imam's, or the leaders of the "Muslim community". The very
same point driven home in the article you cited. The very same
point brought up by Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi in his address.
#Post#: 18591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: rapids_60 Date: January 14, 2015, 9:39 pm
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[quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1354.msg18583#msg18583
date=1421273934]
Again, The bulk of my posting is the lack of any response from
the Imam's, or the leaders of the "Muslim community".
[/quote]
They have spoken out repeatedly. You may do better asking why
the Media doesn't cover it when they do.
HTML http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/373-whywedonthear
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Re: Freedom of speech again nder attack by Muslim Extremeists
By: trollslayer Date: January 14, 2015, 9:51 pm
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It would probably be a good idea to read the links you post.
You do realize that many of the groups listed are from North
America and the list is from 2005.
[quote]FIQH COUNCIL OF NORTH AMERICA July 28, 2005
MEMBERS OF THE FIQH COUNCIL OF NORTH AMERICA[/quote]
If you wish to think that there is this major outcry from the
Leaders of the Muslim community that's fine. However I posted a
link from the President of Egypt who thinks there isn't. you
posted a link showing where there are others looking for this
outcry as well. I think it's not being reported because it
ain't happening. If it were there would be Arab soldiers
fighting ISIS, not us.
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