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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: udontnojack
       Date: December 23, 2014, 9:40 am
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       Worth reading AND FROM THE NYT
  HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/sunday-review/race-and-police-shootings-are-blacks-targeted-more.html?_r=0
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: udontnojack
       Date: December 23, 2014, 9:55 am
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       --- Quote from: Linda Lou link ---
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  HTML http://mynews13.com/zimmerman.html
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       Thats a grand jury investigation and not even a trial. As far as
       I know in this country you are still considered innocent til
       proven guilty. OH YEAH I remember you just know what was in ole
       Zimmies head
       I thought maybe you were talking about
  HTML http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/fourth-teen-arrested-in-hammer-death-of-bosnian-man-in/article_f5abc4bb-fcee-50d9-9398-dfc69ae44696.html
       While not a murder how about
  HTML http://www.philly.com/philly/news/DA_Teens_charged_with_ethnic_intimidation_for_smack_cam_video.html#t28gVO7Scg2ESbg6.99
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: December 23, 2014, 9:58 am
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       Good God the Zimmerman case again?
       Martin would still be alive if he didn't attack Zimmerman.  No
       assassination there.
       Brown would still be alive if he didn't attack Wilson.  No
       assassination there.
       Garner would still be alive today if he wasn't breaking the law
       and resisting arrest.  No assassination there.
       In the two cases that involve law enforcement there isn't a
       grain of evidence that they were racially motivated.
       In the Trayvon Martin killing,  the 2 and 1/2 year investigation
       by DOJ continues.  To date no evidence that his civil rights
       have been violated.  I'm willing to be that there will be no
       charges.
       What these Race baiters don't understand is there is more black
       on black violence that occurs every day but is overlooked.
       There are more police shootings that occur in Chicago but for
       some reason these are all overlooked.
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: udontnojack
       Date: December 23, 2014, 11:43 am
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       TS I will say this , if the Feds have any proof that either the
       shooting of Brown or the death of Garner were racially motivated
       and they do not take it to a Grand Jury. Then Obama and Holder
       are both negligent in their duty.
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: December 23, 2014, 12:05 pm
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       --- Quote from: udontnojack link ---
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       > TS I will say this , if the Feds have any proof that either
       the shooting of Brown or the death of Garner were racially
       motivated and they do not take it to a Grand Jury. Then Obama
       and Holder are both negligent in their duty.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Hopefully these investigations don't take as long as the Trayvon
       Martin investigation (2 and a half years) or the Bo Bergdahl
       investigation (going on 5 years).
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: Snickers
       Date: December 23, 2014, 2:14 pm
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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       > Good God the Zimmerman case again?
       > Martin would still be alive if he didn't attack Zimmerman.  No
       assassination there.
       > Brown would still be alive if he didn't attack Wilson.  No
       assassination there.
       > Garner would still be alive today if he wasn't breaking the
       law and resisting arrest.  No assassination there.
       > In the two cases that involve law enforcement there isn't a
       grain of evidence that they were racially motivated.
       > In the Trayvon Martin killing,  the 2 and 1/2 year
       investigation by DOJ continues.  To date no evidence that his
       civil rights have been violated.  I'm willing to be that there
       will be no charges.
       > What these Race baiters don't understand is there is more
       black on black violence that occurs every day but is overlooked.
       There are more police shootings that occur in Chicago but for
       some reason these are all overlooked.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There you go again stating actual facts.
       Facts don't exist in the minds of some who have their minds set.
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: rapids_60
       Date: December 23, 2014, 9:58 pm
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       --- Quote from: udontnojack link ---
       >
       > Not sure what you mean by that. Care to elaborate. or share an
       example?
       >
       > Rapids you are free to offer up one if you like.
       >
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       Here is Linda's statement:
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       > These killings were wrong. Absolutely terrible. Nobody should
       be targeted for assassination for the uniform they wear...or for
       the color of their skin.
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       What part do you take issue with?   Seems pretty clear to me.
       Or is it your position that at no time in our history has anyone
       ever been assassinated because of the uniform they wear or their
       skin color?
       New Orleans, Henry Glover?   Oakland, Oscar Grant?  Chicago's
       Burge torture scandal?
       #Post#: 18363--------------------------------------------------
       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: udontnojack
       Date: December 23, 2014, 11:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
       >
       > Here is Linda's statement:
       > What part do you take issue with?   Seems pretty clear to me.
       Or is it your position that at no time in our history has anyone
       ever been assassinated because of the uniform they wear or their
       skin color?
       > New Orleans, Henry Glover?   Oakland, Oscar Grant?  Chicago's
       Burge torture scandal?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Obviously the part I highlighted.  We know just this past week
       two officers in New York were killed because they wore a uniform
       (I am old but do not think the alzheimers is setting in yet)
       I was just wondering if she or you had any specific cases in
       mind from the recent past.  Yes obviously in the past there had
       been killings of people based soley on their race or ethnicity,
       Medger Evers, and  Emmitt Till immediately come to my mind
       If I recall the Burge incidents involved torture and not
       assassination. While extremely deplorable I do not know that
       they were motivated by race. The district in which he worked,
       Area 2 is almost exclusively black. So why you add it I am not
       sure.
       Was Glover killed because of the color of his skin? Didnt
       Officer Warren have the charges dropped against him?
       Reading what i can on Oscar Grant I wonder why you say he was
       executed because of the color of his skin. Sounds like him and
       some others were involved in a rukus and he was accidentally
       shot when the officer used his gun and not his taser while
       resisting arrest, as collaborated by one of the other people
       being arrested.
       And as I said below that should their be any proof that the two
       recent homicides involving Black men and police officers turn
       out to be they need to be vigorously prosecuted. Till then
       anything about their motives would be pure speculation.
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: rapids_60
       Date: December 23, 2014, 11:54 pm
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       --- Quote from: udontnojack link ---
       >
       > And as I said below that should their be any proof that the
       two recent homicides involving Black men and police officers
       turn out to be they need to be vigorously prosecuted. Till then
       anything about their motives would be pure speculation.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree.  I seconded Linda's comment that it's wrong when it
       happens.  No particular incident was singled out in that
       comment.
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       Re: THEY CAN'T BREATHE
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: December 24, 2014, 8:01 am
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       Interesting.  De Blasio asks his base to not protest until after
       the funeral of the slain officers but the protests go on.  In an
       interview with one of the protestors they state they are going
       to protest until they win..  Unfortunately the protestor went
       off before the most obvious follow up question could be asked.
       Exactly what is a win?
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