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WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive use of
force by police
DIR By: udontnojack
Date: December 16, 2014, 6:01 am
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We are still seeing protests alleging police excesses and now we
are hearing for some who actually live in the communities in
question who are looking for increased levels of security up to
declaring Martial Law? maybe the two sides need to get together
and figure out what they want. While what has happened the past
few weeks has been troubling if people want to curb the violence
that plaques the inner city they are going to need to accept the
police and work with them. The other day I posted a Chicago
Tribune article about a shooting where the people in the
neighborhood were openly hostile to the police trying to clean
up after a shooting, taunting the police that they knew who the
shooters were and would offer no help to the police, well this
shooting of a 15 year old is the result of that sort of
attitude.
People who know little of what the police do or what it takes to
be a cop (especially those who work in some of these gang
infested areas) might take the words of wisdom that have been
said about making sausage.
I wonder what the haters would say after a few weeks of "martial
law"
Thomas-McDavis spoke out forcefully against the type of gun
violence that killed Demario, even advocating for martial law.
She said she spoke both as a principal and mother.
"Something needs to be done to keep our children safe on the
streets of Chicago. I know I speak for every educator who
continuously deals with this type of tragedy in saying we are
sick and tired of being sick and tired," she said. "The
apologies are not enough, and after all the fanfare is over,
someone still has to put their baby in the ground. We need
increased levels and types of security so that people can live
without the constant threat of being killed.
"I believe I speak for every mother who lives on the South Side
of this city in saying we don’t mind if it takes [martial law]
to get this in order. Demario did not deserve to die three days
from his 16th birthday," she said.
HTML http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141213/englewood/boy-15-killed-robbery-attempt-police
#Post#: 18231--------------------------------------------------
Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: December 16, 2014, 7:57 am
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Another way police "protect and serve".
--- Quote ---
> WAUSAU (WAOW) - The holidays are a time to give back, and
that's what one Wausau police officer did.
>
> This is the kind of story that really warms your heart. The
officers act of kindness didn't go unnoticed, and his good deed
has come full circle on Friday.
>
> December second was just another day on patrol for Wausau
police officer David Prokop.
>
> "I was over by Menard's,” said Prokop. “I went over there for
a hit and run, and as I was coming down Stewart Avenue and was
taking a left hand turn, and a gentleman was standing on the
sidewalk."
>
> The man was homeless.
>
> "I stopped and rolled down my window and he thought I was
going to roast him for having his sign, and I said no I'm just
checking to see how you're doing," said Prokop.
>
> The man's answer was simple.
>
> "He says I can really use a warm pair of boots," said Prokop.
>
> Officer Prokop had an idea.
>
> "I said what size is your foot and he said it's a ten,” said
Prokop. “So I said are you going to be here for a while, and he
said yeah I'll be here for a while, and I said stay put."
>
> The officer went to Fleet Farm.
>
> "Got him the boots,” said Prokop. “I got him a size eleven, so
if he was able to come up with some warm socks he could keep his
feet warm. I said here you go man Christmas came early. Merry
Christmas to you, and his eyes were probably around this big,
and he looked at me and said thanks brother, and he reached over
and grabbed me by the hand and shook hands."
>
> Someone working nearby saw the whole exchange and called the
police department to let them know about Prokop's act of
kindness. The department posted it on social media, and from
there, this story took a twist.
>
> This isn't the first time officer Prokop did something
extraordinary.
>
> Morgan Woodruff got the call in Wausau in September. Her
father Woody Woodruff, who worked with the Minocqua Chamber of
Commerce, had died of a heart attack. She pulled over, jumped
out of her car, and clung to the ground.
>
> But she says an angel pulled next to her, comforted her, and
took her home. That angel was officer David Prokop.
>
> "It meant so much to me, and I was going to wait and try to
find you at the right time, and I saw what you did, and I'm
amazed,” said Woodruff. “There are not many people out there
anymore that are like you, So for Christmas, anytime of your
choosing, I looked at your Facebook and saw that you have a
family. So I'm sending you guys to the Wisconsin Dells for a
weekend. Because there's nothing more important than family
time, and I would love for you guys to go. Everything's all set
up. All you have to do is pick your dates and you guys are good
to go! Those boots, you probably changed that man's life. I mean
you changed mine, I talk about you all the time."
>
> "I don't know what to say right now,” said Prokop. “I'm
flattered and flabbergasted and overwhelmed at the same time.
Not too many times I get speechless and this is one of the
times.”
>
> One act of kindness, paid forward by another.
--- End Quote ---
HTML http://www.waow.com/story/27618243/2014/12/12/wausau-police-officers-act-of-kindness-is-paid-forward
#Post#: 18232--------------------------------------------------
Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: December 16, 2014, 11:22 pm
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you can have martial law without it involving excessive force
and unnecessary deaths.
They are at their wit's end I'm sure, not knowing how to keep
their neighborhood safe.
Thanks for the story, TS. I like to think most of those in
uniform are more like Officer Prokop than not.
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Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: December 17, 2014, 4:13 pm
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
>
>
>
> Thanks for the story, TS. I like to think most of those in
uniform are more like Officer Prokop than not.
>
--- End Quote ---
That was the point of posting it. I've grown overtired of
hearing about cops and racism where there isn't any, of all the
alleged bad things cops do.
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Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: udontnojack
Date: December 18, 2014, 5:25 am
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
>
> you can have martial law without it involving excessive force
and unnecessary deaths.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I would ask you to explain but I am sure once again you would
not want to speculate. Martial Law has no actual definition so I
am sure The mayor of Chicago could declare martial law and do
not a thing different, but the common understanding usually
includes The use of military force and the suspension of certain
civil liberties, most often the right to be free from
unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and
freedom of movement. And the writ of habeas corpus may be
suspended. Not sure how that would not be viewed as excessive
but maybe you do. Seeing as you did not see any resistance to
arrest in that video, anything is possible.
You may or may not remember but doing the protests in Ferguson
but I heard a lot of talk about the police and how they interact
in the community and a common phrase was they felt like it was
an occupation, and the police were more like a military force.
Some even said it was the presence of the National Guard that
fueled the violence that happened. It wasn't anything they did,
it was just their mere being there. What would these same people
say if Martial Law were declared and the National Guard were to
start patrolling the streets of Chicago and their civil
liberties suspended? I imagine the Rev Pfleger would be lying
in front of a tank pretty quick out there in front of St
Sabina's.
The bigger point that you either missed or chose to ignore is
that (now this is me speculating) even were the strictest levels
of martial law enforced it would do little to stop the violence
and killing. Or at least till the rules were lifted. That until
the people in these neighborhoods choose to work with the police
and not taunt them at shooting sites. And if they do have
information share it with the police, and not depend on street
justice to solve these conflicts NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Instead of
viewing the police as your enemy realize they are there to
protect you. Also use a little common sense. If you are a petty
criminal with a long history of arrests don't be surprised when
the police target you. And if you resist arrest they will use
force to subdue you, and the more you resist the more force
they will use.
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Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: December 18, 2014, 7:01 am
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--- Quote ---
> Some even said it was the presence of the National Guard that
fueled the violence that happened. It wasn't anything they did,
it was just their mere being there.
--- End Quote ---
This is the very same logic used for closing Gitmo. However
this doesn't explain the rationale for 911, the first bombing of
the trade center, embassy bombing in Tanzania, the USS Cole.....
For some reason it seems, whatever happens to us is our fault.
Whatever reaction we have to it is our fault.
#Post#: 18248--------------------------------------------------
Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: wmd102
Date: December 18, 2014, 7:45 am
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On the other end of the spectrum, Radley Balko writing for the
WATCH and posted in the WASHINGTON POST writes about a police
officer being fired for not using force! I would like to give
more details but after reading this several times I can honestly
say that article doesn't give much more than that. Catch22?
#Post#: 18252--------------------------------------------------
Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: December 18, 2014, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: wmd102 link ---
>
> On the other end of the spectrum, Radley Balko writing for the
WATCH and posted in the WASHINGTON POST writes about a police
officer being fired for not using force! I would like to give
more details but after reading this several times I can honestly
say that article doesn't give much more than that. Catch22?
>
--- End Quote ---
This is the problem I'm having with what is going on now as
well. Cops taking seconds to think about the ramification of
their actions, questioning their next move. How many cops, or
civilians for that matter will be killed or wounded because of
this?
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Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: December 18, 2014, 4:53 pm
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
>
> This is the very same logic used for closing Gitmo. However
this doesn't explain the rationale for 911, the first bombing of
the trade center, embassy bombing in Tanzania, the USS Cole.....
> For some reason it seems, whatever happens to us is our fault.
Whatever reaction we have to it is our fault.
>
--- End Quote ---
Terrorists will hate us Gitmo or not. The idea that closing it
keeps us safer is hogwash.
The problem with Gitmo is that it is a physical reminder that as
Americans, we condemn other countries for indefinite
imprisonment without charges, without representation and without
trial, yet we do it ourselves when it suits us.
That's the problem with the place. Of course some won't see
that as a problem, lol.
#Post#: 18266--------------------------------------------------
Re: WAIT werent we just hearing the other day about excessive
use of force by police
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: December 18, 2014, 4:59 pm
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
>
> This is the problem I'm having with what is going on now as
well. Cops taking seconds to think about the ramification of
their actions, questioning their next move.
>
--- End Quote ---
That is what's expected of citizens defending themselves, why
not Cops?
If you shoot an "attacker" and it's proven you were not
sufficiently threatened by them, you are probably going to
prison.
If you miss the attacker and hit bystanders, you may go to
prison.
If you shoot an attacker while they are trying to escape, you
are going to prison. (no threat)
Prosecutors will crucify you for firing too many shots
("execution"), for using too large a firearm ("blood thirsty"),
using reloaded ammo ("store bought not deadly enough")
Yet you expect cops to have carte blanche every time they shoot,
not expecting even a rudimentary consideration of the
circumstances first?
Why two sets of rules? Is everyone's life of the same value,
or are Cops worth more?
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