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#Post#: 16638--------------------------------------------------
The right to defend oneself.
By: Linda Lou Date: October 4, 2014, 8:37 pm
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I don't get it. Some of the same people who feel it's a
citizen's right to defend themselves with a weapon if necessary
are chastising two police officers for doing the same thing?
Apparently the life of the pit bull who attacked an officer
should have come before that of the officer who shot it when it
attacked him. And apparently another officer didn't have the
right to shoot the man who was attacking him in his own home.
We expect cops to defend our lives, but not their own. That's
wrong.
#Post#: 16674--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: Mr.steve Date: October 6, 2014, 12:23 pm
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A cop shooting an asshole is one thing, an asshole shooting a
dog for protecting its family is different. My dogs are very
protective of the family and if some asshole started kicking me,
you bet my dogs would attack. Does that mean they should be
shot? HELL NO!
#Post#: 16680--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: rapids_60 Date: October 6, 2014, 5:00 pm
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You're lucky if the dog is all they shoot.
Raid the wrong home, shoot the 7 year old granddaughter in her
sleep with a friggin' machine gun, blame the grandmother...then
get off scott-free because your actions were not "negligent
enough".
HTML http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/03/girl-death-detroit-police-raid/2386609/
This is why folks do not implicitly trust that cops are in the
right anymore. Sometimes they are not.
#Post#: 16683--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: 2fat Date: October 6, 2014, 8:33 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1257.msg16638#msg16638
date=1412473026]
We expect cops to defend our lives, but not their own. That's
wrong.
[/quote]
Police carry weapons to protect themselves not you or I!
#Post#: 16684--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: rapids_60 Date: October 6, 2014, 8:52 pm
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[quote author=2fat link=topic=1257.msg16683#msg16683
date=1412645599]
Police carry weapons to protect themselves not you or I!
[/quote]
Correct.
The police are under no specific obligation to protect anyone
but themselves unless it's from a state-created danger. That
fact has been affirmed by the supreme court.
We might expect cops to defend our lives, but there is no
requirement that they do.
#Post#: 16685--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: trollslayer Date: October 6, 2014, 9:35 pm
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[quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1257.msg16684#msg16684
date=1412646739]
Correct.
The police are under no specific obligation to protect anyone
but themselves unless it's from a state-created danger. That
fact has been affirmed by the supreme court.
We might expect cops to defend our lives, but there is no
requirement that they do.
[/quote]Maybe this should have been mentioned during the
protests in Ferguson MO. Right now we have no reason to believe
otherwise.
#Post#: 16689--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: Linda Lou Date: October 6, 2014, 10:09 pm
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Nobody....including officers...should be required to be bitten
by a dog before they can defend the self.
#Post#: 16691--------------------------------------------------
Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: trollslayer Date: October 6, 2014, 10:20 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1257.msg16689#msg16689
date=1412651368]
Nobody....including officers...should be required to be bitten
by a dog before they can defend the self.
[/quote]
According to some witness reports the officer in Ferguson was
struck by the man killed and was in the process of going back
and striking him again when he was gunned down. So I find
myself asking the question why is it ok to shoot an unarmed dog
that has the potential to hurt you but not an unarmed 290 pound
6 foot 4 inch man?
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Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: Linda Lou Date: October 6, 2014, 11:05 pm
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Some reports.....there's a lot of dispute as to what really
happened in Ferguson. Not so much in the dog/officer case.
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Re: The right to defend oneself.
By: rapids_60 Date: October 6, 2014, 11:17 pm
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[quote author=Linda Lou link=topic=1257.msg16689#msg16689
date=1412651368]
Nobody....including officers...should be required to be bitten
by a dog before they can defend the self.
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, I can pretty much guarantee if I
pulled my revolver and shot a dog who looked menacing but had
not actually attacked me- those same officers would escort me to
jail. I'd probably face a civil suit after that.
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